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Ma was nerfed again today. Now tickets are limited to 1500 per mish no mater what. Personally I think this is terrible and I won't be AE'ng it anymore unless it's a friend who wants me to check out their arc. No recipes, no salvage and now tiny ticket amounts have gone to far attempting to stop farming.
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Haha, "tiny ticket amounts"? Seriously?
A whole outdoor map of stock mobs, spawned on diff 4, might get up to 600 solo, including both defeats and mission bonus.
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I know of many maps that would give 3k tickets spawned for 1 on diff 5.
You are aware that many 'common' level 50 IO recipes sell for over 100k each at a VENDOR, right? I can get usually at least 3 simply cleaning off the ramparts in cimerora. total invested time: maybe 5 minutes.
6 bronze random rolls- you are LUCKY if you can pull off 100k for any of them, salvage-wise you are lucky if you can pull off 10k. total invested time- 30 minutes.
trust me, I have done many many many side-by-side comparisons. the 'average rewards' for MA missions are less than a quarter of what they are for 'regular content'
add in bouncing autolevels, some truly crappoy content, insanely tough and hard-hitting 'custom enemies' and the constant perceived threat of GM injunction, and the MA is quickly becoming the arena of the PvE crowd.
I know i won't touch it anymore, it's a waste of time.
It might just be me but...pre-nerf, the servers were loaded with players, even unavailable during peak hours. Now? Business as usual. I think the thrill is gone, and I predict the MA will only be used by a small portion of the playerbase going forward.
Since loot was introduced into the game, most players will not do something that doesn't give decent rewards, and MA does not do that any more.
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Wow! I agree with Frostweaver on something. Very well stated,Frost.
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Fine, just stop busting on my avatar. it is a long-standing joke from comicon because My player is NOT bouncy, and a bunch of 'bewbage' jokes were passed around for a few weeks afterwards.
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You are aware that many 'common' level 50 IO recipes sell for over 100k each at a VENDOR, right? I can get usually at least 3 simply cleaning off the ramparts in cimerora. total invested time: maybe 5 minutes.
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I'm not trying to make the argument that MA is the best way to make money in the game, here.
Man, I remember the old days where the most lucrative thing you could get was SOs and you never had enough money to buy the ones you needed, where I would die so much in missions and, for a change of pace, clear off the giant hunks of debt in the railyards in IP and on the northern islands of Talos and get what I thought was modestly rich. (This is back when things didn't run out of Burn, either.)
The point is - you do different things in the game depending on what you want. And you can easily make enough to keep yourself in SOs or common IOs in the MA.
You can't use MA to streetsweep or put yourself up against hordes of enemies like you can by going out into the big blue skybox and punching things, and that's still the best way to get stuff to sell if you're into that, or if you're into orange and purple names on all your enhancements.
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6 bronze random rolls- you are LUCKY if you can pull off 100k for any of them, salvage-wise you are lucky if you can pull off 10k. total invested time- 30 minutes.
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I can reliably pull a million-inf recipe out of 10 rolls on 30-34, with 100-200k on others. High enough to get Thunderstrike and Crushing Impact, low enough for some of the nice mid-card sets.
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trust me, I have done many many many side-by-side comparisons. the 'average rewards' for MA missions are less than a quarter of what they are for 'regular content'
add in bouncing autolevels, some truly crappoy content, insanely tough and hard-hitting 'custom enemies' and the constant perceived threat of GM injunction, and the MA is quickly becoming the arena of the PvE crowd.
I know i won't touch it anymore, it's a waste of time.
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You're not going to get any argument from me that pulling the random lever in MA is not gonna spit out crap, or that playing MA is a way to max-track your rewards.
But somebody who plays from level 1 inside just ticket-granting missions isn't going to be scraping up pennies like back in the day, when DOs at 15 and SOs at 25 were just pipe dreams.
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Ma was nerfed again today. Now tickets are limited to 1500 per mish no mater what. Personally I think this is terrible and I won't be AE'ng it anymore unless it's a friend who wants me to check out their arc. No recipes, no salvage and now tiny ticket amounts have gone to far attempting to stop farming.
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Haha, "tiny ticket amounts"? Seriously?
A whole outdoor map of stock mobs, spawned on diff 4, might get up to 600 solo, including both defeats and mission bonus.
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yeah, that is a tiny reward compared to a reg mish on same map which drops salvage and recipes. TINY.
Don't forget that salvage drops and recipe drops help pay for your toon's progress through the leveling process and MA now Doesn't keep pace. MA will now put you in a bigger hole when it comes time to pay for those enhancements and you don't have anywhere near the inf you used to doing reg mish's.
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Um, 600 tickets is 6 bronze rolls for "Pool A" recipes and 30 pieces of common salvage. Okay, there aren't any common IOs in that mix, and they can be modestly lucrative at high levels.
But I'm pretty sure that with the bronze rolls being weighted for sets people actually use, you can make a small fortune selling the damage/healing/defense/damres stuff you pick up, way more than you could get off autoselling common IOs.
I mean, I know I have. To say nothing of the lucrativeness of the low/midlevel common salvage market.
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So you are subjugating yourself to "bronze" worst of the worst?? Your idea is selling the cheapest things and that's fine, but I aim for higher rewards. Drops can be gold, silver or bronze in reg mish's and not just Bronze not just the worst ones out there. One gold classified drop in a reg mish could pay for more then your 6 bronze classified recipes combined and much more. So mindlessly walk through that door and more power to you for doing so, but I at least want to the opportunity to do better.
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So you are subjugating yourself to "bronze" worst of the worst?? Your idea is selling the cheapest things and that's fine, but I aim for higher rewards. Drops can be gold, silver or bronze in reg mish's and not just Bronze not just the worst ones out there. One gold classified drop in a reg mish could pay for more then your 6 bronze classified recipes combined and much more. So mindlessly walk through that door and more power to you for doing so, but I at least want to the opportunity to do better.
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Well, good luck getting a gold-class drop in a regular mission.
I think they might have a 1% chance of dropping from bosses? Maybe?
(they're the ones you get by rolling on a random TF/Trial drop with reward merits)
Bronze-class are pool A, enemy defeats.
Silver-class are a hybrid of the rares from pool A (which still show up in bronze, mind you) and pool B, mission completions. Though I don't remember there being a very big market for pool B recipes most times.
Gold-class are the former pools C and D, taskforce and trial rewards, fused.
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So you are subjugating yourself to "bronze" worst of the worst?? Your idea is selling the cheapest things and that's fine, but I aim for higher rewards. Drops can be gold, silver or bronze in reg mish's and not just Bronze not just the worst ones out there. One gold classified drop in a reg mish could pay for more then your 6 bronze classified recipes combined and much more. So mindlessly walk through that door and more power to you for doing so, but I at least want to the opportunity to do better.
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Well, good luck getting a gold-class drop in a regular mission.
I think they might have a 1% chance of dropping from bosses? Maybe?
(they're the ones you get by rolling on a random TF/Trial drop with reward merits)
Bronze-class are pool A, enemy defeats.
Silver-class are a hybrid of the rares from pool A (which still show up in bronze, mind you) and pool B, mission completions. Though I don't remember there being a very big market for pool B recipes most times.
Gold-class are the former pools C and D, taskforce and trial rewards, fused.
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Sounds like you are talking purple recipes. : D I think they are 1% chance. Ohh I'm sorry, you can't get purples in ma either. Silly me.
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My experience has been somewhat different. The MA has been and continues to be a good way to level up your characters at least to level 32, and it is far easier to keep those characters in current DO's and SO's using tickets than it is by collecting influence in the outside game. My older characters all needed cash infusions during the teens and twenties, and did not become self supporting until the thirties levels. My post-MA characters have all done well for themselves.
I have not sought out farm maps to level on, either. The characters grew by finding missions that looked interesting, not specifically for farming.
When you hit level 32 the balance seems to shift away from MA. That's when you can equip the level 35 IOs that are as good as white SO's, and you start looking to replace expiring SOs with permanent generic IOs and the sets that give helpful bonuses. MA falls behind because you can only roll for recipes, without being able to pick the ones you need: in that tickets are worse than merits, which can be saved for specific needs.
On the other hand, I am slowly converting the salvage storage in my SG from a repository of rare and uncommon salvage to common salvage. Rares and uncommons can always be made to order through MA. Common salvage is a roll. Since, at least during the farm craze weeks, common salvage was a field day for gougers at the market, buying it for inf is out of the question. But if I have the commons I need, I can acquire the rest and make any recipe I want.
The only difference now appears to be the lack of patrol XP bonuses in MA. And this, I don't really mind, since the bonus is not lost, just postponed.
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The RPers are still giddy about it, I have seen an increasing number of others that say "I dont do MA"
If posi doesnt want the filthy farmers and people that play to advance and improve their characters in his little baby, he has done a pretty good job of it. I know I dont want to be involved in any way in someones rp fantasies.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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So you are subjugating yourself to "bronze" worst of the worst?? Your idea is selling the cheapest things and that's fine, but I aim for higher rewards. Drops can be gold, silver or bronze in reg mish's and not just Bronze not just the worst ones out there. One gold classified drop in a reg mish could pay for more then your 6 bronze classified recipes combined and much more. So mindlessly walk through that door and more power to you for doing so, but I at least want to the opportunity to do better.
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Well, good luck getting a gold-class drop in a regular mission.
I think they might have a 1% chance of dropping from bosses? Maybe?
(they're the ones you get by rolling on a random TF/Trial drop with reward merits)
Bronze-class are pool A, enemy defeats.
Silver-class are a hybrid of the rares from pool A (which still show up in bronze, mind you) and pool B, mission completions. Though I don't remember there being a very big market for pool B recipes most times.
Gold-class are the former pools C and D, taskforce and trial rewards, fused.
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Sounds like you are talking purple recipes. : D I think they are 1% chance. Ohh I'm sorry, you can't get purples in ma either. Silly me.
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Nope. From the patch notes:
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Pools C (Task/Strike Force) and D (Trials) have been combined into one pool with drops weighted for usefulness. Recipes in IO Sets that are used by more powersets have a proportionally higher chance to drop than others. The Merit Vendor no longer has separate rolls for Pool C and D. They are combined and weighted. Additionally, Boss, Elite Boss, and Arch Villain ranked critters now have a very rare chance to drop a recipe from this combined and weighed C+D Pool.
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Purple pool for levels other than 50? Mmmmmmaybe?
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I'm not trying to make the argument that MA is the best way to make money in the game, here.
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I made 40 million off selling bronze level 35-39 rolls (70 tickets each) from running just a few MA arcs. Might not be the best but it's certainly not the worst. Just sayin. 
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My experience has been somewhat different. The MA has been and continues to be a good way to level up your characters at least to level 32, and it is far easier to keep those characters in current DO's and SO's using tickets than it is by collecting influence in the outside game. My older characters all needed cash infusions during the teens and twenties, and did not become self supporting until the thirties levels. My post-MA characters have all done well for themselves.
I have not sought out farm maps to level on, either. The characters grew by finding missions that looked interesting, not specifically for farming.
When you hit level 32 the balance seems to shift away from MA. That's when you can equip the level 35 IOs that are as good as white SO's, and you start looking to replace expiring SOs with permanent generic IOs and the sets that give helpful bonuses. MA falls behind because you can only roll for recipes, without being able to pick the ones you need: in that tickets are worse than merits, which can be saved for specific needs.
On the other hand, I am slowly converting the salvage storage in my SG from a repository of rare and uncommon salvage to common salvage. Rares and uncommons can always be made to order through MA. Common salvage is a roll. Since, at least during the farm craze weeks, common salvage was a field day for gougers at the market, buying it for inf is out of the question. But if I have the commons I need, I can acquire the rest and make any recipe I want.
The only difference now appears to be the lack of patrol XP bonuses in MA. And this, I don't really mind, since the bonus is not lost, just postponed.
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You bring up a good point about the earlier levels and I would lean towards agreeing with you on it. The later levels is more along the path I've been speaking. Probably for 32 on. Maybe a bit sooner say 27 or so. Anyway, I doubt anything will change and we will most likely see more nerfs come down the pike as attacks against farming continue instead of attacking the actual farmers. Maybe if my friends keep getting me to play their AE arcs my bitterness towards the nerfing of AE tickets will subside. Maybe.
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I see what you did there...
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I'm not trying to make the argument that MA is the best way to make money in the game, here.
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I made 40 million off selling bronze level 35-39 rolls (70 tickets each) from running just a few MA arcs. Might not be the best but it's certainly not the worst. Just sayin.
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No kidding. I think people are discounting how much money you can save using the MA tickets. I haven't paid out of pocket for an uncommon or rare piece of salvage for a recipe I want to make in weeks. So for 550 tickets I can save 500,000 to over 1,000,000 Infamy and that just doesn't get old.
I've gotten my Dark/Shield Brute from around 35 to 47 since MA came out and he's up to around 35% melee defense from IO bonuses. He's played MA almost exclusively (I did each of the Mayhems, Westin Phipps, and am finishing up my Patron Arc) since it released and he's paid for almost everything himself. Now, I was doing better when the farming was going on and the recipes I wanted were dirt cheap, but I'm still doing pretty damn well buying a recipe every so often and paying literally nothing for the salvage to make it.
And Captain Amazing (or whatever it was), don't avoid content in the fear that a dev will smack you around for doing something that is perfectly legal. If Paragon Studios pulls a SWG on us, then it isn't time to go "Oh thank goodness I didn't play the game in the way I was told was perfectly legal and avoided getting banned unfairly." If that happens then it's time to cancel your subscription.
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Wasn't a nerf at all for regular play (none- power gaming/leveling). As such, I'm still playing new missions, and putting my tickets into the market.
having fun just fine, thanks.
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I made 40 million off selling bronze level 35-39 rolls (70 tickets each) from running just a few MA arcs. Might not be the best but it's certainly not the worst. Just sayin.
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How many rolls was that?
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I see what you did there...
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you would
I made a story-arc, and it earns tickets for me when I'm offline... but it's not enough... I want 100 tickets for every star my story-arc earns, 5 tickets per star isn't enough! 
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
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How many rolls was that?
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I don't know the exact number but probably around 1500 tickets. Not hard to collect, even post nerf. Granted one recipe sold for over 10 mill but a good number ranged from 500k to over 1 mill each.
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I made a story-arc, and it earns tickets for me when I'm offline... but it's not enough... I want 100 tickets for every star my story-arc earns, 5 tickets per star isn't enough!
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This would be great if people didn't one star every new five star map that hits the front page.
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Ma was nerfed again today. Now tickets are limited to 1500 per mish no mater what. Personally I think this is terrible and I won't be AE'ng it anymore unless it's a friend who wants me to check out their arc. No recipes, no salvage and now tiny ticket amounts have gone to far attempting to stop farming.
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Haha, "tiny ticket amounts"? Seriously?
A whole outdoor map of stock mobs, spawned on diff 4, might get up to 600 solo, including both defeats and mission bonus.
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yeah, that is a tiny reward compared to a reg mish on same map which drops salvage and recipes. TINY.
Don't forget that salvage drops and recipe drops help pay for your toon's progress through the leveling process and MA now Doesn't keep pace. MA will now put you in a bigger hole when it comes time to pay for those enhancements and you don't have anywhere near the inf you used to doing reg mish's.
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Um, 600 tickets is 6 bronze rolls for "Pool A" recipes and 30 pieces of common salvage. Okay, there aren't any common IOs in that mix, and they can be modestly lucrative at high levels.
But I'm pretty sure that with the bronze rolls being weighted for sets people actually use, you can make a small fortune selling the damage/healing/defense/damres stuff you pick up, way more than you could get off autoselling common IOs.
I mean, I know I have. To say nothing of the lucrativeness of the low/midlevel common salvage market.
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