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Good point, Geek_Boy. Not only that, but the MA buildings in some zones are really hopping; hardly brought down.
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Correction: the MA buildings in Freedom's Atlas 1 and Atlas 2 are "really hopping." Elsewhere they are ghost-towns. Both in Freedom's other zones [with the possible occasional exception of the Talos MA.. that has a few people in there at peak times] and on other servers that I have visited.
Especially redside. Complete and total ghost-towns.
Sounds like a "success" to me.... success at running everyone off, that is. I wouldn't call scaring everyone out of using The New Shiny all that much of a success for the game, but obviously I know nothing.
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So now that those problems have almost brought down the system
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What does that even mean?
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What it means is I was thinking entirely of the social system -- the badges, the Dev Choice player recommendations, all the stuff that's crashed because of the farming. I wasn't remarking on the technical system since, as you say, I don't have the information on that other than hearing some people had some problems since the patch, which doesn't seem game-breaking.
Sorry for the confusion; I should have been more specific about what I meant by "system."
I've been playing CoH since beta and I don't think I've seen anything divide and piss off the community (in-game, on this forum, on other forums, etc.) this badly since ED. And this seems worse to me because it was largely due to problems that were known about before the issue went live, as opposed to the vision of a designer that some players didn't agree with.
Gotcha. I don't really agree with you since I still see plenty of that, but okay.
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I've been playing CoH since beta and I don't think I've seen anything divide and piss off the community (in-game, on this forum, on other forums, etc.) this badly since ED. And this seems worse to me because it was largely due to problems that were known about before the issue went live, as opposed to the vision of a designer that some players didn't agree with.
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Really, it's some whiny babies. 99.99999999999% of the playerbase was unaffected by Positron's hammer coming down, but oh my gawd what if it could have happened to them!? Then again, most of the changes people have complained about have been that way and ended up being for the best, too. ED was hard to swallow for basically everyone, but I've seen no evidence that Positron saying "no no no" on the forums has actually done much of anything in the general populace in-game.
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Good point, Geek_Boy. Not only that, but the MA buildings in some zones are really hopping; hardly brought down.
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Correction: the MA buildings in Freedom's Atlas 1 and Atlas 2 are "really hopping." Elsewhere they are ghost-towns. Both in Freedom's other zones [with the possible occasional exception of the Talos MA.. that has a few people in there at peak times] and on other servers that I have visited.
Especially redside. Complete and total ghost-towns.
Sounds like a "success" to me.... success at running everyone off, that is. I wouldn't call scaring everyone out of using The New Shiny all that much of a success for the game, but obviously I know nothing.
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Hmm, I don't play on Freedom much. In Atlas primarily on just about every server I see many people playing.
Considering the thousands of arcs, many of which have hundreds of ratings, etc., the rumors of the MA's demise are greatly exaggerated.
There is no crisis, except to the relative handful of forum dwellers who like to propagate FUD. Most of the people upset with the "situation" are not upset with what Positron actually said, but by the FUD spread by others claiming he said/did even more.
Forums are very entertaining. 
Freedom Atlas and Cap are full especially during peak hours daily.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Good point, Geek_Boy. Not only that, but the MA buildings in some zones are really hopping; hardly brought down.
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Correction: the MA buildings in Freedom's Atlas 1 and Atlas 2 are "really hopping." Elsewhere they are ghost-towns. Both in Freedom's other zones [with the possible occasional exception of the Talos MA.. that has a few people in there at peak times] and on other servers that I have visited.
Especially redside. Complete and total ghost-towns.
Sounds like a "success" to me.... success at running everyone off, that is. I wouldn't call scaring everyone out of using The New Shiny all that much of a success for the game, but obviously I know nothing.
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Yep, cause only Atlas on Freedom is full of people standing around the MA and looking for farms. St. Martial on Champion on the other hand, has one or two people standing in front of the terminals, and a steady trickle of people going in and out of the big glowy thing. You know, actually USING the MA.
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Really, it's some whiny babies. 99.99999999999% of the playerbase was unaffected by Positron's hammer coming down, but oh my gawd what if it could have happened to them!?
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I wasn't disciplined. But yet I do feel affected because people I know were. I'm sorry you feel that if it doesn't affect you that those it does affect must be babies.
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It's really quite simple.
* If you were disciplined but were innocent, take it up with CS. Request a supervisor. PM Mod08 directly, or the other CS reps on the forums. Ask them to review your play records, logs et cetera. Don't [censored] about it on the forums, because A) it's against the rules to discuss specific CS activities on the forums and B) the CS reps you need to talk to probably don't read them, EXCEPT for Niv, Mod08, and Avatea. And the people that DO read the forums are not going to have GodMode-Level SearchFu macros to find your posts, so the odds are slim to none that they will see them. PMs, they WILL see.
* If you were disciplined and guilty of the infraction CS smacked you for, take your lumps, and stop [censored] about things being 'unfair'. Things were oh-so-fair before when the AE was getting gamed to your advantage, now that the pendulum has swung the other way, it's STILL fair, you're just on the thin end this time.
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I wasn't disciplined. But yet I do feel affected because people I know were. I'm sorry you feel that if it doesn't affect you that those it does affect must be babies.
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If you know people who were disciplined, then you have to know that they really egregiously broke the rules. I know people who farmed what seemed to be 24/7 for that week and not a singly solitary unit of XP was taken from them. So these people you're claiming to know (which I think are mostly mythical since everyone seems to know somebody, yet nobody knows anybody) must have really, really deserved it.
So yeah, I'm sticking with the whiny babies. If one of those folks I know who just looooooved the farming were to come to me to whine about losing some XP or being probated or whatever, I'd just tell them to suck it up.
But of course none of these folks did get in any trouble since they were (as Positron stated in the first place) only going after the people who were really going insane with it.
The web that was cast was overinclusive, maybe it was underinclusive as well.
In response to Soul Train, I'm not sure if you noticed that I stated that I wasn't disciplined, or if your suggestions were for me to pass on to my friends. Either way, I am just stating that I disagree with how the Devs have handled this.
The original post inquired about the mood on MA. My mood has soured.
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What? You don't get to play it both ways. Either they only went after people who really, really egregiously broke the rules or they went after every Tom, Dick, and Harry that entered a mission filled with Rikti Comm Officers. Which is it?
Since I know plenty of folks that spent the whole week in there (now, they switched from character to character most of the that time) and nothing happened to them, it's probably the former. If that's the case, then you know people who were disciplined and deserved it. This elicits no sympathy from me whatsoever.
I'm not looking for your sympathy.
What if, for example, someone had a level pacted toon that sat idle while the other half of the level pacted toon played for several months.
Then the idle level pacted toon logs in and levels up very quickly. Should that character be subject to discipline?
And are you saying that your friends got multiple characters many levels by exploits but avoided discipline by not getting to 50 during the frenzy? It sounds that way.
If your friends found themselves subject to discipline next week, would you be upset?
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I'm not looking for your sympathy.
What if, for example, someone had a level pacted toon that sat idle while the other half of the level pacted toon played for several months.
Then the idle level pacted toon logs in and levels up very quickly. Should that character be subject to discipline?
And are you saying that your friends got multiple characters many levels by exploits but avoided discipline by not getting to 50 during the frenzy? It sounds that way.
If your friends found themselves subject to discipline next week, would you be upset?
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No, I would not. They made their very obviously lousy bed, they can lie in it.
They won't be though, because they're only targeting certain people who did crazy stupid things.
If your character was level pacted and you didn't know what was happening, contact CS. They can open a ticket, maybe de-level it if something inappropriate happened, maybe clear you of any and all charges and remove any disciplinary action, and you can be on your way.
As I stated, I have not been disciplined in anyway.
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Apples and oranges. We're not talking about level pacting, we're talking about MA.
Seems to me the only ones *really* crying are the ones who abused the system into the ground. Writing arcs that would PL a newbie in an afternoon. Running "click a gross of glowies" missions until their butt goes numb just to get another "big number" badge that requires virtually no real skill or strategy.
The MA should be for the players to show off their creativity and storytelling skills. Instead, a few turned it into a level and badge factory with no real "content" in those missions. I have no sympathy to those screaming because that's been taken away.
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I won't say that I didn't set foot in a meow mission, because that would be a lie. But I did find it terribly boring and left.
I did run other missions that contained only bosses or only lts that gave very big rewards, but I was not hovering from safety. I was fighting melee characters in melee and getting great rewards.
Not all my characters can do that, but some of my sturdier ones can. I didn't find it much different than running a Dreck map or the demon map that so many people have used to farm.
I just think they should close the loopholes and not punish people for doing what the MA allowed them to do. If there's some kind of hack or coding invovled, then yes, punish them.
You state that the MA should be for "players to show off their creativity and storytelling skills." Fine, I agree with that. But I don't agree that that is the only thing that can be or should be done with it. I don't mind the ocassional vanity arc, or challenge arc, or farm arc. I think there is room for all of it.
But hey, it's the Devs game and they can decide what they want it to be. If they think it should only be for story telling and creativity then they did a terrible job putting out what they did.
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Room for a farm arc? Why? Just to get gobs of whatever with little to no risk? Play the damn game already. Farming isn't playing, it's City of Veruca Salts crying, "don't care how, I want it NOW!"
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Considering I still play the game and still farm in MA, after having already gotten three fifties, at least four low to mid fourties, why do you care what I do?
Does my having fun impact you in any way, nope not at all.
Don't be concerned with others do or think.
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Farming is not playing.
Hmmmm, lemme see, it took me more time to learn dual boxing correctly, and farm HI risk ratio mobs,
than solo/grind four 50's throughout the whole 'real content'.
(Meanning, instead of adressing the farmers, witch are not that numerous,-at least good ones- adress the farmees.)
Besides, there 's nothing i want 'NOW', i got it all allready.
My mood about MA i explainained many times, and the only abuses i've seen are not adressed.
Til then, i ll go on logging my multi accounts, put them all on hide, farm exclusively myself,
and wait till CO is released.
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Considering I still play the game and still farm in MA, after having already gotten three fifties, at least four low to mid fourties, why do you care what I do?
Does my having fun impact you in any way, nope not at all.
Don't be concerned with others do or think.
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Why do I care? Because it's the farmers crying the most when they were called out for it. Because they won't shut up about it and how it's killed the entire game for everyone. Because they deserved what they got.
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Room for a farm arc? Why? Just to get gobs of whatever with little to no risk? Play the damn game already. Farming isn't playing, it's City of Veruca Salts crying, "don't care how, I want it NOW!"
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Do you think battling large mobs of lts or bosses is no risk?
I do play the game and I have for almost 5 years. I probably play too much. I was excited by the prospect that the MA provided to do something different, something challenging.
But recent events have soured me on MA.
If you disagree, that's fine. Does it threaten you in some way that I post my opinion?
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Good point, Geek_Boy. Not only that, but the MA buildings in some zones are really hopping; hardly brought down.
For some time, my arc sat at 13 plays; over the last two days, I got 23 more plays, pretty rapid fire. And I've played a lot of good arcs. It's great fun.