City of Heroes Going Rogue - FAQ - Discussion
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7thCynic,
Posted on: 2009-05-12 08:06 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I wonder if Epic ATs would be able to switch sides.
Warshades being villains, peacebringers being villains?
And the Arachnos EATs going rogue.
My Warshade is one who must switch sides.
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Seeing as how warshades are already evil nictus who became good, that would be a lot of side-switching for them.
Actually, that brings to mind something else. Can we switch sides more than once? Can we start as a hero, become a villain for awhile, and finish up as a hero?
In any case, this sounds freakin' awesome and I can't wait.
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4) *laughs* I'll take my tank over ANY Brute in the game, period, and she can probably take 90% of them easily.
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I'd take that challenge in a second. Plus, I think I'd really enjoy KoB'ing my fist down your throat. Something tells me it would give me that warm tingly feeling.
:-)
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Two of us have KO Blow...*smirks* I may have to take you up on that on test sometime...
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
Well built brute > Well built tank.
Granite tankers: Obselete
Well IO'd shield brute > Well IO'd shield tank. What is 10 % more res gonna do for ya?
Do I really need to tell you that I also am "totally stoked" and so are all my friends. This is one of those comic book plotline standards we've been hoping for and discussing outside the forums since CoV was first announced. 
I'd say I can't wait, but the truth is that I can wait as long as it takes to get it "right."
(Now all I'll need is more than 36 toons per server and more than 5 suits per toon. So many alts, so little time.) 
I'm not reading all these pages so it may have been mentioned before. But I can see the "marketers" going back and forth between sides buying/selling stuff. Some things are high selling on red side but worthless on blue and vice versa.
They may as well kill the inability to let heroes and villains trade in co-op areas because it will be effectively killed anyway.
And that thing someone posted about Posi saying they couldn't do power customization while at Cryptic. PRICELESS since word has it Champions Online will be doing it. So did the Cryptic crew basically say "Get your hands out of our pockets"?
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I wonder if Epic ATs would be able to switch sides.
Warshades being villains, peacebringers being villains?
And the Arachnos EATs going rogue.
My Warshade is one who must switch sides.
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I AM NICTUS!!!!!!! MAH HA HA HA HA HA
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Seems like a bit of a cop out as far as side switching goes.
So we can go there and be "bad" but we come back to our universe and are still "good" if we're a hero?
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That's what I'm afraid of, that the side-switching will take place in a limited area. Still no way for a Villain to go and hang out in the *real* Paragon City, the place where all the people playing heroes are.
US: @Gearheader (EU: @Gearhead EU)
Thank you! thank you! thank you! Castle or Posi or BAB or whoever at Paragon Studios restored the abilities of pets to talk and emote!
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I hope we can get some more server slots with this expansion. Yes I know we have 36, but some of us even have those all filled up.
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Amen! Testify brother, i have 36 slots and all are full and all 30+ n lvl on freedom. I cant delete my toons to make room!! What am I gonna do? 
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Well built brute > Well built tank.
Granite tankers: Obselete
Well IO'd shield brute > Well IO'd shield tank. What is 10 % more res gonna do for ya?
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I guess it's all a matter of weather I believe "well built" and "brute" can go in the same sentence and not be mutually exclusive. (hint: I don't) I've played them myself, they're good for what they are, but they can't do a tank's job as well as a tank, and in MOST cases, excepting a full fury bar, my tank does more damage as well, unless they sacrificed defense/resistance to get it, at which point they're going to crumple anyway. Again, that's just been my experience. I don't PvP much, if at all, as I live on Virtue, but I've always done just fine when I have, both before and after i13, mostly in Siren's Call.
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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Seems like a bit of a cop out as far as side switching goes.
So we can go there and be "bad" but we come back to our universe and are still "good" if we're a hero?
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That's what I'm afraid of, that the side-switching will take place in a limited area. Still no way for a Villain to go and hang out in the *real* Paragon City, the place where all the people playing heroes are.
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Have you been reading the same press release the rest of us have? did you read the short interview at MMORPG.COM with Posi? He specifically said it was true side-switching. I'm still confused how so many people feel it'll be temporary..
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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Seems like a bit of a cop out as far as side switching goes.
So we can go there and be "bad" but we come back to our universe and are still "good" if we're a hero?
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That's what I'm afraid of, that the side-switching will take place in a limited area. Still no way for a Villain to go and hang out in the *real* Paragon City, the place where all the people playing heroes are.
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didnt it say a Vill could switch and now be able to explore Paragon City and vice versa?
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded...
"The potato goes in the FRONT."
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Seems like a bit of a cop out as far as side switching goes.
So we can go there and be "bad" but we come back to our universe and are still "good" if we're a hero?
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That's what I'm afraid of, that the side-switching will take place in a limited area. Still no way for a Villain to go and hang out in the *real* Paragon City, the place where all the people playing heroes are.
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Have you been reading the same press release the rest of us have? did you read the short interview at MMORPG.COM with Posi? He specifically said it was true side-switching. I'm still confused how so many people feel it'll be temporary..
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Since so many people seem to be confused, here is the actual quote from the original email:
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City of Heroes Going Rogue officially opens the "mirror universe" of Praetoria and an all-new alignment system that explores the shades of gray that lie between Heroes and Villains. For the first time, Hero characters can become Villains and vice versa, enabling Heroes to cross over to the Rogue Isles and Villains to experience Paragon City.
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Emphasis mine. They couldn't have made it any more clear and people still think that side switching is only for Praetoria.
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
OMG OMG OMG!!!!!! My masterminds will be able to go blue!!! I, I, *tears in his eyes* I knew the developers really liked us..JOY!!! Endless unbridled JOY!!!
Lets just hope it doesnt take a year, I may be dead by then from various unhealthy living habits
Okay, I am not sure if this has been question has been answered yet, but:
Seeing as the new AE box is a WIN/MAC hybrid DVD and that all downloaded updates for the game are now for Windows and Mac OS X, can I assume that Going Rouge will go the same route (Windows and Mac on the same disc, or at least released at the same time)?
Characters I am Currently Working on:
Corcra Dragan - MA/Regen Scrapper (Hero) - Virtue
Chronian Phoenix - Time/Fire Defender (Hero) - Virtue
Mindzeye - Psy/MM Blaster (Hero) - Virtue
Valence Vixen - Elec/Elec Stalker (Villain) - Virtue
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Okay, I am not sure if this has been question has been answered yet, but:
Seeing as the new AE box is a WIN/MAC hybrid DVD and that all downloaded updates for the game are now for Windows and Mac OS X, can I assume that Going Rouge will go the same route (Windows and Mac on the same disc, or at least released at the same time)?
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The Mac version is a client wrapper, a client that is exactly the same for both. At the very least, you'll be able to buy the upgrade code for your account and just keep on rolling. Though, it would be nice to see some CoR Mac boxes on the shelves, too.
EDIT: Ghost Falcon says yes.
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MMORPG.com: Will what your character does in the parallel universe affect the character in the "real" universe, or are the two separate?
From the mmorpg interview:
MMORPG.com: Will what your character does in the parallel universe affect the character in the "real" universe, or are the two separate?
Matt Miller: The two universes are separate, but joined. What your character does in one only truly affects that one, but that can have repercussions across both worlds.
Ok Im still confused, can you really switch sides or just in mirror universe? If my mastermind can switch sides and go to paragon, but wait is paragon city in alternate universe good or ruled by tyrant? SO really good side becomes rogue isles,,, EEGGGHHHHAAARRGGHHh iM so confused!!!!
I know this is just a discussion about the "FAQ", but there are some issues that I want to put out there before this thing gets too far into development (knowing full well that it has gone quite a way already)
Here are the things that I definitely don't want to see :: <ul type="square">[*]SG High-Leader switching sides and taking the base with them.[*]Characters that go "rogue" still having access to their sg and sg base.[*]The Markets merging[*]Influence and Infamy just turning into inf. Influence is for heroic deeds, and Infamy is for dasdardly ones. Therefore, when the side switch happens, the infl or infa is lost. Time to start to build your rep from scratch.[*]The Markets, Vaults, and sg bases of the other dimension being connected to the Markets, Vaults, and sg bases of CoH or CoV[*]Players that go "rogue" still having access to their stuff in the Vault. A friend pointed out that the villains can already use the hero Vault in the Pocket D and vice-versa; however, it some how seems wrong to me that the side-switching wouldn't effect the "legality " (for lack of a better term) for giving items to a hero that was once a villain or vice-versa. So at least the Pocket D issue should be addressed.[*]How will this effect teaming? How much will this cause players to need to quit teams to keep their alignment where it is? The basic game gives you two variables - on a hero team and on a villain team. Some extended cotent adds a third - hero/villian team. This will add additional option for each giving six options - Hero-hero, hero- to villlain, Villain-Villian, Villlian- to hero, Hero/Villian - to hero, Hero/Villain- to villan. I think it will make teams harder to get and to recruit for. [*]A gray area where characters get access to both hero and villain stuff. [/list]
I know that some players are looking for the option of side switching/Fable-type game play.
I know that the DCUO will have this as part of it's game mechanics. (Characters start neutral - last thing I read...)
Champs will not have this option as it won't even have the ability to make villains (at least at the start).
I don't want to oppose something that they want that will give the game more playability and extend the life-time of the game. I'm assuming most of the cross over will happen in the other dimension and the mechanics of it won't come into play in CoH or CoV; that is to say, all the good/evil alignment-tilting missions will be there and that is where your alignment would change.
Basically, I'll sum it up with a tv ad slogan "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".
For clarification that means, whatever you do in that alternate dimension just influences that dimension - market, sg/vg's/vault, etc. as it is an "alternate" dimension and not the same dimension. If you change sides, you lose everything except for what you have slotted and are carrying in trays (I'm not saying that players will have to start again at level 1 on the other-side once they go Rogue, but that may very well be the case...[that's not a troll, but I know it's going to start up some discussion. I'm putting it in because I just thought about it and who knows what's in the DEVs minds, and this is a pre-preemptive strike of sorts.]
I could rant more, but that would be just more ranting...time to stop .... for now.
And they said I was beating A dead horse on the forums. This is everything I want in this game (that, and for more roleplaying on freedom)
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MMORPG.com: Will what your character does in the parallel universe affect the character in the "real" universe, or are the two separate?
From the mmorpg interview:
MMORPG.com: Will what your character does in the parallel universe affect the character in the "real" universe, or are the two separate?
Matt Miller: The two universes are separate, but joined. What your character does in one only truly affects that one, but that can have repercussions across both worlds.
Ok Im still confused, can you really switch sides or just in mirror universe? If my mastermind can switch sides and go to paragon, but wait is paragon city in alternate universe good or ruled by tyrant? SO really good side becomes rogue isles,,, EEGGGHHHHAAARRGGHHh iM so confused!!!!
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Let me break this down. When GR hits, there will be three Cities: Paragon City, Rogue Isles, and Praetoria.
Paragon is Hero only, RI is Villain only, and Praetoria is accessible to everyone. While in Praetoria, you can do stuff that will affect your alignment. If a Hero does enough Bad stuff, he will lose access to Paragon City and only be able to access the Rogue Isles. The same goes for a Villain with the locations reversed, obviously.
Does this help?
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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MMORPG.com: Will what your character does in the parallel universe affect the character in the "real" universe, or are the two separate?
From the mmorpg interview:
MMORPG.com: Will what your character does in the parallel universe affect the character in the "real" universe, or are the two separate?
Matt Miller: The two universes are separate, but joined. What your character does in one only truly affects that one, but that can have repercussions across both worlds.
Ok Im still confused, can you really switch sides or just in mirror universe? If my mastermind can switch sides and go to paragon, but wait is paragon city in alternate universe good or ruled by tyrant? SO really good side becomes rogue isles,,, EEGGGHHHHAAARRGGHHh iM so confused!!!!
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Let me break this down. When GR hits, there will be three Cities: Paragon City, Rogue Isles, and Praetoria.
Paragon is Hero only, RI is Villain only, and Praetoria is accessible to everyone. While in Praetoria, you can do stuff that will affect your alignment. If a Hero does enough Bad stuff, he will lose access to Paragon City and only be able to access the Rogue Isles. The same goes for a Villain with the locations reversed, obviously.
Does this help?
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That's a great explanation that should be inserted into the FAQ.
I knew that, but I like how you spelled it out nicely and neatly.
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I hope we can get some more server slots with this expansion. Yes I know we have 36, but some of us even have those all filled up.
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Amen! Testify brother, i have 36 slots and all are full and all 30+ n lvl on freedom. I cant delete my toons to make room!! What am I gonna do?
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That's a question I'd like to see answered. When CoV launched it gave us 4 additional slots per server. Will CoR bring us more slots as well?
I am hoping that with this changing sides the entire game does not become a pvp. If so, I quit.
It won't. Paragon City and RI will remain the same, except with ATs from the opposite side running around, and there's no way they'll make Praetoria an Open PvP area.
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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There's no way they'll make Praetoria an Open PvP area.
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Especially since with the moral shades of grey in Rogue, there would be no "teams". It would have to be free-for-all open PvP, like Warburg. I can already hear the PvP crowd screaming that they HAVE to do this for the expansion or the game will DIE FOR SURE THIS TIME, but somehow I don't see it.
Curious how this will work with Epic Archetypes for Villain and Hero. When you reach level 50 will all 4 Epic AT be available? I havent reached 50 on any toons yet and Im wondering how all this takes into play. Also curious if Epic Archetypes will be allowed to switch sides as well. Would love to have a Kheld on red side.