Details About Mac Version & Perks
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Posted on: 2009-01-07 17:47 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Wait...what?
You would have had to travel the second route anyway. How does that subtract from the time you saved from the first mission?
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Wait...what?
You would have had to travel the second route anyway. How does that subtract from the time you saved from the first mission?
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Fine, don't subtract it. Either way, you still only save 5.5 minutes or so every 120. I don't find that very useful. In most cases, you'd be already in IP anyway if you were running missions there.
All of this is moot anyway, PlayNC will almost certainly leave it as is, obviously they felt it was appropriate where it is, which it is, though the practicality of the power is somewhat diminished by the unusually long recharge.
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It's not something that's going to get you to every single mission. It's not designed for that.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone asking for it to recharge in 5 minutes or for every mission.
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It's designed for the times you have to go from the far corner of Dark Astoria to the far end of IP. Or the times you can't find the mission in the underground tunnels of Faultline/Brickstown.
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And just how often do we find ourselves in this position? I don't know about you but I see this happening quite a bit.
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This isn't to say a lower time wouldn't be nice...but I really don't see it happening.
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Yeah, it would be nice, but since its not, I don't see me paying out any money for it either. This power's recharge should have shared the same recharge timer are the Vet Power Assemble the Team or the Base Teleporter. Not the timer it has now.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone asking for it to recharge in 5 minutes or for every mission.
[/ QUOTE ]If you look at the post I was responding to, you'll see exactly that.
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Well thats not how it was originally advertised to us. My thinking on this was that it would be a perk that can be used to to tp you to every mission. I was thinking it would have like a 5 minute recharge or something.
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Yeah, it would be nice, but since its not, I don't see me paying out any money for it either.
[/ QUOTE ]*shrug* And that's your option. There are some really nice costume parts that come with the pack too, though, yaknow.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone asking for it to recharge in 5 minutes or for every mission.
[/ QUOTE ]If you look at the quote I was responding to, you'll see exactly that.
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Well thats not how it was originally advertised to us. My thinking on this was that it would be a perk that can be used to to tp you to every mission. I was thinking it would have like a 5 minute recharge or something.
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Yeah, it would be nice, but since its not, I don't see me paying out any money for it either.
[/ QUOTE ]*shrug* And that's your option. There are some really nice costume parts that come with the pack too, though, yaknow.
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Providing you are a costume junkie, sure its great. But for those of us who could care less about sporting the same costume around as about 500 other people on the server, I would like ot spend my money on the temp power. And with the way the timer is set now, NCNC will not get any extra money from me.
And I would assume quite a few others won't either. The timer needs to be shortened to get me to pay for it.
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Yeah, it would be nice, but since its not, I don't see me paying out any money for it either.
[/ QUOTE ]*shrug* And that's your option. There are some really nice costume parts that come with the pack too, though, yaknow.
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Indeed..the costume pieces are the main reason I bought the pack, though I was surprised when I saw a 2 hour cooldown on the power.
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[u]Mission Door TPer Recharge is Too Long[u]
Ouroboros Portal; earnable in-game; level 25 minimum; connecting 5-6 zones; 5 minute recharge, can be shortened by global recharge.
Base Portal; 24 month Veteran Reward; level 3 minimum; theoretically connecting up to 24 zones; 30 minute recharge, can be shortened by global recharge.
Pocket D TPer; GvE purchasable; level 3 minimum; connecting 4-5 zones; 30 minute recharge can be shortened by global recharge.
Summon Teammates; earnable in-game level 20-25 Mayhem/Safeguard; tps teammates in zone to caster; lasts 24 hour in-game time; 5 minute recharge, can be shortened by global recharge.
Assemble the Team; 42 month Veteran Reward; level 1 minimum; TPs teammates in zone to caster; 30 minute recharge which can not be shortened by global recharge.
Mission Teleporter; Mac Edition purchasable; level ? minimum; TP directly to mission door; 120 minute recharge which (can or can not) be shortened by global recharge.
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Clearly this new power is an outlier compared to similar powers. The other purchasable power, the Pocket D TPer can sometimes refresh in less than 15 minutes while this purchasable power, while more useful since it goes to your final destination, instead of a hub, is 120 minutes.
The Base Portal can be a hub to 24 zones and recharge in 15 minutes.
If the Mission Door TPer's recharge is reducible with global recharge, I could possible see letting it stand at 120 minutes, since so many players go for recharge. But it's much more fairer if it were on a 60 minute irreducible timer.
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OK, but compare it to how effective it is. I'm in Atlas Park, I have a mission in Brickstown on the far side of the zig from the hospital. (I won't make it one of the underground doors).
Ouroboros portal...go to ouroboros, go to founder's fall, tram to bricks, travel across bricks to mission
Base Portal...zone to base, find bricks teleporter, if you have one go to bricks and travel across bricks to mission. If not, port to IP or Talos (the beacon locations are reasonably close to the tram), tram to bricks, travel across bricks to the mission
Pocket D Teleporter - zone to Pocket D, leave tikibar, make your way across the pocket D to the hero elevator, find the founders falls exit, zone to Bricks, travel across bricks to get to the mission
(Summon Teammates and Assemble the Team and Recall Friend require someone to get to the mission point and not directly comparable.)
In terms of time saving, you only zone once (as opposed to a minimum of two with the others) and no need to travel across the zone. And if you're a stranger in a strange land (a level 20 scrapper sidekicked into a level 40 team), avoiding traveling across the zone can definitely ease the risks).
And that's just going across bricks to an easy-to-find door. Now make it a mission in the Storm Palace, or make it a mission in one of the %@#$# hidden doors that you KNOW is around here somewhere, you've been at this door before and it's supposed to be here so where the ^#$@! is it?
Would I object if it was reduced to an hour? Nope. But those who are thinking it should have the same recharge as a base teleporter are smoking something. There's already complaints about the game becoming dependent on microtransactions, so any "must-have" purchasable power would cause a lot of problems. That's why the self-destruct power doesn't do the same damage as a blaster nova and why the mission teleporter isn't an every-mission or every-other-mission power.
BTW, for your form, the mission door teleporter is only available at level 3 (same reasons as base and pocket D porters) and is not affected by +recharge powers.
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You know, I was just thinking. If this power's recharge was a lot less than what it is now. We would probably see a lot more people in the Shadow Shard.
Just a thought, cuz I know how the devs like us to play the "content" they make. This power would entice more people to use the zone.
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Well thats not how it was originally advertised to us.
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A five minute cooldown would be insanely overpowered. That's up every single mission. If you can't see the problem with that...well, then I wouldn't really be that surprised. But most people would.
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Agreed. 2 hours is way too much for a power like this. Even 30 minutes would be kinda pushing it, but it would be acceptable. 2 hours renders it a basically useless power.
[/ QUOTE ]...how does that make it useless? Just because you can't use it for every single mission doesn't make the times you can use it be very nice. Like bypassing the 2-mile trip to the far corner of IP.
[/ QUOTE ]Considering that they made travel power now irrelavent in this game I dont see how its unreasonable for this power to have a 5 minute recharge. We already get infinite jet packs for free travel powers, we get teleporters to almost all zones, we get base teleporters to get to the base. We got teleporters to pocket D. So again a 5 minute recharge isnt that bad.
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Would I object if it was reduced to an hour? Nope. But those who are thinking it should have the same recharge as a base teleporter are smoking something. There's already complaints about the game becoming dependent on microtransactions, so any "must-have" purchasable power would cause a lot of problems. That's why the self-destruct power doesn't do the same damage as a blaster nova and why the mission teleporter isn't an every-mission or every-other-mission power.
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Please, this game is a [censored] time sink and thats all it is, this power would not hurt a damn thing if the cool down period was shortened a great deal.
You can post anyway you want when it comes to zoning to other zones to get to missions, this power saves you what a whopping 1 minute by putting you at the mission door.
Yeah, I can see how this can be used to gain a lot of XP. So please increase the timer to 5 hours, we need to slow people down even more. 
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New stuff, cool, the recharge time while high doesn't affect us greatly. We seem to be doing fine with the slew of stuff we have now. My wife is really looking forward to the costume pieces.
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These items will be available as a stand-alone purchase for $9.99 after the two month exclusivity period ends.
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Not cool, why do we have to wait two months. Could I just buy the mac code to get it now?
BTW, here's where I'm particularly looking forward to having this ready.
(1) In the STF, there's one mission in Peregrine Island that sends you through a portal. Bamph, I'm there.
(2) Many of the Shadow Shard TFs send you back to Paragon Island for a mission or two, and then back to the shard. The trip back to the Shard is going to be a lot faster.
(3) As mentioned above, that door that I just freaking can't find. (There's a few of them.)
(4) Sometimes, I get invited to teams doing portal missions in PI. (Sometimes, I get invited at levels where I could make it across PI in a try or to, but not looking forward to it.)
(5) Add-hoc Cimerora teleporter. Call Marcus up to get a mission, port to mission door. "Sorry I failed your mission, Marcus"
It won't be a must-have
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EvilRyu, Beef_Cake, if it had a 30 minute recharge power...would you describe it as "something nice to have" or a "must have". What do you think would be the reaction to a "must have" power for sale?
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New stuff, cool, the recharge time while high doesn't affect us greatly. We seem to be doing fine with the slew of stuff we have now. My wife is really looking forward to the costume pieces.
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These items will be available as a stand-alone purchase for $9.99 after the two month exclusivity period ends.
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Not cool, why do we have to wait two months. Could I just buy the mac code to get it now?
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Yes. It's actually cheaper. For $20, you get the packs that would cost $10 and a month of game time which would cost $15.
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EvilRyu, Beef_Cake, if it had a 30 minute recharge power...would you describe it as "something nice to have" or a "must have". What do you think would be the reaction to a "must have" power for sale?
[/ QUOTE ]Nothing in this game is a must have. All I am saying for it to be worth the $10 it needs to be between 5 minutes and 30 minutes.
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Heh, this is great timing on the Mac version going live. My 24" iMac arrives today just in time. Woo hoo.
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Hmm.. I bought the expansion and added it to my existing account, but it seems to have pushed when I get my next Vet reward badge a month later then I would have apparently due to the free month you get from the mac version purchase?
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EvilRyu, Beef_Cake, if it had a 30 minute recharge power...would you describe it as "something nice to have" or a "must have". What do you think would be the reaction to a "must have" power for sale?
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Nothing in this game is a must have, as EvilRyu has already said. A 30 minute timer would have been a much better cool down timer than 2 hours.
I find some mission on average take about 30-40 minutes unless of course you are skipping most of the mobs and doing it for speed.
I think with a 30 minute timer it would serve its purpose a lot more. And it may entice people to run more of those long so called epic TFs in the Shard.
The power only does one thing, gets you to your mission faster, it does not earn you xp, it does not kill the mobs for you, so there is no way you can call it overpowered just because it can get you to your mission faster, otherwise, you may as well say the Ouroboros Portal is overpowered as well. Hell even bases with Telepads could be considered the same thing.
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Hmm.. I bought the expansion and added it to my existing account, but it seems to have pushed when I get my next Vet reward badge a month later then I would have apparently due to the free month you get from the mac version purchase?
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That's odd, I just checked and my Vet Rewards are right on schedule. Perhaps you should take this up with support.
As to the recharge time debate--Beef's made some convincing arguments. I was on the fence before, but now I have to agree: It should be shorter.
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I vote either 30 minutes unenhanceable recharge, or 1 hour enhanceable recharge. Preferably the last; I strongly dislike powers with unenhanceable recharge.
I was really looking forward to this power, but I have to side with those who think a 2 hour recharge is way, way too long.
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Hmm.. I bought the expansion and added it to my existing account, but it seems to have pushed when I get my next Vet reward badge a month later then I would have apparently due to the free month you get from the mac version purchase?
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Didn't happen for me (and I've applied several 'free months' with other packs. Have you had any lapses in billing?
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I do think 2 hours is a bit too long to see on something like this, but I do agree that shortening it down to 5-30 minutes would be a bit much. If we all could just teleport to each and every mission, it would make it pretty much useless to have a city. Why not just have a login, and then a select your mission button? The Devs have put way too much work into the city and the details for us to just skip over it non stop, IMO.
But I can definitely understand why people would want it shorter, especially those of us who have played this game forever and could draw you a map of each zone already. lol
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Two people start under Atlas' statue in AP, both lv 25 with 3 flight SOs in their fly power. Person A has the teleport power, Person B does not. Both heroes are going to the same mission
Person B starts out... Atlas statue to Yellow Line...30 seconds, tops. You go to Skyway City, then fly to the Green Line. 60 seconds, tops. Your mission is in the very bottom left corner of the map. Give or take 4 minutes, tops. So, you spend about 5.5 minutes traveling. Somewhat painful, but certainly doable.
Person B starts out. Teleport, takes him a couple seconds. A friend PMs him after the mission and asks him for help with a mission he has in AP. But, him mission transporter power still has an hour and a half to cool down (this is assuming the mission he just did took him half an hour, which is being generous, depending on the mission). So, he has to fly all the way back up to the Kings Row entrance, then over to the yellow line, and then finally to the mission's entrance. Easily 4 minutes, possibly more.
Essentially, the 5.5 minutes you saved from AP -> IP was reduced to about 1.5 minutes saved because of the power's CD.
Now, granted, these numbers may not be completely accurate but they are close, I flew the course described on my defender while typing this.
EDIT: @StormKidd, it will push back your next renew date by 30 days. So, if your card is scheduled to be charged on Jan 20th, when you apply the serial for the Mac edition to your account, the next bill date will be Feb 20th instead, and you'll unlock the Valkyrie set and Mission Transporter power ingame.
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