Discussion: Full Powerset Proliferation Revealed
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13th_Stranger,
Posted on: 2008-03-28 11:16 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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For all the posters saying /storm sucks for masterminds - have you ever played with either a mastermind or the /storm set?
It will most certainly NOT suck. My first 50 was a fire/storm controller in the days before containment.
/storm masterminds will kick pve butt (I don't care about pvp, but they'll probably do well there too).
I really hate to say this, and I don't think I've ever actually said this to someone in these forums before - but if you think like this, you probably need to Learn To Play.
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Being we are in April in 4 days, I don't see 3 issues a year happening for '08.
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I'm sure many said the same thing for '07.
Issue 9: May 1st, 2007
Issue 10: July 24th, 2007
Issue 11: November 28th, 2007
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The *ONLY* reason I see brutes getting SR is to fight 40+ Longbow, with their Sonic Grenades. It's still counter-intuitive though, it's not going to build fury as fast as a resist set.
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Completely false. You don't build fury from getting hit, you build fury from being attacked. Unless SR has something that slows incoming attacks, it will build fury exactly as fast as any resist set out there - and it has quickness built in, so it can attack faster to boot...
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Mmmm. Fire/Fire for scrappers. This is a very appealing development. What the heck is the damage on BU+FE+GFS? (or BU+FE+HS for that matter)
I like it..
As I said somewhat acidly a week or more ago:
This entire 'new' system would be defined by the arbitrary limitations it imposes---NOT the 'new' options it allows.
This strikes me with the same sense of excitement I had when CoV launched with the same powers as CoH, just with different colors and AT names.
So not enthused by any of this. So not going to go through the same old content again with the same powers stuck on different ATs.
Meanwhile, the options/additions I've wanted since beta get shunted farther and farther into the Negative Zone.
Sorry, Dev Team: I'm not at all surprised by my disappointment.
Cal2
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For all the posters saying /storm sucks for masterminds - have you ever played with either a mastermind or the /storm set?
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Well, I didn't say /storm would suck for masterminds. I'm sure it will be very powerful.
It will be utter misery for any brute teaming with them, though. And gawdforbid you don't have a top of the line computer, if you end up teamed with more than one thugs/storm MM tossing out gang war and tornado and lightning storm on top of the standard arsenal of moronic henchmen.
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Have you thought that maybey.. JUST MAYBEY.. the dev's will listen when you stop posting the *4chan-style* replies?
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What's the first rule about 4-chan again? CANCER.
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Devices (Cloak, Perception, ToHit) > Traps ( Hold, Debuff) - IMO
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I think you would find that you're in the minority with this one. Most people feel exactly the opposite.
I'd love to have Acid Mortar, FFG and Poison Trap on a Defender or Blaster. Devices. . . . Taser has an interesting animation.
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Wait. Devices is better than Traps because it contains two Power Pool options? Neat...
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I agree...I have to get Concealment and Leadership to do what a Devices does and that leave me with 2 power pools to select. So I will need fitness and that leave me with one travel power. Do I get Superspeed for hasten? Do I get TP for TP foe? If I get TP then my recharge will suck because of the lack of hasten. 
etc...
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Being we are in April in 4 days, I don't see 3 issues a year happening for '08.
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I'm sure many said the same thing for '07.
Issue 9: May 1st, 2007
Issue 10: July 24th, 2007
Issue 11: November 28th, 2007
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True, but when were these in closed beta? Im pretty sure i9 was the biggest of the 3, and it went into closed beta in Feb?
This is a big issue with new powersets for different hero/villain types, which means a lot of testing on the training room.
I dont see more alpha testing, weeks of closed beta, then weeks of open beta for i12 hit may 1, maybe end of May. Unless they just remove powers from At's during alpha/closed beta testing wihtout FULL on community testing in open beta, Im calling it i12 = June.
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Wow... some you people seriously just suck.
The game just added HUNDREDS of power sets. If you can't find any you like? Find a new game... seriously... leave.
Gift Horse / Mouth anyone?
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Countdown to 2009 has already begun, thanks.
Meanwhile, I'll critique on 'new' additions to the game as seems good to me.
Cal2
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Any Red name wanna come out and let us know if Elec/Elec tank is going to be added?
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I'd like to see Electric Hammer made for Tanks to go along with Electric Armour. And with Weapon Customization, people don't have to worry that it'd be a Thor kind of electric hammer. It could be a stun rod, a tech electrically charged hammer, etc.
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Ok now for the rest. Kin for MM's are you mad! can you imagine a team of 8 mm's with anything/Kin? thats 7X8=56 !! (6pets and the MM) people affected by siphon power and fulcrum shift! now i know you are drooling over that thought but think of this with out what ever miracle the dev's think they'll find to balance that?
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It is the red side that needs the balancing buff, and giving MM /kin would go towards that. Have you watched a fire/kin clear a six to eight farm map now by himself? Now take eight fire/kins with their 24 pets and an eight stacks of aoe holds and immobs tell me that is balanced.
Anyway, how would would that be different than any current MM superteam? Do you have any idea what an eight thug/* MMs can do now? By adding /kin you are substituting the -res debuff with a +dmg buff.
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Being we are in April in 4 days, I don't see 3 issues a year happening for '08.
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I'm sure many said the same thing for '07.
Issue 9: May 1st, 2007
Issue 10: July 24th, 2007
Issue 11: November 28th, 2007
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True, but when were these in closed beta? Im pretty sure i9 was the biggest of the 3, and it went into closed beta in Feb?
This is a big issue with new powersets for different hero/villain types, which means a lot of testing on the training room.
I dont see more alpha testing, weeks of closed beta, then weeks of open beta for i12 hit may 1, maybe end of May. Unless they just remove powers from At's during alpha/closed beta testing wihtout FULL on community testing in open beta, Im calling it i12 = June.
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I don't see this in Closed Beta or Open Beta for nearly as long as I9 though. Inventions was a massive, fundamental change to the game with about 4 thousand ways it could break the game (at a couple hundred ways it did in Beta 
). New powersets have balance issues sure, but the Beta will only get the most obvious and fix them. Most of these sets will have to be tweaked after they go live.
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Lighthouse, Ex, Castle, well..anyone really with a red name.
What if testing proves a set port didnt work en masse like ice brutes in CoV beta. They obviously made it through your internal testing and QA but in practice it was found they didnt work.
If something is found NOT to work, what is the plan?
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Castle can still tweak the numbers.
Well snore, snore.
There is some stuff to look forward to here, especially on the Brute side of things, but after all this hype I was expecting a LOT more cross over types. I wanted (as have others I know and play with) to see some more Corruptor/Blaster Proliferation for one thing. How about some Rad/Rad Blaster love or Dark/Dark for that matter?
A decent start so far, but nothing to get all worked up about. Hopefully it's just a start and more will follow.
More=Better in this case.
And ease up a little there _Hush_. Red side did get a little short changed this go round, but as it has been pointed out here already, Red side has had much better powers overall from their very begining.
Sasheem
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Well snore, snore.
There is some stuff to look forward to here, especially on the Brute side of things, but after all this hype I was expecting a LOT more cross over types. I wanted (as have others I know and play with) to see some more Corruptor/Blaster Proliferation for one thing. How about some Rad/Rad Blaster love or Dark/Dark for that matter?
A decent start so far, but nothing to get all worked up about. Hopefully it's just a start and more will follow.
More=Better in this case.
And ease up a little there _Hush_. Red side did get a little short changed this go round, but as it has been pointed out here already, Red side has had much better powers overall from their very begining.
Sasheem
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They said each AT was getting one new set weeks ago. Shortly after the concept was first announced actually.
heheheheheh.... I can't wait to crit on greater fire sword. But yeah, the brute version of fire is a whole lot less AoE. I'd see them replacing breath of fire, maybe not.
Can I make one suggestion.... before this gets out the door.
Can we swap out scorch for another firesword attack, and give us the Oni firesword.
FS hack
FS slash
Cremate
Firebreath
Buildup
Taunt
FS circle
Immolate
GFS (this sword is straight so it fits with oni sword)
That's really really what I really really want, please, please...
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Hmmmmm.. Spines/Fire scrapper? Name.. Mr. Hot and Bananna. Ax brute.. yummy.
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Baked Banana!
Still here, even after all this time!
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heheheheheh.... I can't wait to crit on greater fire sword. But yeah, the brute version of fire is a whole lot less AoE. I'd see them replacing breath of fire, maybe not.
Can I make one suggestion.... before this gets out the door.
Can we swap out firebreath for another firesword attack, and give us the Oni firesword.
FS hack
FS slash
Cremate
Firebreath
Buildup
Taunt
FS circle
Immolate
GFS (this sword is straight so it fits with oni sword)
That's really really what I really really want, please, please...
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Now this looks cool. But BoF does give me a power I can skip.
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I don't think they could have released a list of sets that would have made the community happy.
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Nope.
To be honest, I think some of us (me included) had some unrealistic expectations. I really wanted EM/Nin for scrappers. I knew deep down this was most likely not going to happen, but I deluded myself into thinking it may. I don't think I am the only one who did, and that is where a lot of the doom comes from. The up side as many others have said is, this is just the first round. I will keep my fingers crossed that EM/ can be balanced so that scrappers can have it.
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Well snore, snore.
There is some stuff to look forward to here, especially on the Brute side of things, but after all this hype I was expecting a LOT more cross over types. I wanted (as have others I know and play with) to see some more Corruptor/Blaster Proliferation for one thing. How about some Rad/Rad Blaster love or Dark/Dark for that matter?
A decent start so far, but nothing to get all worked up about. Hopefully it's just a start and more will follow.
More=Better in this case.
And ease up a little there _Hush_. Red side did get a little short changed this go round, but as it has been pointed out here already, Red side has had much better powers overall from their very beginning.
Sasheem
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They said each AT was getting one new set weeks ago. Shortly after the concept was first announced actually.
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Well that is a good point, though they actually said "an" rather than "one" additonal new primary and new secondary.
Brutes got 2 new primaries.
Besides, a man can dream can't he?
Sasheem
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Heroes
Illusion Control
Empathy
Archery
Broadsword
Katana
Ice Melee
Ice Armor
Devices
Ice Manipulation
Fire Manipulation
Energy Manipulation
Electric Manipulation
Luminous Blast
Bright Nova
Luminous Aura
White Dwarf
Umbral Blast
Dark Nova
Umbral Aura
Black Dwarf
Psychic Blast
Mental Manipulation
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Villains
Energy Aura
Ninjutsu
Ninja Blade
Electric Armor
Electric Melee
Traps
Poison
Fire Assault
Ice Assault
Psychic Assault
Energy Assault
Thugs
Necromancy
Robotics
Ninjas
Mercenaries
VEAT primary 1
VEAT primary 2
VEAT secondary 1
VEAT secondary 2
Electric Assault
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Since you felt the need to include a set that cannot be added to heroes like the mastermind pets I think I should include the extra forms given by the hero epic AT. Granted you have to access them from another set, however each form gets different HP, can be slotted, separately and they receive special powers that are not included in the original set.
I think this is the stupidest post I have ever done; however a stupid post gets a stupid reply.
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Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
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Well snore, snore.
There is some stuff to look forward to here, especially on the Brute side of things, but after all this hype I was expecting a LOT more cross over types. I wanted (as have others I know and play with) to see some more Corruptor/Blaster Proliferation for one thing. How about some Rad/Rad Blaster love or Dark/Dark for that matter?
A decent start so far, but nothing to get all worked up about. Hopefully it's just a start and more will follow.
More=Better in this case.
And ease up a little there _Hush_. Red side did get a little short changed this go round, but as it has been pointed out here already, Red side has had much better powers overall from their very beginning.
Sasheem
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They said each AT was getting one new set weeks ago. Shortly after the concept was first announced actually.
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Well that is a good point, though they actually said "an" rather than "one" additonal new primary and new secondary.
Brutes got 2 new primaries.
Besides, a man can dream can't he?
Sasheem
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BAB's exact post:
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So we picked one Primary and one Secondary for each AT. Except for Brutes. "It would be dumb to not do Battleaxe and Mace when we just added custom weapons", I said.
In the end, most powersets ended up being straight ports. Others required tinting the effects from hero to villain (or vice versa). Stalkers needed an Assasin's Strike. Dominators ended up getting a mix of powers from a melee set and a ranged set and the Blaster secondary ended up with a completely new power.
This is just the first batch. Plenty more to come in the future.
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Keep dreaming. It'll happen someday.
Ok I have to ask because at this point the hypocrisies is through the roof. Why don't we still get Ice Brutes? I know you say 'ice slows down attack rates of foes and thus bad for fury' but Dark Armor has TWO powers that either slow it down just as drastically or outright stop it completely. Further, why does WP share almost all the same FX for most of it's toggles? I know its supposed to be FX light but thats still easily achievable while still having different FX for each toggle. If you say that isn't important, then why is it so many powersets weren't allowed to have stacking armor for that exact reason for so many issues? Not to mention that the reason for that still holds true, its easy to see what toggles are on just be seeing what FX are there.
Sorry for the bit of ranting, but it just irks me on that area. Also, DA tankers? Thats going to be a very hard to balance set for sure.
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Heroes
Illusion Control
Empathy
Archery
Broadsword
Katana
Ice Melee
Ice Armor
Devices
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Villains
Energy Aura
Ninjutsu
Ninja Blade
Electric Armor
Electric Melee
Traps
Poison
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Fixed
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Fixed? You threw in a Blaster secondary, which doesn't have an equivalent in COV, and an armor powerset proved not to work? Good. let's throw in all the powersets, even the ones with no logical equivalencies.
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Heroes
Illusion Control
Empathy
Archery
Broadsword
Katana
Ice Melee
Ice Armor
Devices
Ice Manipulation
Fire Manipulation
Energy Manipulation
Electric Manipulation
Luminous Blast
Luminous Aura
Umbral Blast
Umbral Aura
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Villains
Energy Aura
Ninjutsu
Ninja Blade
Electric Armor
Electric Melee
Traps
Poison
Thorny Assault
Fire Assault
Ice Assault
Psychic Assault
Energy Assault
Thugs
Necromancy
Robotics
Ninjas
Mercenaries
VEAT primary 1
VEAT primary 2
VEAT secondary 1
VEAT secondary 2
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Now it's fixed. Villains are still ahead in unique power sets after Issue 13.