Discussion: NCsoft Acquires City of Heroes!


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At this time, we’re not quite ready to disclose longer term plans. We’ll have the usual slate of announcements when we’re ready to reveal our plans. But, what I can say is that we’re building this new studio not just to maintain the status quo. We’re looking beyond the normal slate of free Issues for City of Heroes.

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Here's hoping that isn't "we're looking past the free issues to the paid expansions."

I'd pay a certain amount, but not an extra $15 or whatever every 3 months.

Also... How about people who bought both games getting extra slots for chars?


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Six months to a year before the servers get shut down.

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I will take that bet.

Its a perfect opportunity to re-launch the game and throw some advertising behind it, a advert during one of the myriad of superhero movies, heros (tv show) or comic advert would do wonders for the player base. Now its 100% inhouse there is no fear about your investment dividends going to other people.

Im a huge cynic and think this is a good move


 

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Rome was not built in a day - but scripts to grant prestige, clear debt and flip authentication are not far behind that. Sure, while perhaps we could have pulled some dev time for something else as a "thank you" we do have Issue 11 beta in full swing and the team has the grindstone turning hard to polish that up and get it ready for launch.

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Lighthouse, Flashback is more than enough "thank you". In a couple of paychecks I plan on changing my sub to a full year as my "thank you" back at ya. So, any dev time away from Flashback is time that could have been spent on Flashback (okay, okay, I admit that a minimal time spent on other features and fixes are also necessary).


 

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The issue is solely the 72-96 hours from my purchase of CoV to it being given out for free. That's a pretty expensive 72-96 hours compared to the rest of the time. I do not think it is beyond the pale for NCSoft to look at that small segment (say within 30-60 days of the activation) and addressing those users accordingly. That is just good solid customer service.

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No, it's somebody trying to scam something for free that they don't deserve.

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Say what? How do you figure?

Here's the sequence.

I *LEFT* CoH when CoV came out. I went to other games.

Less than a week ago I decided, "Hm, wonder what's going on with CoH, I miss it." I poke at the site, decide to pick up CoV so I can have a lot of new content to play with. 3-4 days later CoV would have been free to me.

How is that a scam? I'm a returning customer who decided to purchase the game right before an unknown event that would have saved me money.

Am I asking for all the Veteran Awards from the years between the time that I stopped my sub for CoH and I restarted for CoV? Nope.

Am I upset that they have given out the prestige power dash from beta to everyone as a veterean award? Nope.

Am I someone who bought CoV months/years ago who wants to get free time while ignoring the fact I got to play the game for several months/years in the meantime? Nope.

I am a returning customer who was 3-4 days on the wrong side of a major announcement. Like I said, I don't think that it is beyond the pale that NCSoft address that admittedly small segment. That's not a scam, that's an honest, tempered concern.

What's beyond the pale and certainly not tempered is the responses from people such as yourself.


 

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Six months to a year before the servers get shut down.

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Yeah, that is why NCSoft is investing all of this money in bringing the entire team inhouse into its OWN brand new development studio. To shut everything down, waste their money and put everyone out of work. Even if you are not very trusting, at least look at the logical conclusions of the evidence.


 

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Im with Happy_Killmore.

Sadly, I think NCSoft forgot a bribe here. They forgot to bribe the hard, core, dedicated player. Ill grant, that group is probably not as large or as influential as any of the other three bribed, but its the group I belong to, and the group everyone I play with belongs to. And my cheeks (pick one, of the four) are feeling a little stung here. As if Ive been slapped. Taken for granted. Why would we quit over something so silly as a new owner? We've been playing for 3 years, why quit now? Why indeed. Of course we wont. These bribes arent about making players feel good about the new owners. These bribes are about business, pure and simple, and for some reason that sends a dark chill down my spine for the future of a game I love.

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That article was full of stupid. Loaded with it. I'm not an ignorant man. I can be a jerk, but no one I know would say that I'm stupid. Or a chump.

Yet I don't feel chumped. I can certainly see that these little perks, incentives, bribes, whatever you wish to call them, might be construed negatively by the more paranoid of the world, but I see them rather as junk given out because there's no harm in doing so.

Other than the hurt feelings of those with overblown senses of entitlement.

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Not to mention it was filled with enough Libel to make a lawyer salivate. He basically accused a legitimate company like NCsoft of bribing it's player base and lying to it's customers. If this guy had any money I'm sure they sue his @55 lol


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This scenario reminds me of the EA/Origin disputes and Ultima Online. But in the name of all that is holy, I dread seeing CoH/CoV recieving an update that warps it like the AoS expansion to Ultima Online did. Here's to hoping we never have that scenario.

I hope for the best, but plan for the worst. Can't say I have a whole lot more to say on the subject.


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Greyed...

I'm not sure how many times this can be posted before the universe collapses... but how much did you pay for CoV last week?

20 bucks, right? And you got a month free, so you got 15 bucks back. You're out 5 dollars.

FIVE DOLLARS.

One 5-shot latte

Lunch at a fast food joint with no upsizing.

15 minutes of work at my current low payscale.

Now there's something I should be asking for....

Hey NCSoft! Where's my $165,000 for all the free tech support I've given you over the last three years?!?!!?!


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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From the interview:

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At this time, we’re not quite ready to disclose longer term plans. We’ll have the usual slate of announcements when we’re ready to reveal our plans. But, what I can say is that we’re building this new studio not just to maintain the status quo. We’re looking beyond the normal slate of free Issues for City of Heroes.

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Here's hoping that isn't "we're looking past the free issues to the paid expansions."

I'd pay a certain amount, but not an extra $15 or whatever every 3 months.

Also... How about people who bought both games getting extra slots for chars?

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I think you should read that as "we're looking at doing extra stuff in addition to the free issues."

Remember. Doubled or trippled Dev team = more people doing more stuff.

I believe they say as much in the Stratics article or in one of the various FAQs on the NCSoft site.


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Earlier in the thread either Ex or Lighthouse stated that the Mountain View job listings are all for the newly established NorCal CoH/V studio. Also earlier in the thread it was clearly stated that only one person out of the entire Cryptic team assigned to CoH/V had accepted the NCSoft offer and will be moving to the new studio with the game.

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Read it again. Only one person hasn't accepted. The popular speculation is that that person is Jack Emmert, but we haven't seen anything explicitly stating this AFAIK. It's possible that Jack wasn't offered a job for one reason or another and someone else said no.

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Oops... typo. That's exactly what I meant to say - and, if you read the rest of my post carefully you will see that the tone of it supports that. I'll go back and fix it.

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Mostly for amusement, if you take a look at the job listings for the new facility, I wonder if it is Gecko who is not coming over, as a Powers Designer is listed. It would be sad, as Gecko has done a fantastic job over the years (not that I ever see him post anymore, did he leave a while back and I had no idea about it?). Emmert, well, I assume he is going to continue with Cryptic managing the design of the Marvel game. Miller is head honcho here now.


 

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Greyed...

I'm not sure how many times this can be posted before the universe collapses... but how much did you pay for CoV last week?

20 bucks, right? And you got a month free, so you got 15 bucks back. You're out 5 dollars.

FIVE DOLLARS.

One 5-shot latte

Lunch at a fast food joint with no upsizing.

15 minutes of work at my current low payscale.

Now there's something I should be asking for....

Hey NCSoft! Where's my $165,000 for all the free tech support I've given you over the last three years?!?!!?!

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Hell, at current exchange rates, I can probably spare a couple of loonies to cover the five bucks US.


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[...] an update that warps it like the AoS expansion to Ultima Online did.

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I'm hoping that and the SWG:NGE debacle have put game companies on notice that large scale changes to the playstyle of a popular MMO is not something to be done lightly.


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Mostly for amusement, if you take a look at the job listings for the new facility, I wonder if it is Gecko who is not coming over, as a Powers Designer is listed. It would be sad, as Gecko has done a fantastic job over the years (not that I ever see him post anymore, did he leave a while back and I had no idea about it?). Emmert, well, I assume he is going to continue with Cryptic managing the design of the Marvel game. Miller is head honcho here now.


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Where's my $165,000 for all the free tech support I've given you over the last three years?!?!!?!

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As a beneficiary of said tech support, I will cheerfully buy you a beer/coffee/legalbeverageofyourchoice if we ever meet face to face. I expect to be at Dundracon '08 and PAX '08 if you're going to either.


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I frequently rack up debt and work it off for this very reason.

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That gives me an idea. Let's run it up the flagpole.

Here's a ThankYou that I think more people would appreciate. Maybe it's possible, maybe it's not, Maybe it's easy, maybe it's not. A Debt-Wipe token or clicky temp-power that can be activated at the player's discretion. Even better, make it transferable and sellable at WW/BM for those people who, for one reason or another, would never use such a thing. If they turn out to be at all popular, put a recipe for same into the drop tables like the respec recipe.

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Ok, maybe I'm missing something. I read the press release and email. I understand what's going on, and the "thank you"s that have been promised.

What I don't understand is why people are getting their panties all in a bunch cause they feel the "thank you" isn't enough?

Do you all feel that because the game has legally changed hands that you somehow deserve something other than a great game (as if the end of the reign of Emperor Jack isn't enough of a reward?)

Honestly, I just don't get it. They offer up a few niceties that ultimately are good for business, and happen to be a nice perk for some of the playerbase. But now everyone is bitchin' that the "reward" is not enough, simply because it's something they don't foresee personally benefiting from.

I just don't get the "gimme gimme gimme" attitude. Am I bothered that I bought both games and now some people are getting it for free? Not at all. Am I bothered that I won't get much from debt removal since most of my characters don't have any to begin with? Not at all. Am I bothered that large SGs are going to get a ton of prestige from this while those that aren't in SGs (or in very small ones) won't benefit? Not at all.

I pay to play a game. I feel, by and large, I get what I pay for. If it didn't, I would have stopped paying a long time ago. If the company wants to give away a few perks that I can't personally take advantage, y'know what, I really don't care. It doesn't affect me in any way at all. If I get something nice, hey that's cool. If I don't well, hey, that's fine too.

If you always *expect* to get something for free, you're more than likely going to be disappointed. If you're content with what you have, and happen to get a nice little benefit along the line, well that's just icing on the cake.

Stop expecting every little thing about this game to be all about you, and I imagine you'll all live longer, healthier lives with a LOT less stress.

I used to be very active in the forums and I simply can't put up with the whiny "me me me" attitudes anymore. It's a shame because I used to enjoy the lively discussion, but that's pretty much gone. All that's left now is a lot of whining, complaining, flaming, and trolling. I used to enjoy trying to help people in the technical support forums, but the last few times I went out of my way to try and help someone fix their problems all I got was attitude and grief. And those are two things I get plenty of in other parts of my life. I don't need it in my entertainment.

One piece of wisdom I can impart, even though it smacks of cliche: please don't feed the trolls. If someone posts ranting and raving, using extreme hyperbole, and is generally just being an [censored], just ignore them. Don't respond, don't reply, and above all else don't try and reason with them. They are just looking for a battle, not a discussion, and you simply will not win. When it's obvious that no one is paying any attention to their childish antics they will disappear from whence they came (and hopefully never be heard from again).

Part of me wonders why this sudden rash of impoliteness and attitude. I really don't know. Maybe it's because there are a lot of newer and/or younger players that simply do not have the social skills or don't understand that just because you CAN post doesn't mean you SHOULD post. Or maybe it's because (and this is by no means meant as a slight against them) Lighthouse and Ex Libris's ban sticks seem to get rather dusty while CuppaJo's was spit-polished, ready to go, day in and day out. I just don't know. What I do know is that it seems we're in a downward spiral around here, and that's really not a good thing.


 

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This scenario reminds me of the EA/Origin disputes and Ultima Online. But in the name of all that is holy, I dread seeing CoH/CoV recieving an update that warps it like the AoS expansion to Ultima Online did. Here's to hoping we never have that scenario.

I hope for the best, but plan for the worst. Can't say I have a whole lot more to say on the subject.

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An interesting comparison, given the participants. However, to draw another parallel, the changes to UO that you mention came after the Garriott brothers were gone. NCsoft taking over would mean (I would think) a greater involvement from them. So in that respect, I'm very hopeful.

In all honesty, if the announcement was that EA had bought the rights to the whole game, then, I'd be scared. But I think NCSoft has a good track record for making quality games.

And as I said before: if anyone knows about the dangers of publisher destroying a game, it's the Garriott brothers.


 

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I'm aware of how much it is. If you had read my posts I even gave material to it, 5-pieces off the Arby's 5-for-5 menu.

The point is that, yes, I am out $5. It doesn't matter if it is $5 or $5,000,000, the issue is that it is money that I am out.

Now, did you read what I was asking for? Did you read my suggestion?

7-10 days tacked on to my subscription.

I'm not asking for the moon and stars. I am simply asking for the $5 that even you admit I am "out" to be converted to an equal amount of time as if I had paid for it... because I did pay for it!

I'm not asking for a refund. I'm not asking for another whole month for that $5. I'm asking an amount of time that the $5 would have gotten me if I had been able to make such minimal payments. At $15/month, that's 1/3rd a month or... 7-10 days depending on which month you choose to pick (Feb 7, most others 10). I'm not even demanding that they pro-rate it at any of the more economical rates one gets for prepaying for months/a year in advance.

I fail to see how that is in any way unreasonable or unjustified given the specific circumstances. So far I have been given unreasonable responses.


 

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I am worried becuz I have no idea if this is a good thing or bad thing.

Someone please explain the good and bad of this??

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There is no good and bad. There is only possibility and probability. And really, it all depends on what you like and what you beleive.

Many people dislike Cryptic. People like Statesman have been scapegoats for all their complaints for many years. Valid or not, that is the direction they cast their blame for everything from travel power suppression to the regen nerf. So, if you like to complain about how your powers got nerfed by "the man", and think statesman is the devil, then this is definately a positive move.

On the other hand....

Many people dislike NCSoft. At first they weren't too bad, but they've progressively gotten more and more apathetic towards the game. They laid off most of their texas branch a couple years ago (often a sign that numbers are more important than people). They replaced Cuppajo with someone who sounds like a salesman - a PR mouthpeice for NCSoft. (although hey, maybe that's loosened up in the last year) They used to have tons of contests for the community - 5 or 6 a year I think... they're down to one now, and the prizes have gone from a couple thousand to a couple hundred. In addition to this, it doesn't look like Cryptic really liked NCSoft either - after working with them for a while, they decided to launch their next MMO's without the use of NCSoft as a money-man. Now with this sale, they're distancing themselves further.

So it depends on what you care about. Do you want fast loot now? NCSoft will give that to you long before Cryptic would. If something would make them money, they're all for it. Do you care about community support and sincerity in actions and words? Cryptic would give that to you long before NCSoft. If something would make a better game, they're all for it.

So is this good news or bad news? Depends on what you dig. To me, it's bad news. I stopped using the CoH community about a year ago simply due to NCSoft's horrendous handling of the community. Then again, for all I know, my blaming NCSoft for the dreadful handling of the community is as valid as people blaming Statesman for every development choice they don't like. I hope... for the sake of the development team, that most of them stuck with Cryptic - In 3 years CoH will be almost seven, which is a long time for any MMO, and while Cryptic would probably just move the people to a new project, I have a feeling NCSoft would just give them the axe.

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Wow. So, let's see...

The City of Heroes IP was sold to a company that already pretty much owned it and the crew that were working on it are moving 15 miles down the road to continue working on it.

Something about having more resources to put into the game, which, of course, sounds good.

They're giving each member free access to both versions of the game even if they already have both. They're also doing a debt wipe and giving each SG some prestige or something. And people are, of course, whining about that.

I paid for both and I don't care if they give BOTH of them free to people who don't have EITHER. What do I care? "His glass is slightly more full than mine! Waiter!" Ugh. There's plenty more in life to complain about. What do you get if you paid for both? You get the box, a nice manual printed on real paper and a snazzy disc. Mine came with a small statue. Should they send those statues to everyone who didn't get one? No.

Anyways, congratulations. I guess. I have no idea what's going on but NCSoft and the developers seem happy about it so I guess that's good.


 

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I don't parse this sense of having lost something. No one has had anything taken away from them.

Buying something from a company doesn't give you any right to expect that the company may not sell that exact same thing for a lesser, or even non-existent, price at a latter date. If you buy a new car when the new model year comes out and pay the full price, if you go back to the dealership when they're closing out that year and selling them at a discount, they aren't going to compensate you for the difference.

You should buy things because you want them, and want them at that time. Having any expectation that those same things may not be sold for a lower price, or even given away for free, at some later date is foolish in the extreme.

Caveat Emptor.


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I'm aware of how much it is. If you had read my posts I even gave material to it, 5-pieces off the Arby's 5-for-5 menu.

The point is that, yes, I am out $5. It doesn't matter if it is $5 or $5,000,000, the issue is that it is money that I am out.

Now, did you read what I was asking for? Did you read my suggestion?

7-10 days tacked on to my subscription.

I'm not asking for the moon and stars. I am simply asking for the $5 that even you admit I am "out" to be converted to an equal amount of time as if I had paid for it... because I did pay for it!

I'm not asking for a refund. I'm not asking for another whole month for that $5. I'm asking an amount of time that the $5 would have gotten me if I had been able to make such minimal payments. At $15/month, that's 1/3rd a month or... 7-10 days depending on which month you choose to pick (Feb 7, most others 10). I'm not even demanding that they pro-rate it at any of the more economical rates one gets for prepaying for months/a year in advance.

I fail to see how that is in any way unreasonable or unjustified given the specific circumstances. So far I have been given unreasonable responses.

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5 dollars? You have GOT to be kidding. Seriously? That's simply hilarious. You're not kidding, right?

Hey, just for fun I'm going to give a homeless guy 5 bucks on my way home from work. I'll think of you and your plight.

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Many people dislike NCSoft. At first they weren't too bad, but they've progressively gotten more and more apathetic towards the game. They laid off most of their texas branch a couple years ago (often a sign that numbers are more important than people). They replaced Cuppajo with someone who sounds like a salesman - a PR mouthpeice for NCSoft. They used to have tons of contests for the community - 5 or 6 a year I think... they're down to one now, and the prizes have gone from a couple thousand to a couple hundred. In addition to this, it doesn't look like Cryptic really liked NCSoft either - after working with them for a while, they decided to launch their next MMO's without the use of cryptic as a money-man. Now with this sale, they're distancing themselves further.


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CuppaJo always worked for NCSoft and it was always her job to be a PR mouthpiece for NCSoft. CuppaJo was moved because they liked her work here and wanted her to work on the bosses' (Richard Garriott's) new project, Tabula Rasa. It wasn't intended to tick off anyone here. It was a reflection of the love that this community had for her that they trusted her with their intended flagship.

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So it depends on what you care about. Do you want fast loot now? NCSoft will give that to you long before Cryptic would. If something would make them money, they're all for it. Do you care about community support and sincerity in actions and words? Cryptic would give that to you long before NCSoft. If something would make a better game, they're all for it.


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I think Lighthouse and Ex Libris have done a great job in their efforts to build and nurture this community. But even when CuppaJo was here, Cryptic didn't have anything to do with community support, that was always NCSoft's role.

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So is this good news or bad news? Depends on what you dig. To me, it's bad news. I stopped using the CoH community about a year ago simply due to NCSoft's horrendous handling of the community. I hope... for the sake of the development team, that most of them stuck with Cryptic - In 3 years CoH will be almost seven, which is a long time for any MMO, and while Cryptic would probably just move the people to a new project, I have a feeling NCSoft would just give them the axe.


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I think it's great news personally. I've become more engaged in the community since we've had actual community support and moderation on these boards. I think all this bashing of NCSoft has no basis in reason or fact.


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I'm aware of how much it is. If you had read my posts I even gave material to it, 5-pieces off the Arby's 5-for-5 menu.

The point is that, yes, I am out $5. It doesn't matter if it is $5 or $5,000,000, the issue is that it is money that I am out.

Now, did you read what I was asking for? Did you read my suggestion?

7-10 days tacked on to my subscription.

I'm not asking for the moon and stars. I am simply asking for the $5 that even you admit I am "out" to be converted to an equal amount of time as if I had paid for it... because I did pay for it!

I'm not asking for a refund. I'm not asking for another whole month for that $5. I'm asking an amount of time that the $5 would have gotten me if I had been able to make such minimal payments. At $15/month, that's 1/3rd a month or... 7-10 days depending on which month you choose to pick (Feb 7, most others 10). I'm not even demanding that they pro-rate it at any of the more economical rates one gets for prepaying for months/a year in advance.

I fail to see how that is in any way unreasonable or unjustified given the specific circumstances. So far I have been given unreasonable responses.

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Then here's my reasonable response since you haven't gotten one yet.

I paid less than half a penny per day for access to both sides. I had access to both sides for far longer than any of the folks being given it for free.

You paid a buck a day because you chose to.

You didn't have to come back. You chose to. You didn't have to buy CoV. You could have simply re-upped your hero account. You chose to.

Did you make that choice without knowledge of the future? Yes. As did I. Them's the breaks. Deal with it. Or do as I mentioned earlier and write a thoughtful, respectful letter directly to NCSoft and perhaps you'll get your wish.

If not, and we all just bend to your irrational demands, then you get 1 week free, and I get the next 2 years free.

Will that please you?


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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All of the CoX development team left Cryptic to stay with NCSoft, save Statesman. Take that as you will.

I don't see NCSoft's acquisition of risk in taking over CoX to be indicative that they are 'apathetic' toward the game, quite the opposite.

They are indicating an intent to 'double or triple' the staff, which we as players have been calling for since before the light went green on the servers.

In any case, a move was inevitable. We should all have forseen that there was no way Microsoft would allow Cryptic to develop both MUO and the only direct competition and trust them not to share resouces or knowledge IN THE SAME BUILDING!

So a move being inevitable, I'm glad NCSoft bought CoX.

Imagine what would have happened if Marvel or Micro$oft had gotten it.


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All of the CoX development team left Cryptic to stay with NCSoft, save Statesman. Take that as you will.

I don't see NCSoft's acquisition of risk in taking over CoX to be indicative that they are 'apathetic' toward the game, quite the opposite.

They are indicating an intent to 'double or triple' the staff, which we as players have been calling for since before the light went green on the servers.

In any case, a move was inevitable. We should all have forseen that there was no way Microsoft would allow Cryptic to develop both MUO and the only direct competition and trust them not to share resouces or knowledge IN THE SAME BUILDING!

So a move being inevitable, I'm glad NCSoft bought CoX.

Imagine what would have happened if Marvel or Micro$oft had gotten it.

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Or say, EA, who seem to the Galactus of the video game world.


Heroes
Dysmal
Lumynous
Sam Steele
Pluck
Wile
Slagheap
Pressure Wave
Rhiannon Bel
Verified
Stellaric
Syd Mallorn

Villains
Jotunheim Skald
Saer Maen
Jen Corbae
Illuminance
Venator Arawn
Taiga Dryad
Tarranos