Article Discussion: Redesigning Hamidon
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Posted on: 2007-03-22 13:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.
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When you take your 50 dudes in there, a new + empty The Hive 2 will open up, just like when any in-game zone gets overfull. That's what I'm understanding here, anyway.
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Yeah.
Every zone in city of heroes is instanced.
I remember Atlas park 1-7 being full. 
When they said the Hive and the Abyss would not be instanced, they were referring to it not being instanced like a mission is - just for a group (or group of groups ala CoP.)
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Folks this Hamidon raid is MORE open to griefing.
How?
I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.
If I refuse to leave even tho' I get no reward I effectively grief others.
As far as no holding making it more fun - how's that Sewer Trial doing now? Yes, no one does it. I am not encouraged by the description of this encounter.
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If ya'll want to hold the Hive open with 45 people and no Hammi, we can send 5 more people into your instance and the game will automatically spawn a new instance with Hammi.
Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?
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Folks this Hamidon raid is MORE open to griefing.
How?
I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.
If I refuse to leave even tho' I get no reward I effectively grief others.
As far as no holding making it more fun - how's that Sewer Trial doing now? Yes, no one does it. I am not encouraged by the description of this encounter.
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If ya'll want to hold the Hive open with 45 people and no Hammi, we can send 5 more people into your instance and the game will automatically spawn a new instance with Hammi.
Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?
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Actually, IIRC, if it is following tradition form, probably at about 40 a new hive will open.
Orc&Pie No.53230 There is an orc, and somehow, he got a pie. And you are hungry.
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Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.
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Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?
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Folks this Hamidon raid is MORE open to griefing.
How?
I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.
If I refuse to leave even tho' I get no reward I effectively grief others.
As far as no holding making it more fun - how's that Sewer Trial doing now? Yes, no one does it. I am not encouraged by the description of this encounter.
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If ya'll want to hold the Hive open with 45 people and no Hammi, we can send 5 more people into your instance and the game will automatically spawn a new instance with Hammi.
Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?
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Actually, IIRC, if it is following tradition form, probably at about 40 a new hive will open.
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That's possible. It took a lot of folks last year on Freedom to spawn a second and a third Hive.
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Wait... Posi goofed? 
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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Wait... Posi goofed?
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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I smell new signatures... 
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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You know, I wish more folks could turn what might be viewed as a negative experience into a positive one. The world would be a happier place.
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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You know, I wish more folks could turn what might be viewed as a negative experience into a positive one. The world would be a happier place.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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You know, I wish more folks could turn what might be viewed as a negative experience into a positive one. The world would be a happier place.
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I agree as well. It's just unfortunate that some members of our lil community will only use this as ammunition. =\
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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You know, I wish more folks could turn what might be viewed as a negative experience into a positive one. The world would be a happier place.
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I agree as well. It's just unfortunate that some members of our lil community will only use this as ammunition. =\
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Yeah. Some people just like to complain no matter what. I work with someone like that. Just today he was complaining about wanting to do something. So maybe an hour later we told everyone that we'd be doing that for the rest of the day. And of course, the first thing he does is complain about having to do that.
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I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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Matt, you're awesome.
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Wait... Posi goofed?
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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Its a shame that in a week, you won't remember proving it. 
(But this is why we don't purge dev posts)
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Btw, Arcanaville, I think that Geko's Strategy was indeed successfull once.
It was back when Devs nerfed our ability to use Enervating Field while PSed (remember that nice bug? We could go PSed and use EF on Hami and then run back and turn PS off out of Hamidon's Range. When you turned PS off, EF would "kick in" so to speak. Then we'd use LOOOOOOADS of rads with 6 sloted ranged snipes AND AM to boost their damage to the cap...yes, that's LOOOADS of rad defenders)
When they fixed that bug, some people thought in what we now know to be "Geko's Strategy" - and executed once or twice I think.
BUT...but when Devs increased Mito's range by 100% (people were using HOs to snipe from out of range! lol) that idea of a three-pronged attack was made obsolete since now ANY mito ANYWHERE inside the goo had the range to attack you.
Untill Tremere found out about the Hold-thing that is
o.o I found the goof up to be kinda funny personally... but.. as its was his first post here, won't at least one redname be kinda enough to introduce the community to Christopher Bruce / BackAlleyBrawler?
^^ I'm mean, seriously, all we know about him right now is that he's in the Art Department, and a relative new comer to the team since he's not accredited on either CoH or CoV...
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Wait... Posi goofed?
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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I smell new signatures...
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If I didn't have Memphis_Bill in my sig, I'd have Posi there now.
...I forgot what experience means.
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Wait... Posi goofed?
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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Cheers Posi.
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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You know, I wish more folks could turn what might be viewed as a negative experience into a positive one. The world would be a happier place.
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Matt Miller for president in '08!
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Folks this Hamidon raid is MORE open to griefing.
How?
I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.
If I refuse to leave even tho' I get no reward I effectively grief others.
As far as no holding making it more fun - how's that Sewer Trial doing now? Yes, no one does it. I am not encouraged by the description of this encounter.
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If ya'll want to hold the Hive open with 45 people and no Hammi, we can send 5 more people into your instance and the game will automatically spawn a new instance with Hammi.
Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?
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Actually, IIRC, if it is following tradition form, probably at about 40 a new hive will open.
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That's possible. It took a lot of folks last year on Freedom to spawn a second and a third Hive.
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probly why they added the 24 hour rule
"Never attempt to balance mechanics through Role Playing."
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After two years of raiding hamidon I do not like how he is set up now. Not one bit, but I deal like everyone else has too. I would give anything for Hamidon to be a private instance. Or where you can have a 50 man team and not have micro organize all of these little teams.
We do need a change in the hive. However is the new Hamidon what we want or need? New Content (YAY) yet thinking about how the sewer trail got reworked. I do not think I want hami worked over.
My second problem I am seeing with the zone cap. Not everyone is going to play at there best proficiency of the A.T. they are playing. Not all know how another hero works. Some people only specialize in tanks and do not know the strengths and weakness of there fellow controller or defender or scraper or blaster. Every A.T. is good and bad. Every player is good and bad. Not every player has been here forever and a day and played all the different A.T.'s (I think the Dev's really need to mull that over)
So why not properly balance what is needed? Why make us hunt monsters down for "special inspirations"? Why have us jump though more hoops? Haven't we jumped though enough hoops with all of the changes from the past? (remembering E.D.) (Remembering defence changes) (thinking about the giant monster changes) (thinking about how the defence got reworked) (laughing at how the giant monsters got reworked)
Hami is defeatable now. Even with Grievers, communication spam, stupidity. If you do a Zone cap you hurt the game in how it is designed. Do a team cap (larger then eight less then 100). Where everyone can work with each other and if they (edit) kick em from the zone/team/area. If a team member disconnects from the server that group member will have that spot for him (like when you disconnect from task forces) when he reconnects. You all ready are changing the game mechanics again why not address the issues we do have?
The open spawn we have now, we have figured out. Not as our dearest Dev's had hoped we would, but we did. This also lead to those whom wished to to design ways to grief those in hive trying to complete a server/community event. Yes, we also have our leaches. Our problem children and what not.
If the Dev's are serious about giving us a challenge like this, Then allow us to more control. We need the ability to kick a(edit) and (edit) out of the event. I see more problems with the new creation of Hami then our gaming community currently deals with now.
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I see more problems with the new creation of Hami then our gaming community currently deals with now.
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You know, if you guys are determined to MAKE UP things to complain about, you can do a lot better than this.
How about "Whenever I9 Hamidon kills you, the game automatically formats your hard drive"? I mean, that packs in WAYYYY more doom than "I haven't fought I9 Hamidon or talked to anyone who has, but it's impossible with 50 people".
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Matt Miller for president in '08!
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That's sweet, but it's about time for a President with not only a good memory, but the cajones to confront the press, media, critics, & nation States with destructive agendas gone out of control. Without these skills, we may as well vote Hami in and become his next devoured victims.
If you're gonna go OT, do it right, will you?
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Wait... Posi goofed?
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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.
I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.
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Posi .. Posi.. Posi.. you'll never make a good politician. Taking the blame shame .. always put it on someone else.. the whole blame 
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Sounds good. The only comment that I have is that the cap is fine at 50, and does not have to be raised to 75 to accomodate an entire SG.
The notion that ALL 75 characters in a SG will be level 45 and up, belong to distinct accounts, all be logged on at once, and all want to raid Hamidon at the same time is ludicrous at best. (I would personally deem it very unlikely for even 50 such people (from the same SG) to all be ready to participate at once, given server populations and time zones/schedules, but I suppose it is possible)
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I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.
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When you take your 50 dudes in there, a new + empty The Hive 2 will open up, just like when any in-game zone gets overfull. That's what I'm understanding here, anyway.
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