Article Discussion: Redesigning Hamidon
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Posted on: 2007-03-22 13:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I also believe that Hami would need a nerf so thatthe goal of defeating him with 50-75 people is obtainable. *remembers the Old version of Super Arachnoids that had a high regen rate, great one shot potential to even Boss pets and slaughtered MM's, Brutes and Corruptors solo*
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Based on info that was leaked in the I9 discussion forum, I think there must be some specific thing that needs to be done to defeat Hami. Bum-rushing him, even once all the mitos are gone and done with, just isn't going to work if what we saw is correct. In his I9 incarnation as revealed, I don't think 200 people pounding on him with zero "zone lag" could defeat him without some sort of intercession.
(No, I'm not going into more detail, as the post in question resulted in a temporary forum ban for the poster.)
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To be honest, this isn't an official site so the reviewer are probably under some misconception about Hamidon.
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City of Heroes / City of Villains: Redesigning the Hamidon
By Christopher Bruce, Cryptic Developer
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Yeah, I actually found it a little annoying that one of the Devs knows so little about the game (even if he were trying to use "elder god" in a figurative sense) that he referred to defeating Hammi as sending it (him) back to the dimension from which he came.
Duh, read through a story arc of the game you code for once in a while.
It just looks bad to me. Cryptic's own developers (at least this one) know very little about the background of something that they are writing an article on... one that said dev knows full well is going to get published online and read by actual players.
I mean, come on, spend the 1-2 minutes it'll take to skim through the text of the arc and find the part about Hamidon being a scientist who mutated himself. 
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<That wasn't meant as a DOOOM! Far from it. I was just <wondering if it was an oversight.
<Besides, how can it be first come, first serve when:
<1. You can create new instances with only 50 characters <(including those already raiding) in a zone.
<2. Hamidon is manually spawnable.
<I kind of expect a somewhat sizable team size needed to take <him on still. Maybe 20-30 characters. So if "they" have 20-30 <characters already raiding and "we" have 20-30 characters <wanting to raid, we'll get our own instance and spawn our own <Hamidon. [ QUOTE ]
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Or will the first 20 of the second team go to the first hami and the last 10 get stuck in the 2nd?
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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You'd think they'd have a master fact-checker or something like that take a look at these things 
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I'm not too terribly offended by the minor faux pas.
Besides, it's possible he's just been reading ahead in the CoX story bible, and knows much more than we do. 
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I hope that the new encounter minimally accomplishes the following tasks, Villainside:
<ul type="square">[*]It must give Dominators a non-trivial role.[*]It must give Stalkers a non-trivial role.[/list]
If it can simply be squashed by buffing Brutes or Tankerminds, I'll be very ticked off. But I'm willing to wait with an open mind once Test goes public again.
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Read the article, fully before commenting. If you have, reread it again. If you still don't get why I said that, I'll gladly quote a part that voids your concern for you
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From the linked article:
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So the player cap in The Hive and The Abyss has been lowered to 50 players.
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SG/VGs allow more than 50 members.
And since it's an open zone, and not instanced, it's certainly first-come/first-serve.
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I don't see this as much of an issue:
From the linked article:
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... there's no longer a minimum time period before Hamidon will spawn again...
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Missed out? OK, let's run it again! A set of well-oiled groups (which I assume these would be as they're all SG Mates and reasonably skilled enough that they're all 45+) can easily mow through the requisite DE spawns needed to spawn Hami.
After that, it'll probably be a quick fight and that's all she wrote.
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To be honest, this isn't an official site so the reviewer are probably under some misconception about Hamidon.
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City of Heroes / City of Villains: Redesigning the Hamidon
By Christopher Bruce, Cryptic Developer
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Yeah, I actually found it a little annoying that one of the Devs knows so little about the game (even if he were trying to use "elder god" in a figurative sense) that he referred to defeating Hammi as sending it (him) back to the dimension from which he came.
Duh, read through a story arc of the game you code for once in a while.
It just looks bad to me. Cryptic's own developers (at least this one) know very little about the background of something that they are writing an article on... one that said dev knows full well is going to get published online and read by actual players.
I mean, come on, spend the 1-2 minutes it'll take to skim through the text of the arc and find the part about Hamidon being a scientist who mutated himself.
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What if it wasn't a matter of "just" a mutation? What if when he mutated himself, what actually happened was that it opened a gate to the Elder God Hamidon who then uses his body as a way into our world? What if this Elder God consumed the scientist's body in such a way so as to not require the scientist's actual body to reform here, which would explain the lack of such a body each time the Hamidon is defeated, or assuming this, repulsed from this dimension?
It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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I suspect this is quite likely. Nonetheless, I'd rather they either opened that to us as in-game information found out through playing, or didn't spoiler it for us in such an obscure way as an off-site interview.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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What if it wasn't a matter of "just" a mutation? What if when he mutated himself, what actually happened was that it opened a gate to the Elder God Hamidon who then uses his body as a way into our world? What if this Elder God consumed the scientist's body in such a way so as to not require the scientist's actual body to reform here, which would explain the lack of such a body each time the Hamidon is defeated, or assuming this, repulsed from this dimension?
It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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Very Cthulhu-ish I like it.
I find some of the strategy discussion interesting. As it is now, Holding Hami only keeps him from spawning mitos, but he continues firing his attack. It appears that the new encounter will involve having to actually deal with a couple of mito spawns, while trying to take Hami down. I suspect that there will have to be a Hami team and a Mito team working simultaneously, so the Mito team takes care of the spawned mitos while the Hami team continues to debuff and damage Hami.
Just a guess.
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About the 50 people per zone/75 members for SG thing...do you honestly know of any supergroups that have upwards of 50 level 45-50 characters that are interested in doing Hami raids? I think it'll be just fine.
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About the 50 people per zone/75 members for SG thing...do you honestly know of any supergroups that have upwards of 50 level 45-50 characters that are interested in doing Hami raids? I think it'll be just fine.
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QFT. All of the groups I'm in (and a number of them are actually full up) only have a few 50's if that.
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I find some of the strategy discussion interesting. As it is now, Holding Hami only keeps him from spawning mitos, but he continues firing his attack. It appears that the new encounter will involve having to actually deal with a couple of mito spawns, while trying to take Hami down. I suspect that there will have to be a Hami team and a Mito team working simultaneously, so the Mito team takes care of the spawned mitos while the Hami team continues to debuff and damage Hami.
Just a guess.
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ding ding ding i think we have a winner here
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To be honest, this isn't an official site so the reviewer are probably under some misconception about Hamidon.
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City of Heroes / City of Villains: Redesigning the Hamidon
By Christopher Bruce, Cryptic Developer
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Yeah, I actually found it a little annoying that one of the Devs knows so little about the game (even if he were trying to use "elder god" in a figurative sense) that he referred to defeating Hammi as sending it (him) back to the dimension from which he came.
Duh, read through a story arc of the game you code for once in a while.
It just looks bad to me. Cryptic's own developers (at least this one) know very little about the background of something that they are writing an article on... one that said dev knows full well is going to get published online and read by actual players.
I mean, come on, spend the 1-2 minutes it'll take to skim through the text of the arc and find the part about Hamidon being a scientist who mutated himself.
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What if it wasn't a matter of "just" a mutation? What if when he mutated himself, what actually happened was that it opened a gate to the Elder God Hamidon who then uses his body as a way into our world? What if this Elder God consumed the scientist's body in such a way so as to not require the scientist's actual body to reform here, which would explain the lack of such a body each time the Hamidon is defeated, or assuming this, repulsed from this dimension?
It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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I like the theory, but the fact that the scientist's name was Hamidon Pasalima before his transformation is a bit problimatic.
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What if it wasn't a matter of "just" a mutation? What if when he mutated himself, what actually happened was that it opened a gate to the Elder God Hamidon who then uses his body as a way into our world? What if this Elder God consumed the scientist's body in such a way so as to not require the scientist's actual body to reform here, which would explain the lack of such a body each time the Hamidon is defeated, or assuming this, repulsed from this dimension?
It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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I like the theory, but the fact that the scientist's name was Hamidon Pasalima before his transformation is a bit problimatic.
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Well, consider that usually Elder Gods actual names are frequently quite unpronounceable to us so we had to "name" that Elder God with the name of the person who released it! 
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I hope that the new encounter minimally accomplishes the following tasks, Villainside:
<ul type="square">[*]It must give Dominators a non-trivial role.[*]It must give Stalkers a non-trivial role.[/list]
If it can simply be squashed by buffing Brutes or Tankerminds, I'll be very ticked off. But I'm willing to wait with an open mind once Test goes public again.
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Read the article, fully before commenting. If you have, reread it again. If you still don't get why I said that, I'll gladly quote a part that voids your concern for you
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The condescension aside, just because a developer says they've addressed a problem doesn't mean they actually have, thus the need to wait and see.
From a still mostly unwanted level 50 Dom perspective, having to wait for the Stonecor teams to destroy all X and Z Mitos before holds will "sort of work" on Hami and the Y Mitos (who are probably no more difficult or easy to destroy the the other Mitos) isn't really a role but rather the delusion of a role. Hopefully they haven't gone the route of "mez won't work until it's pointless to bother," but I have very little faith that this dev team actually understands what makes players *feel* useful.
Again, I'm willing to wait and see and give them a chance -- if they've figured out a way to make Stalkers useful, there's a lot of hope -- but who can know till we get in there and try it. Villainside history doesn't give me much hope, though.
Anyway, these are apparently just the fears of some slackjawed yokel who can only barely comprehend the written word. Obviously the devs would never add content that would utterly ignore and marginalize entire ATs. Ever.
Note on the 50 instance cap and SG/VGs allowing 75 members...
When's the last time you had all 75 members of your SG/VG on at once. Usually (read:: almost always) there's alts in the ranks and usually (read:: alot) not everyone is 45+ in your SG/VG.
NOW, that being said, Coolition raids do come to mind as a reason to up the value, but I really think that 50 is sufficient.
And I like the Hami-off challenge where it's a race.
I wanna see that.
OH, and the limit thing (24 hours)
I like the idea that it's one HO per day and one Rare Recipe per day for Hami Raid.
Considering you can also get one SHO per day from STF or RSF and one (Rare Recipe?) per day, that's 2 per of each per day.
Not too unreasonable in my opinion.
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What if it wasn't a matter of "just" a mutation? What if when he mutated himself, what actually happened was that it opened a gate to the Elder God Hamidon who then uses his body as a way into our world? What if this Elder God consumed the scientist's body in such a way so as to not require the scientist's actual body to reform here, which would explain the lack of such a body each time the Hamidon is defeated, or assuming this, repulsed from this dimension?
It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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I like the theory, but the fact that the scientist's name was Hamidon Pasalima before his transformation is a bit problimatic.
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Well, consider that usually Elder Gods actual names are frequently quite unpronounceable to us so we had to "name" that Elder God with the name of the person who released it!
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There is no evidence that any Elder Gods were involved, just a horrible accident.
From the actual story arc (thanks to Red Tomax):
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Tanya Tyler's story
When you rescued her, Tanya Tyler told you:
'It's true, I did know Hamidon. back then, he was Hamidon Pasalima, the molecular biologist. he was so passionate! So concerned about the world! We fell in love.'
'But I haven't seen him in years, not since our first raid on Paragon Technological Institute. Yes, I was there. Hamidon used the facilities to create something he called 'The Will of the Earth'. A colony of sentient bacteria with the ability to warp living material on a molecular level. When the heroes came to stop us, I lost track of him. I guess I always assumed he had been killed.'
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Hamidon was transformed because he became infected with the "Will of the Earth" when several heroes attempted to stop him from making it. Now exactly who those heroes are is the real mystery.
Looks like a series of positive changes overall.
Love the 50 person cap, stop the log in at the last people, stop the grievers if you fill the zone, stops a lot of everything.
Very few SG's can grab the 50 required, but a coalition will frequently be able to.
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What if it wasn't a matter of "just" a mutation? What if when he mutated himself, what actually happened was that it opened a gate to the Elder God Hamidon who then uses his body as a way into our world? What if this Elder God consumed the scientist's body in such a way so as to not require the scientist's actual body to reform here, which would explain the lack of such a body each time the Hamidon is defeated, or assuming this, repulsed from this dimension?
It's possible there is more to this than we currently know.
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I like the theory, but the fact that the scientist's name was Hamidon Pasalima before his transformation is a bit problimatic.
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Well, consider that usually Elder Gods actual names are frequently quite unpronounceable to us so we had to "name" that Elder God with the name of the person who released it!
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There is no evidence that any Elder Gods were involved, just a horrible accident.
From the actual story arc (thanks to Red Tomax):
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Tanya Tyler's story
When you rescued her, Tanya Tyler told you:
'It's true, I did know Hamidon. back then, he was Hamidon Pasalima, the molecular biologist. he was so passionate! So concerned about the world! We fell in love.'
'But I haven't seen him in years, not since our first raid on Paragon Technological Institute. Yes, I was there. Hamidon used the facilities to create something he called 'The Will of the Earth'. A colony of sentient bacteria with the ability to warp living material on a molecular level. When the heroes came to stop us, I lost track of him. I guess I always assumed he had been killed.'
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Hamidon was transformed because he became infected with the "Will of the Earth" when several heroes attempted to stop him from making it. Now exactly who those heroes are is the real mystery.
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The "Will of the Earth" may very well have been derived from something Hamidon found in nature, it's possible that some of his research may have, unknown to him, been some sort of bio mass from some "god" that inhabited the Earth eons ago, think of it like some sort of ancient version of Shiva.
I hope that the new encounter minimally accomplishes the following tasks, Villainside:
<ul type="square">[*]It must give Dominators a non-trivial role.[*]It must give Stalkers a non-trivial role.[/list]
If it can simply be squashed by buffing Brutes or Tankerminds, I'll be very ticked off. But I'm willing to wait with an open mind once Test goes public again.