Issue 5 Features Preview: Forest of Dread
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Posted on: 2005-06-29 09:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Glad to see some info on the new issue...
My biggest beef is the use of "Mission Customization".
I figure that's some kind of internal cryptic (pun intended) name for it, but to a user that terminology is just plain misleading.
To me customization in a game is something I, the player, can do.
It is not something the developers are doing.
You need to come up with a better, less misleading, public name for it. Maybe Individualization? Or Uniqueness? etc.
But the term "Mission Customization" has got to go if it is in fact, not customization by the user.
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Although it would be nice if my own culture, beyond ninjas and anime, was well represented, creating a zone based on Momotaro seems impractical, at best. If they had made a zone with shaggy monsters, and called them Japanese shaggy monsters, heck, that would have been cool with me.
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Hey, you already got the tentacle monster and the matching schoolgirl outfits.
Even if it was not called a japanese tentacle monster.
A Kitsune showing up in some missions would be way cool though. Especially if you could not know if it was going to help or annoy you 
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I think the tentacle monster and the schoolgirl outfits would qualify as 'anime stereotypes' instead of the cultural referencesthe poster would like to see.
A Kitsune would be very cool, tho. It'd be cool to see the undeveloped wildlands next to Croatoa turn out to be filled with Shinto-style nature spirits... it'd be Princess Mononoke in Paragon City. (Or maybe a "Save the hostage Totoros!" mission?) 
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Croatoa... a place where myth and fantasy still live...
So does this mean we might get a few more European mythological costume options, huh huh does it
devil's advocate -Pogo
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The only thing I want is the whiches hat. Come on, we need those...realy.
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Yeah, we really do... 
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Although it would be nice if my own culture, beyond ninjas and anime, was well represented, creating a zone based on Momotaro seems impractical, at best. If they had made a zone with shaggy monsters, and called them Japanese shaggy monsters, heck, that would have been cool with me.
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An entire zone might be impractical, yes--but what about a section of a zone? Say a cultural/historical/entertainment sort of district? A zone with several museums (so they can move all the priceless displays out of those warehouses and office buildings), a zoo, an aquarium, and...a Japanese-themed botanical garden, centered on a shrine.
Each sector could have very distinct activities:
1) Art heists from the museums.
2) DE mutating and releasing animals from the zoo (because we really need more zones with DE ).
3) Sharks with frikkin' laser beams produced in the aquarium.
4) All sorts of trouble centered on the shrine--maybe Crey wants to bulldoze it to put in a water park, and the spirits start wreaking havoc on them. Or a kitsune decides Freaks are funny, which is actually a more frightening thought.
The Way of the Corruptor (Arc ID 49834): Hey villains! Do something for yourself for a change--like twisting the elements to your will. All that's standing in your way are a few secret societies...and Champions of the four elements.
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Croatoa... a place where myth and fantasy still live...
So does this mean we might get a few more European mythological costume options, huh huh does it
devil's advocate -Pogo
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The only thing I want is the whiches hat. Come on, we need those...realy.
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Yeah, we really do...
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*pause*
*double take*
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That wink...... 
Positron....*sigh* why do you torment us like that? I wanna know what we're getting!!
Summer Heat
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Yeah, we really do...
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BAD DEV. NO COOKIE.
Edit: Oh, I just BET there's a 'witch hat' temporary power. That would so rock.
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Although it would be nice if my own culture, beyond ninjas and anime, was well represented, creating a zone based on Momotaro seems impractical, at best. If they had made a zone with shaggy monsters, and called them Japanese shaggy monsters, heck, that would have been cool with me.
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An entire zone might be impractical, yes--but what about a section of a zone? Say a cultural/historical/entertainment sort of district? A zone with several museums (so they can move all the priceless displays out of those warehouses and office buildings), a zoo, an aquarium, and...a Japanese-themed botanical garden, centered on a shrine.
Each sector could have very distinct activities:
1) Art heists from the museums.
2) DE mutating and releasing animals from the zoo (because we really need more zones with DE ).
3) Sharks with frikkin' laser beams produced in the aquarium.
4) All sorts of trouble centered on the shrine--maybe Crey wants to bulldoze it to put in a water park, and the spirits start wreaking havoc on them. Or a kitsune decides Freaks are funny, which is actually a more frightening thought.
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That's actually not to dissmilar from a zone idea I had some time ago. Basically the idea is to get a large mix of zones in one small area, so my idea was some kind of Temporal crash. Kinda like in fault line, some villain tries to master time, but fails, and ends up causing different places from different times to smash together into a single time and place. Then you could have all sorts of places in one.
My ideas were similar: Japanese castles, rainforests, the old west, a medival castle, that sort of thing. But really you could have anything, even a part like the shadow shard fromt he end of time.
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BAD DEV. NO COOKIE.
Edit: Oh, I just BET there's a 'witch hat' temporary power. That would so rock.
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I'll take that bet.
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Positron....*sigh* why do you torment us like that?
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It's part of the devs' contracts. It was that or charge us $15.05 per month.
The return of the {drool} witches! They had {drool} such {drool} unique strategy I always {slobber} looked forward to meeting them!! umm... defeating them that is. {blush}
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I'll take that bet.
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*eyebrow*
Okay, but if I win, you have to take your armour off and run a lap around Steel Canyon while the Benny Hill theme plays in the background.
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Yeah, we really do...
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BAD DEV. NO COOKIE.
Edit: Oh, I just BET there's a 'witch hat' temporary power. That would so rock.
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I'll take that bet.
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That's it! I caught you! You play with stacked dice. Such a meanie to make a bet on something you know full well what the outcome will be and the player doesn't. 
Speaking of nifty hats, when we going to get Parrots for our shoulders? Or pirate gear? Or more Tribal themed stuff for the upcoming Bow sets?
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I'll take that bet.
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Okay, but if I win, you have to take your armour off and run a lap around Steel Canyon while the Benny Hill theme plays in the background.
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I'd think the resulting uncontrolled mutual annihalation would destroy the tape player.
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Speaking of nifty hats, when we going to get Parrots for our shoulders? Or pirate gear? Or more Tribal themed stuff for the upcoming Bow sets?
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I saw screenshots at gamespot.com of a pirate hat and a shoulder parrot, so my guess is if we do get them it will be with City of Villians.
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I'll take that bet.
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Okay, but if I win, you have to take your armour off and run a lap around Steel Canyon while the Benny Hill theme plays in the background.
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You.....DO realize that if he takes off that suit, antimatter will mix with matter, and there'll be a huge explosion. Right?
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You.....DO realize that if he takes off that suit, antimatter will mix with matter, and there'll be a huge explosion. Right?
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Meh... Details... 
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Yeah, we really do...
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BAD DEV. NO COOKIE.
Edit: Oh, I just BET there's a 'witch hat' temporary power. That would so rock.
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I'll take that bet.
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You.....DO realize that if he takes off that suit, antimatter will mix with matter, and there'll be a huge explosion. Right?
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yeeeeessss... exxxxxcellent, then my minions can...
err.. *cough cough* I mean... that would HORRIBLE!!
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Croatoa... a place where myth and fantasy still live...
So does this mean we might get a few more European mythological costume options, huh huh does it
devil's advocate -Pogo
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The only thing I want is the whiches hat. Come on, we need those...realy.
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Yeah, we really do...
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This proposal gets a thumbs up from Bella Strega.
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Awesome, cant wait for it to hit test and of course live Also want to hear about the changed to the AT's (good and bad) so I can prepair for them
Only thing that kind of, doesn't work for me, is the use of the Tuatha De Danann as a 'villain group'. Obviously you guys did some studying of Irish mythology and history. Me being Irish as well as the practitioner of the Old Religion, the Tuatha De Danann (or People of Danu (earth/creation goddess) for those who don't speak gaelic hehe) are a holy people and many are even worshipped as saints by modern organized religion.
Couldn't we find a different name for the 'nature monsters' besides basicly defacing the holy peoples of ancient ireland, and thus the religious beliefs of people who consider them their ancestors today?
There are other 'beasts' and 'villains' in ancient ireland besides the Fir Bolg. The Fomorians for example pre-date the Tuatha De Danann as a people who laid siege to the peaceful citizens of early ireland and would probably make a more suitable 'villain group'.
Just some suggestions but really if your going to use the Tuatha De Danann in the game, make them magical but fairly peaceful. You could even move forward in time and use the more war like 'decendants' of the De Danann known as the Fenians. They were warlike protectors of their land and closely tied to nature and would work wonderfully in your new zone.
I suppose I am probably one of a rare few out of the player base who is affected by this. Really using the Tuatha De Danann as a villain group wouldn't bother me to much because this is just a game of course. But it'd be on my mind when ever I entered the zone.. and I'd always somehow feel.. disturbed by it.
Just a thought. But I'm sure if you used a modern religious group or set of gods as a villain group you'd find others with the same, or worse feelings then I have, and probably an outcry from the community. However with likely so few of us being of the Old Religions, that isn't going to happen with the use of the Tuatha De Danann.
"m, how would you know? Have you spoken to your ancestors lately? With all respect to your personal beliefs, there simply is no record of what people believed back then"
You haven't examined much archeology of the region then I suppose. There is a plethora of archelogical evidence that shows they were worshipped as gods. Writings, art, and more. Many many items have been found detailing the Tuatha De Danann and other 'british isles' pagan gods that are very good evidence of the isle's ancient past. Not to mention that, as I said above, many are even 'worshiped' today in the form of several saints as well as other noteworthy figures in modern organized religions (mostly christianity.) To think that such detailed and extensive histories and mythologies were just.. made up and that such information is totally false or that there is no evidence, is wrong. Sorry but it's wrong.
I raised the same objections a few pages back... you can take a look and see how it turned out 
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You.....DO realize that if he takes off that suit, antimatter will mix with matter, and there'll be a huge explosion. Right?
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Still funny when put to the Benny Hill theme music.....
Here is the entire population of Steel Canyon.
They don't know how not to be seen.
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You.....DO realize that if he takes off that suit, antimatter will mix with matter, and there'll be a huge explosion. Right?
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Still funny when put to the Benny Hill theme music.....
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Agreed, although explosions and resulting carnage are more of a Monty Python touch, really.
You know what? Scrap the Hellion dealie--for the Steel Canyon zone event we should have to contain Positron, running around in his skivvies and flailing his arms like one of Paragon's finest.
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You know what? Scrap the Hellion dealie--for the Steel Canyon zone event we should have to contain Positron, running around in his skivvies and flailing his arms like one of Paragon's finest.
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Badge: You caught Positron in his underwear! How you got in his underwear, though, we'll never know...."
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The Tuatha de Dannan and the Fir Bolg? Weren't they ancient Irish clans? Why are they monsters?
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Are you trying to appeal to realism over mythology?
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