I honestly hope we haven't given up already. Have you given up?

Originally Posted by Another_Fan

You are deluded

Originally Posted by Bad_Influence

If I pay for it, I consider it mine. I own three different disc copies of this game; I bought innumerable super packs and costume pieces and power sets.

I do consider them mine. They were not rentals: I paid for them in perpetuity. They are therefore mine.

I will be thinking very, very carefully before I hand over more real-world cash to an MMO. VERY carefully. I imagine I am not alone in that.

Originally Posted by Thunder Knight

This. Exactly this.

Also, don't forget:

5. Just move on and find another game. Just because you've been playing video games all your life and CoH is the only MMO you've ever played that does just about everything in a way you enjoy doesn't mean you can't just instantly replace it with another game.

My main form of relaxation is being taken away, but it's okay, because I can console myself knowing that NCSoft is doing whatever they like with their own property without any regard to its customers' wishes!

I should be happy, knowing that I am a powerless gnat who can lose things he enjoys at on the whims of faceless corporations thousands of miles away!

I should be thrilled as I watch as one of the few development studios to actually talk to and care about their players is gutted and scattered to the four winds!

... seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people?

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

I suppose that boils down to actually getting power to these other places. More often than not, whenever 'more advanced' nations try to help the less fortunate ones, the poodoo always finds a way to hit the fan. And then there are groups people who are perfectly happy without electricity, even though it is well within their means to acquire it if they wished.

If I was going to try and define greed mathematically, my first thought would be to use scalable percentage relative to whatever the accepted poverty line is.

I've been at that line before, and internet/gaming was the only pleasantry I partook in during that time. But that resulted in me being unable to accumulate money. It was always 'just enough to get by' at best. My ideal living conditions? All I really wanted to be different, is to not be afraid of breaking a leg and being unable to get it fixed, or worrying whether or not the heater was going to fail. If I were rich, there's very little I would want to change, except for maybe a vacation. The rest of that money would either be given back, or maybe into entertainment for the masses (preferably the ones who are currently being ignored). I have little need for material things.

On the other end of the spectrum, like what you were saying about millionaires not thinking they're rich, you have people who were made an example of during the election. Those who were fighting against a higher tax for the rich, and citing things like only having a few 100k leftover per year after dealing with all the necessities. And they treat it like it's hard living. That's pretty extreme. To me, the boundary between rich and not isn't whether you have a shiny car in your driveway or can go to Tahiti for a month every year. It's whether or not you have to be afraid of what tomorrow brings, and whether or not it's actually catastrophic. If you don't have to worry about what happens if your car gets wrecked, or you get sick, etc, you don't tense up when the utility bills come in the mail, that's wealthy.

But that kind of greed is at least easier to grasp. People who eat caviar when there are kids who can't afford rice, have a much bigger buffer between their actions and the suffering. That is a lot easier to believe than when someone fires a whole town, pays farms to not grow food for the purpose of driving up prices (and causing famine in the process), lobbies for regulations to make it impossible for small businesses (and potential new competitors) to survive, etc. We're getting off on a pretty stray tangent now though. The kind of trouble I was discussing before, isn't about just hurting one group of people or another. It's something that will come back to bite EVERYONE in the **** eventually, the super-rich included. I'm sure it's possible to enjoy oneself while still achieving some sort of equilibrium with what nature can provide. Or at the very least, extend our livability on Earth past the point where we can expand outward into the galaxy. But that's probably me being overly optimistic. The sad truth may be that faster-than-light travel is not possible, and Earth is all we will ever have. If we are indeed trapped here by the laws of physics, we will drastically need to alter our perceptions or one of two things will happen. We will either be catapulted back to the stone-age, or will face mass extinction.

Originally Posted by Bad_Influence

Excellent points.

Replacing this game is like your dog dying and some moron telling you, "No big deal! Just go out and get a new puppy, today! Any puppy will do, and by the way grieving for your dog is only something done by stone idiots. So get going! Go get that new puppy! TODAY!"

CluelessCluelessClueLESS, was born WITHOUT A HINT OF A CLUE, EVER. [Not you, people telling us this.]

p.s. this exact type of s*** is why I will never, ever buy into "cloud computing." Giving some faceless corporation total power over my stuff? Great idea. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!

Originally Posted by akaime

If NCSoft wants to sit on CoH is their right, people bought a client that they are allow to run, just that the servers after Nov 31th will be on permanent maintenance.

Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast

So no...comparing the death of ANYTHING living is not the same as an MMO shutting down.

Originally Posted by akaime

What society should try to do is to give a fair chance to everybody to seek their happiness.

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

What does or doesn't need feeding is irrelevant to the validity of the metaphor. You seriously can't see how it applies?

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Luckily, some companies do just that:






To find out more about their visions and goals, go here: http://global.ncsoft.com/global/abou...siongoals.aspx

Originally Posted by akaime

Greed and ambition as a part of selfishness is a natural way of individuals to assure their preferencial survival and their genes passing to a next generation.

Without greed most inventions we enjoy wouldn't be here or at most in a really primitive state.
Social class resentment is used by politician as a tool to move people the way they want.

About poverty line, I would say that when the person does not know if they can eat the next day, and a place to protect them from the weather conditions.

Being worry is pretty much about a choice, cubans has "free" medical attention, they don't have to worry about the car they don't have and they get their monthly rations, so not worries they must be rich people.

What society should try to do is to give a fair chance to everybody to seek their happiness. That might imply some help, but also a lot of responsability that politicians tend to forget in the name of their demagogy.

If NCSoft wants to sit on CoH is their right, people bought a client that they are allow to run, just that the servers after Nov 31th will be on permanent maintenance.

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

That's nice. It's hindering our society more than helping it now and should be removed. Or the 'natural order' will probably do it for us and throw out the baby with the bathwater.

And poverty, the problem with "bare minimum" is you're not really in a stable environment. It's only stable if luck ignores everyone else and never deals Murphy's Law to you. Just because you're doing fine one month, doesn't mean a thing come the next one. When all it takes is a single breakdown of a car, or a colder than normal winter to put you in the red, that's not stable.

Inventions... we could actually be way more backward than we are now if the systems of greed existed before we started using tools. Just imagine if the patent system had been around at the dawn of civilization. We'd hardly be anywhere because nobody could afford to pay to use fire, and every simple machine. Things that are the basis for practically every piece of technology we have. Imagine if licensing had been around and every time you used a hammer on a new job, you had to pay for an additional license for the hammer.

I agree that the government needs to do something, even if nobody knows exactly what it is they need to do. What I see as the most basic problem with the whole thing is, I find it ridiculous that the thriftiest person in the world, with a minimum wage job, will not be able to afford the basic necessities. NO job should be incapable of supporting a worker (provided the worker isn't being a shopaholic) above the poverty level. That the only houses being built anymore are mansions doesn't help things any either. You certainly hit on something that has always irked me about happiness though. In our society, nobody really has a right to pursue happiness. That's only a privilege. So while the classic phrase, "Money can't buy happiness", while accurate, only shows half the picture. Nobody is happy if they have to constantly worry about losing their home, electric, heat, etc. Yes, money can't buy happiness. But what it can buy, is the freedom to pursue it. The pursuit of happiness isn't free. You need a license, and the fee is pretty hefty for many.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

Hyper is right. It's not a delusion. Chicagonians have been exposed to lousy Chicago pizza for so long it's not only destroyed their pizza palate, it's also altered their DNA on a genetic level in order to survive and has thus rendered them incapable of enjoying really good pizza.

That's why Hyper has such a hard time finding decent pizza shops in Chicago. They need to breed with outsiders from other parts of the country in order to restore pizza palate genes.

Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast

NCSoft made me happy for over 7 years with CoH so in my eyes they achieved their goal/mission statement.

Originally Posted by BrandX

Agreed.

Still don't like the game shutting down though :/

Really, I knew at some point it would (Anyone who didn't think it would shut down at some point, was just being stupid)...but still...it came out of the blue! No warning. I thought I'd see less and less updates, a shrinking population...instead it was "BOOM! You're game is over!"

Knowing it would happen one day and being ready for it, obviously two different things.

Originally Posted by Another_Fan

There is no intrinsic reason why this game could not have continued indefinitely. People are still playing 50+ year old video games and enjoying them. I expect that 100 years from now nethack and spacewar will still be played provided the technological infrastucture is still available. People are still playing thousands of year old games.

As to no warning that is just sily. There was an insane amount of warning. It was their for you to see. All anyone had to do was look at NCsoft's financials or any of the posts where people were shouting out "WE ARE IN TROUBLE". Instead people on the forums chose to look at numbers that showed a game that couldn't sustain any growth and somehow say how wonderful it was doing.

If you wanted to save the game you needed to hold torch vigils when Castle was driving people away from the game, when Posi was ranting at people for not having a moral compass. You could have joined with me in trying to get incarnate content made into something that actually fit well into the game instead of a game destroying grind.

I mean really didn't the idea of being forced and bribed to do incarnate content set off a lightbulb that maybe having content that was so awful that you had to reward people with game breaking tools was a bad idea ?

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

What video game is 50+ years that is still around aka one that been around since 1962 I think it is to be 50?

Originally Posted by Another_Fan

There is no intrinsic reason why this game could not have continued indefinitely. People are still playing 50+ year old video games and enjoying them. I expect that 100 years from now nethack and spacewar will still be played provided the technological infrastucture is still available. People are still playing thousands of year old games.

As to no warning that is just sily. There was an insane amount of warning. It was their for you to see. All anyone had to do was look at NCsoft's financials or any of the posts where people were shouting out "WE ARE IN TROUBLE". Instead people on the forums chose to look at numbers that showed a game that couldn't sustain any growth and somehow say how wonderful it was doing.

If you wanted to save the game you needed to hold torch vigils when Castle was driving people away from the game, when Posi was ranting at people for not having a moral compass. You could have joined with me in trying to get incarnate content made into something that actually fit well into the game instead of a game destroying grind.

I mean really didn't the idea of being forced and bribed to do incarnate content set off a lightbulb that maybe having content that was so awful that you had to reward people with game breaking tools was a bad idea ?

Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon

(NY style ain't bad, but it ain't deep dish.)

Originally Posted by GreatRock

Oh, seeing as we're all leaving anyway, I'll just say this:


Evil_Legacy, you were my least favorite person on the forums. You were an unfunny doomcaller who couldn't stop raining on everyone's parade to think about any of the incorrect drivel you post in these hallowed threads. I don't know who you think you are, but I can say this: You are a terrible person and a worse forumite.

That is all.

Seriously, I love all you guys... but not that guy.

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

What video game is 50+ years that is still around aka one that been around since 1962 I think it is to be 50?