I honestly hope we haven't given up already. Have you given up?
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Ael Rhiana,
Posted on: 2012-11-08 17:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Whether or not that is true, in this case E_L is correct. 50+ years ago was 1962. The most current computer game at that time was called Spacewar and it was played on the PDP-1 computer.|
Originally Posted by GreatRock
Oh, seeing as we're all leaving anyway, I'll just say this:
Evil_Legacy, you were my least favorite person on the forums. You were an unfunny doomcaller who couldn't stop raining on everyone's parade to think about any of the incorrect drivel you post in these hallowed threads. I don't know who you think you are, but I can say this: You are a terrible person and a worse forumite. That is all. Seriously, I love all you guys... but not that guy. |
Know anyone that owns one of these outside of a museum?
The two computer games before that in 1959 were Mouse in the Maze and Tic Tac Toe played on the TX-0.
Before this was the game Tennis for Two from 1958 which was played on an analog computer and vector display of an oscilloscope
And in 1952 Noughts and Crosses was played on the EDSAC computer
In 1951 the game of Nim was played on the NIMROD computer. The first computer specifically designed to play a computer game.
Before that the game of chess was programmed to play on the Ferranti Mark I but could only be programmed to solve mate in two moves.
And finally the first computer gamemade in 1947 was a missle simulator designed to be played on a cathode ray tube amusement device. The game was never marketed or sold to the public.
Now the first Arcade game called Galaxy Game was released in 1971
Two months later another company released Computer Space.
1972 saw the release of the first two home video game consoles.
Pong and Odyssy
So no people are not still playing 50+ year old computer games.
Edit: And actual "Video" games weren't sold until the 70's.
This thread perfectly encapsulates the CoH forum community.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
This thread perfectly encapsulates the CoH forum community.
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But we are missing the My little pony pics.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard.  Never change, E_L! |
I gave up on the game when the server population went kaput. Which was sometime in mid September. Now I'm just logging in to finish up a few arcs and put my OCD for this game to bed.
I gave up on the "spiritual successor" to this game (Plan Z or whatever) when I saw who was in charge of it and how they were organized. Totally not going to end in anything but bickering and a seriously screwed up set of game mechanics.
Its OK though....this game was getting faded and dated, it was time to move on to something else. NCSoft just forced it to happen a little sooner than I expected. No big deal.
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I totally got my moneys worth of happiness out of this game. So in my eyes, they are a bunch of over-achievers. Not all that credit goes to NCSoft, of course. Much of it goes to Cryptic directly. But still.....
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
 To find out more about their visions and goals, go here: http://global.ncsoft.com/global/abou...siongoals.aspx |
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Pretty much, except I gave up on the game a few months before the announcement. The game became a less fun WoW with incarnate trials, and trying to do anything else felt like a waste of time.|
Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
I gave up on the game when the server population went kaput. Which was sometime in mid September. Now I'm just logging in to finish up a few arcs and put my OCD for this game to bed.
I gave up on the "spiritual successor" to this game (Plan Z or whatever) when I saw who was in charge of it and how they were organized. Totally not going to end in anything but bickering and a seriously screwed up set of game mechanics. Its OK though....this game was getting faded and dated, it was time to move on to something else. NCSoft just forced it to happen a little sooner than I expected. No big deal. I totally got my moneys worth of happiness out of this game. So in my eyes, they are a bunch of over-achievers. Not all that credit goes to NCSoft, of course. Much of it goes to Cryptic directly. But still..... |
Sometimes I would get inspired to make a new character. I would log in, then I realized most of my costume ideas need to be purchased in the shop, the powers as well (and not to mention having to bust open a thesaurus), and when I finally managed to make something serviceable, I get dropped into a laggy tutorial with an event at the end I have to do twice because if you don't get in right away as it starts, it doesn't count that you completed it. Couple this with going into a dead AP, the game just became uninteresting and no one was doing anything else besides itrials and the new shiny praetoria and Dark Astoria.
That was the best case scenario. Most of the time for the months leading up to me just ending my subscription were me having idea and just logging out when I couldn't do anything with it.
Uhm why did you have to do the tutorial? After the first time it becomes an option.
I rarely purchased costume pieces, but I did buy a few power sets. I had no issues with the Hybrid model (Freedom) as I was a VIP. I also loved the Incarnate content; gave me something to do post 50. I have never played WoW but from my understanding the itrials were nothing like the end game raids there.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Pretty much, except I gave up on the game a few months before the announcement. The game became a less fun WoW with incarnate trials, and trying to do anything else felt like a waste of time.
Sometimes I would get inspired to make a new character. I would log in, then I realized most of my costume ideas need to be purchased in the shop, the powers as well (and not to mention having to bust open a thesaurus), and when I finally managed to make something serviceable, I get dropped into a laggy tutorial with an event at the end I have to do twice because if you don't get in right away as it starts, it doesn't count that you completed it. Couple this with going into a dead AP, the game just became uninteresting and no one was doing anything else besides itrials and the new shiny praetoria and Dark Astoria. That was the best case scenario. Most of the time for the months leading up to me just ending my subscription were me having idea and just logging out when I couldn't do anything with it. |
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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I would like to add that although we players tried to keep the game alive with the resources we had available - it failed. The game is done at the end of the month.
The reason I say this is there is a group making ***** of themselves on a particular website and its shameful the game dies with this core group of fans behaving irrationally and paranoid. Get over it, you probably spent too much time on the mmo, you probably made sacrifices to real life relationships in the playing of this game, but make amends with your poor decisions and get back to reality or drop out into another mmo. This march behind some twit trying to sell you her books is getting sillier every day.
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Before some of those pogues from that site starts pointing a finger my way:|
Originally Posted by Dauphine
I would like to add that although we players tried to keep the game alive with the resources we had available - it failed. The game is done at the end of the month.
The reason I say this is there is a group making ***** of themselves on a particular website and its shameful the game dies with this core group of fans behaving irrationally and paranoid. Get over it, you probably spent too much time on the mmo, you probably made sacrifices to real life relationships in the playing of this game, but make amends with your poor decisions and get back to reality or drop out into another mmo. This march behind some twit trying to sell you her books is getting sillier every day. |
I aint do it, aint another account I created, and its not an E_L plot.
But glad he said it so I dont have to say it again.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Not sure what your last line is referencing; Mercedes Lackey?? Granted I don't read every thread, but I have never seen her trying to get people to buy her books. For the most part I have no issues with ML; except for her kibun...don't get me started on that.
I go to that other site, but don't participate anymore. I simply read the threads and giggle to myself at the insanity that is seen as reality.
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Originally Posted by Dauphine
I would like to add that although we players tried to keep the game alive with the resources we had available - it failed. The game is done at the end of the month.
The reason I say this is there is a group making ***** of themselves on a particular website and its shameful the game dies with this core group of fans behaving irrationally and paranoid. Get over it, you probably spent too much time on the mmo, you probably made sacrifices to real life relationships in the playing of this game, but make amends with your poor decisions and get back to reality or drop out into another mmo. This march behind some twit trying to sell you her books is getting sillier every day. |
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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LOL... just another NCSoft employee 
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Before some of those pogues from that site starts pointing a finger my way:
I aint do it, aint another account I created, and its not an E_L plot. But glad he said it so I dont have to say it again. |
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So no people are not still playing 50+ year old computer games. Edit: And actual "Video" games weren't sold until the 70's. |
http://www.old-games.com/download/2862/space-war
That must be a figment of my imagination.
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Spacewar still lives. The basic pong/tennis game was made on an analog computer in the 40s and used an oscilloscope as a display. Still going and I expect they will be around as long as their is the tech to make electronic games. |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
What video game is 50+ years that is still around aka one that been around since 1962 I think it is to be 50?
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Want to go slightly younger you have games like net trek, rogue, any variety of physics based games like cannon shoot that are not only still around but you can play in so many different variants its mind boggling.
When anyone said this game was destined for doom they were talking out of their rear. I don't see the Disney corporation going "You know our mickey mouse character is going away time to move on". The people who kept saying the game was destined for death and that it was doing really well were all people that were acting to shield the developers from the consequences of bad decisions. I expect some really believed in the concept, having seen it shouted at them on the forums, others just wanted to be friendly with the developers.
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That link doesn't disprove what he said whatsoever. I read it carefully.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
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I dont think this game made anywhere near the amount of money mickey mouse pulled in. More like maybe the amount of money that "Victory Through Air Power" cartoon. Significant during the time but mostly forgotten now and days and no plans on reviving it although other cartoons of that era have been re-released and or redone. |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Spacewar still lives. The basic pong/tennis game was made on an analog computer in the 40s and used an oscilloscope as a display. Still going and I expect they will be around as long as their is the tech to make electronic games.
Want to go slightly younger you have games like net trek, rogue, any variety of physics based games like cannon shoot that are not only still around but you can play in so many different variants its mind boggling. When anyone said this game was destined for doom they were talking out of their rear. I don't see the Disney corporation going "You know our mickey mouse character is going away time to move on". The people who kept saying the game was destined for death and that it was doing really well were all people that were acting to shield the developers from the consequences of bad decisions. I expect some really believed in the concept, having seen it shouted at them on the forums, others just wanted to be friendly with the developers. |
Well given tha amount of time for that game to make a come-back, what about 40 years and only looks like one guy at first until Win 98s. That means what version of Windows we have to wait until COX come back out in the same manner? But given that those games were small, and relatively simple and it took decades for them to revive it, dont looks too good for someone doing the same thing to COX while we are living.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Going to assume you mean Mercedes Lackey.|
Originally Posted by Dauphine
This march behind some twit trying to sell you her books is getting sillier every day.
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If this assumption is correct, look again bub.
Other than making ONE mention that her last book made best seller over on the Titan forums, she has NOT been hawking her product and was doing her best to put her own name and credibility on the line to support the movement to save CoH.
You may not like her work. That's cool.
But out and out accusing someone of trying to profiteer off using CoH's closure as advertisement is just outrageous.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Keeping servers up and running costs money. If it doesn't have the player base to make a profit. Then no, I don't see a game lasting indeffinently. Even if there is a group who still want to play it.
To my knowledge, the game was making money. To me, not making money would be the warning. I could obviously be mistaken in that the game wasnt making money. But to my knowledge, it wasn't that it wasn't making money, it's that it wasn't making enough money. I wasn't for the Incarnate storyline. I wasn't even really for MA. I wasn't for the change of the PvP system.I didn't feel bribed to play Incarnate content, I felt it was more the games way of going beyond level 50, which people wanted, and if you go up in levels, lower level content gets easier. And I disagreed on things all the time. I was vocal on the things I disagreed with. I also recall having a bigger group usually against me or told "it's not going to change, we're just testing it for bugs now" |
Server cost is minimal but that is off the point. I don't doubt that you liked the changes everyone still here at the end was by definition someone who was pleased enough with things that they were still playing. The problem is all the people who left and never looked back.
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Spacewar never went away. In the 70s it became an arcade game, in the 80s you could find it on consoles and on the pc. |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
I dont think this game made anywhere near the amount of money mickey mouse pulled in. More like maybe the amount of money that "Victory Through Air Power" cartoon. Significant during the time but mostly forgotten now and days and no plans on reviving it although other cartoons of that era have been re-released and or redone.
Well given tha amount of time for that game to make a come-back, what about 40 years and only looks like one guy at first until Win 98s. That means what version of Windows we have to wait until COX come back out in the same manner? But given that those games were small, and relatively simple and it took decades for them to revive it, dont looks too good for someone doing the same thing to COX while we are living. |
Now you can play it on your phone
http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/space-war
COX never had to go away, it was run into the ground. Take a look at that revenue graph for CoX
Then go here http://mmodata.net/ and take a look at the 150k to 1 mil sub chart. You see games with upward sloping sub numbers and then you have games that spike and drop.
CoH was spike and drop it could never get any growth in it's revenue why ? Because all the crap that was about the health of the game was about the developer teams whim of the moment. You can't build a business without consistent execution and follow through.
Take a look at how end game content was handled. Our playerbase was "happy" with the task force and raid model we had. Sure there were things that needed improvement. Hami needed some way to keep leaches out, there were some really bad Task Forces, and a major lack of content in that 40-50 zone. Did we get expansion of what we had ? Improvements to what was in the game ? No we had developers trying to show they could do the same crap wow does.
Remember when the CoP was re-introduced ? and flopped like a dying flounder ? What was the reponse to this.
1. It was a priority to make this game look like stupid fantasy game X
2. People who are playing have been playing but don't fit into fantasy game X aren't who we want but we need a population to make fantasy game X players happy.
3. Shovel current players into the fantasy game X content by putting game breaking rewards and nearly impossible to obtain badges behind the content.
A sensible business would have said our customers are reacting badly to this direction. Instead of mistaking people who have been supporting us endlessly and feel an inexplicable fondness for us, for toilet paper let us instead try to expand on our offerings of the things the do like and adapt what they don't like into something more palatable.
What did happen ? We got an endless parade of Itrials that involved more standing around than playing the game. The rewards from existing content were nerfed into oblivion. We got content that used mechanics that were stolen wholesale from other games that people playing here didn't like, didn't want and looked like they had no business being here.
Admittedly some things worked, combo mechanics in powersets comes to mind so do the superpacks. What do they have in common ? They both really were optional. The builder consumer powersets really were optional and you could get the vast majority of the superpack content without ever buying a superpack. Compare this to Itrials. Incarnate content was initially optional, you could do the unlock and just keep on doing things and continue to advance. You got your shards from doing things you liked and you moved on.
Then came along incarnate content. You are now forced to participate in a small set of content if you want your character to advance. You have no choice. You go from an optional and ala carte format to a shove down your throat format.
One amongst many. How many people do you think said "who the f**k does this guy think he is ?" when Positron decided to erase their work collecting AE badges ? People who had hami-O builds and didn't take kindly to having them erased ? Energy melee players ? PvPers ? People who liked dominators ? People that had 0 love for the blaster changes coming down.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Spacewar never went away. In the 70s it became an arcade game, in the 80s you could find it on consoles and on the pc.
Now you can play it on your phone http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/space-war COX never had to go away, it was run into the ground. Take a look at that revenue graph for CoX Then go here http://mmodata.net/ and take a look at the 150k to 1 mil sub chart. You see games with upward sloping sub numbers and then you have games that spike and drop. CoH was spike and drop it could never get any growth in it's revenue why ? Because all the crap that was about the health of the game was about the developer teams whim of the moment. You can't build a business without consistent execution and follow through |
So when it could never get any growth in the revenue, you know what usually happens to those products? They are usually sent out the pasture after a while. It's like employees.
You think they are going to rid of the boss's protege even if that joker is a "wtff" person? Hell naw, the one that goes is that that one that on the borderline that is just making it. They aint going to fire the guy bring the company in tons of money just yet, and they aint going to fire the company "golden boy" no matter how over rated he is. But that guy that toils day in and day out but dont bring much in, is going to go when it comes down to realignments and cut backs. COX is that one that been toiling along not costing the company money but just bringing in a little bit. GW/GW2 as it seems is raking how have raked in a lot so that isnt going anywhere. B&S is the up and coming Golden Boy so that is staying. Aion/Lineage seems to be a boss's favorite type. So that leaves COX.
Of course everyone understands cut backs until they are part of the part that is getting let go.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Sadly, yes, I have given up. The game will not be saved. Sure, I still hope it will be, and that at least Positron and War Witch will continue to work on it (since a significant portion of the rest of Paragon Studios is already employed elsewhere), but that's the same kind of hope I have when I play the lottery. Main difference is I imagine my odds of winning the lottery are slightly better.
Even if the game was sold off at some point (and I am quite certain that it will not be), it wouldn't have the same dev team, and I don't know if we'd get the same quality of game we've been getting. Sure, it could actually be better, but I doubt it.
So, as much as I wish it wasn't, CoH is done. I still dislike NCSoft for it. I'd say I won't be buying any of their other games as a result, but I hadn't planned on buying any of their other games anyway, so it's rather meaningless. I do know I'll be keeping my eyes open to see where the rest of the devs end up and watching those projects carefully. Most of the creative folks at PS who have found new jobs have, unfortunately, found jobs with companies I am not terribly interested in (Dr. Aeon working on STO, for example), but I still wish them the best.
As for Plan Z... it's a nice thought, and I won't say it's impossible for it to work out well, but it's pretty close to it, I'd think.
Virtue 50s:
Ice/Ice Blaster, Fire/Fire Dominator, Mind/Emp Controller, Shield/Axe Tanker, Spines/Regen Scrapper, Rad/Pain Corruptor, Petless Thugs/Traps MM(WHY!?), Widow
A zillion alts on Virtue and elsewhere.
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I hope they enjoy it, looks like a fun B.S. session going on over there. It's also nice to see that they have something to take away from this
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Not sure what your last line is referencing; Mercedes Lackey?? Granted I don't read every thread, but I have never seen her trying to get people to buy her books. For the most part I have no issues with ML; except for her kibun...don't get me started on that.
I go to that other site, but don't participate anymore. I simply read the threads and giggle to myself at the insanity that is seen as reality. |
And people just cruise by the question I asked.
They say "Find another game! CoH just stole stuff from other games! You'd be surprised how much CoH was just stealing the bad stuff from those games!"
Then I make a list of what I enjoyed about CoH and would want in a replacement, and ask what game they're talking about, the one that does all those things better than CoH.
And then those same people suddenly stop responding to me.
Did you think the question was rhetorical? It wasn't.
If you point me to a game that does even half of that list better than CoH (and runs on a Mac - that item on the list is not optional) I'll happily go check it out.
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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
They say "Find another game! CoH just stole stuff from other games! You'd be surprised how much CoH was just stealing the bad stuff from those games!"
Then I make a list of what I enjoyed about CoH and would want in a replacement, and ask what game they're talking about, the one that does all those things better than CoH. And then those same people suddenly stop responding to me. |
Some may look at it as being "too fussy". Pfft. I played this game for very specific reasons, and it retained me for very specific reasons.
Simply because other games are mechanically similar/identical doesn't mean I want to play them.
It's like replacing an Audi A8 with a Volkswagen Beetle.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
It's like replacing an Audi A8 with a Volkswagen Beetle.
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Oh wait, you said BEETLE not Bug. Nevermind For a second I thought you was trashing my main car Herbie, and we was gonna have to throw down.
Yeah Audi's mop the floor with Beetles.
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It would make sense, actually. I had never heard of this Lackey chick before everyone said "omg! Mercedes Lackey wants CoH saved!" But now I'm aware of her existence. And I'm sure a lot of goodwill will be going towards her after CoH dies, and that may just translate to higher book sales. It's a good marketing scheme, if true.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Going to assume you mean Mercedes Lackey.
If this assumption is correct, look again bub. Other than making ONE mention that her last book made best seller over on the Titan forums, she has NOT been hawking her product and was doing her best to put her own name and credibility on the line to support the movement to save CoH. You may not like her work. That's cool. But out and out accusing someone of trying to profiteer off using CoH's closure as advertisement is just outrageous. |
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
-Female Player-
"Kick Rocks."
I laffed so hard.