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I've given up. I've been dealing with plenty of challenges in my life and losing CoH, however dear it is to me, is one challenge that I don't honestly have much energy to spend on right now.

I guess it's not so much "given up" as a recognition that NCSoft is a completely unreasonable corporation that has no interest in it's loyal customers. It clearly feels that we're not important and so it made it's decision and then reaffirmed that decision on Oct 2nd, and now it will take a cataclysm to make it change that perspective.
That's pretty much how I feel.

I'm just hanging onto my saved characters and waiting for a certain guy to figure out his emu. I bought the damn game - I feel no guilt whatsoever in playing an emu after they've CANCELLED the damn thing.


 

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Sad to see the game closing but NCSoft have made up their minds on that,they will not release the IP in case they are shown up for the incompetent twats they are if someone else made a great success of the game.They never spent a penny on promoting the game expecting the players to do it for them via word of mouth and the great video,s the the more talented players were making.I take my hats of to those who can do such great work for no reward other than their love of a great game.I will be here playing till the plug is pulled,but before I go I will take screen shots of all my characters just so that I have something to remember of the 6.5 years I have spent playing this MMO and it has been my only one.
I will also take this time to say bye to all the people I have had the honour to team with good luck in any future game that you play just make sure its not an NCSoft game as they are sure to screw their customers again when they have the next "change of focus".


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We're still doing everything that we can - but if things don't work out, then the campaign to get NCSoft to give us back our game will continuie past December 1st.


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Plan Z at best will be a forum game.
Lol.... so true.


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We're still doing everything that we can - but if things don't work out,
...they won't. Oh, and before I forget:


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I accepted that the game was being shut down not too long after it was announced. If a stable emulator appears on my radar I might check it out, particularly if it can be run offline. If Plan Z becomes more than so much vapour it might interest me. In the meantime, ChO is more than adequately filling CoH's shoes for me in every way except number of character slots - so much so that I'm not sure I'd continue a sub for CoH even if it miraculously got an *official* stay of execution.


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In the meantime, ChO is more than adequately filling CoH's shoes for me in every way except number of character slots
Blech, I just do not like Champs. I don't like the character design style, the gameplay... nothing about it. (Well, actually, I DO like that it's cel-shaded, which I understand a lot of people dislike.) It's just... not fun, and it's ugly.

I plan on giving DCUO a whirl next month, just to see if it's better than Champs. My hopes are not high.


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The time to save CoH was 4-5 years ago. It went terminal when the revenue graph took that sharp drop after I13.
Oooh, I love this game. Let's see... I think the game actually died 7 years ago when they allowed people to play villains.

Because if you keep predicting the end of something long enough, eventually you'll be right.


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Oooh, I love this game. Let's see... I think the game actually died 7 years ago when they allowed people to play villains.

Because if you keep predicting the end of something long enough, eventually you'll be right.
If you see someone driving off the edge of a cliff you'll be correct as well. It's mighty funny when the people in car say "Bahh we were planning on falling over the edge"

For three of those years players were treated as a disposable asset. Some came to the forums to try and have the games problems dealt with most just left. There are simple things that constitute customer service and providing a quality product. For every person who felt motivated to come to the forums and talk about problems like not being able to get teams because their server pops were drying up, who was pissed because castle had a case of indigestion and decided to take it on the players, or just plain didn't like the fact that there wasn't content coming out, and the changes to the game were making it more and more and grindy, you can be certain there were 10s to 100s that just left without saying a word.


I don't even want to go into the rage over nerfs. I just bought performance shifters from the store and you're nerfing them ? Are you giving me my money back ? Refund in points ? Credit for some consumables ? Oh you are changing your sign to all sales are final ? "Gee we are changing how Hami-Os work", You do understand that it took people 10s to 100s of hours to get their stashes of those things.

It really doesn't take much to understand if you screw with your customers they don't stick around. It also shouldn't be hard to understand that you have to own your mistakes and make them right by the customer.


 

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We're still doing everything that we can - but if things don't work out, then the campaign to get NCSoft to give us back our game will continue past December 1st.
There is an old quote about the difference between neurotics and psychotics.

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Blech, I just do not like Champs. I don't like the character design style, the gameplay... nothing about it. (Well, actually, I DO like that it's cel-shaded, which I understand a lot of people dislike.) It's just... not fun, and it's ugly.
I don't mind the style, though I understand finding such things unpalatable to the point of being put off a game completely. And I much prefer action-oriented gameplay for a superhero game (though I must admit that I've longed for a decent *turn-based* superhero RPG on occasion). I particularly like that my characters *feel* powerful in that game without having to jump through a bunch of merit/market/crafting hoops. Also, the PnP gamer in me likes having ability scores to mess around with even in a limited fashion. And the game seems a bit less grindy, which is a plus for me. And I prefer freeform power selection - it was one of the things I was looking forward to in this game before it was nixed. Different strokes and all that.

Of course, with a few mods this game would still be competing for (though not wholly consuming) my entertainment time, which is why I'd be particularly interested in an emulator I could run offline.


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And I prefer freeform power selection - it was one of the things I was looking forward to in this game before it was nixed. Different strokes and all that.
Freeform would have been really nice. Definitely a change that would have renewed interest for many players who found their concept was not allowed. It was amazing to watch the apologists cry it wasn't possible when other games were doing it.


 

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This isn't over.

After the disappearance of the game and these forums, we will keep doing what we do. We will still have a forum and community. We will still have the ears and mouths of the gaming press. We will still have a voice. We will still have passion. We will still have loyalty to each other and to Paragon's vision. A vision that NCSoft's management was never sharp or soulful enough to completely understand.

Dev studios may fall, but thousands of fans want this vision to stand again. And, damn you NCSoft, damn you and your narrow-minded corporation to the sands of time, our vision will stand again.


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It's over. Maybe some people that played CoH will someday work on MMOs and incorporate some of the concepts, but this game is dead. Any hops of sequels or fan-projects or any of that other nonsense are just pipe dreams.


 

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I don't know what's left to do. NCSoft has made their decision quite clear by demanding way more money than the IP is worth (when they bother to reply to investors at all). I sent my plea to NCSoft's CoHSunset e-mail address, and never got a response, so I suspect that was tossed into the circular file.

I don't have any video game inside connections. I can't put any pressure on anyone, NC Soft or otherwise. I don't have any media connections to make NC Soft look bad. I can just follow what others who do have those connections do, and even they're doing less and less.

The devs moving on is what really clinches it for me. Even if NCSoft changed their mind and let another company buy the game today, Paragon Studios has scattered to the four winds. There's nobody left to develop it.

I'm extremely sad about finally finding a game that was perfect for me only to have it killed while still actively developing, and I don't know where I'm going to go from here.

I haven't exactly "given up", I'm still hoping that somehow the efforts being put forth turn someone's head, but I'm no longer hopeful that NCSoft can be made to care or is even paying attention anymore.

.... and yet, as I type that, and edit that, and reword that.... it makes me angry all over again that they should be allowed to get away with this. I still have NCSoft's CEO's e-mail address. Maybe I'll try re-sending my CoHSunset e-mail to him.
Sometimes I wonder, if by making so much campaign for the game, the Save CoH movement just make NCSoft to have high expectations of the value of the IP. If a lot of people keep saying that the game is awesome and it has potential and other stuff, it is expected that the owner would ask more money for it.

Imho CO and DCUO are pretty enjoyable. I play mainly CO, but from time to time I take some time playing DCUO and it has pretty cool stuff too. For those planning trying those games, I would recommend dropping the "it's not CoH" line of thinking. It would likely prevent appreciating the good things of each game.


 

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"It's not CoH" only scratches the surface of what I don't like about CO, but I've ranted about that at length elsewhere. (In short: it doesn't support the playstyles I like, and major content updates are literally nonexistant, with all of Cryptic's development resources going to other games. Where CoH was constantly updating and improving, CO is just coasting and acting as a money sponge they can redirect into NWN2 and STO)

NCSoft reportedly asked for $80,000,000, utterly refusing any attempts to negotiate their price down. That's way beyond NCSoft merely thinking the game still had more life left in it than they'd thought, and is well into the realm of "asking an outrageous price just so they can claim they tried to sell it but nobody would buy it."


 

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Where CoH was constantly updating and improving, CO is just coasting and acting as a money sponge they can redirect into NWN2 and STO)
They're not making NWN2. As I understand it, they're making a game simply called "Neverwinter" which is merely based in the same established D&D setting. In any case, if it were a sequel in the Neverwinter Nights series it would be the third game.


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it makes me angry all over again that they should be allowed to get away with this.
Companies now should not be 'allowed' to stop products and services they no longer wish to continue?

Really?

So Windows '95 should still be sold and supported? Really?


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Yes. Game over.

Time to move on.


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I honestly don't think there is any hope we can save CoX officially nor work along with NCSoft.

However an emulator will probably show up in the next years allowing us some nostalgia but it will probably be very broken until a lot of efforts, coordination and time to finally make it playable.

The damage has already been done and no matter what we wont have it all over again, it'll be stuck in the past as most good memories of the game itself. I have saved all my screenshots folder since 2005 (3.1GB), demos, videos and a few other stuff, I also have the original game box with CoH and CoV collectors edition.

It has been hard to get on, I even hide the chat so I forget what's going on and try my best to enjoy the game.


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As others have said, there really is no way that COH can be restored at this point. If someone DOES buy it, they'd have to assemble a new team of Devs, they'd have their own vision for the game, and there's no guarantee that enough people would come back to make it a profitable game.

That being said, I do hold out hope that the best part of COH will live on after the game is gone. I've made friends in this game and had some awesome times. Devs have worked on this game and learned a lot from it.

Perhaps even now there's a gaming company out there-- perhaps one of those who tried to buy COH-- going, "Okay. There's a dedicated fan base out there for a game like COX-- let's see if we can make a product that they'll love."


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They're not making NWN2. As I understand it, they're making a game simply called "Neverwinter" which is merely based in the same established D&D setting. In any case, if it were a sequel in the Neverwinter Nights series it would be the third game.
Whatever game it is. Unless it runs on a three-year-old low end Macintosh laptop and lets me play as a robot-controlling supervillain, I don't really care.

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Companies now should not be 'allowed' to stop products and services they no longer wish to continue?

Really?

So Windows '95 should still be sold and supported? Really?
No, companies should not be allowed to lie about why they are stopping the service and spit in the face of all attempts to allow other people to continue the service in their stead.

Nice job making up some completely irrelevant argument and then pretending I'm the one that said it, though.

As for Windows 95, that's not a similar case at all. Windows 95 still works, even after all these years. Microsoft didn't push a button and cause all copies of Windows 95 to stop booting. You can't buy new copies, and they won't give you tech support, but if you want to use Windows 95, and you have the software and a compatible computer, you can still install it and run it the same as ever.

As of December 1st, however, City of Heroes won't work. NCSoft will push a button and suddenly our clients won't connect anymore. I have the software, I have a compatible computer, but it just won't connect anymore. City of Heroes will be gone from the face of the earth, despite tens (and possibly hundreds) of thousands of people who want it to continue.

There's a big difference between "not actively supporting something" and "destroying it". If you can't tell the difference, I don't know how to explain it to you.


 

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Companies now should not be 'allowed' to stop products and services they no longer wish to continue?

Really?

So Windows '95 should still be sold and supported? Really?
I'm just going to assume you were dropped on your head as a child.... multiple times.


 

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Well....I know that CoH will be back in some form or another-- it is too beloved a game to sink for good-- but far and away most likely it will be as an underground emu.

I've got to back up my toons with Titan's program for posterity's sake. Wouldn't want to be starting over from ground zero if I had a choice about it....

I suspect, though, that the damage to NCSoft will continue for years if not infinitely, and I feel that Blade & Soul and Wildstar will be noticeably negatively impacted. And good enough for 'em. NCSoft deserves a shoe in the head even just for their longstanding reputation, never mind for this newest CoH closure.


 

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I don't think we're going to get official City of Heroes back any time soon. However, I would not be surprised to see it sold off at some point in the future. If NCSoft gets bought, or has a change of management, or goes bankrupt, the assets could get sold off for various reasons. I do not think it will be done voluntarily, however; most scenarios for an official future City of Heroes require NCSoft to fail or at least suffer sufficient losses to cause a change in leadership.

I don't think that will happen any time soon, but I would also not be surprised if the game was available 20 years from now on something like good old games. I just plan to enjoy my final 3 weeks, save my characters with the Titan utility, and move on to other things for now. Who knows; maybe some day 15 years from now, they'll go bankrupt and we'll get our game back.