I honestly hope we haven't given up already. Have you given up?
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Posted on: 2012-11-08 17:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The only shocker there was the businessman won the popular vote. He was a no chance prior to the debates. The election was a testament to the power of wishful thinking on the part of both sides. Not surprising that these boards also exhibit a ludicrous level of wishful thinking and walls to reality as well.
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Oh yeah, I'm fully aware of what's going on in the political ivory towers. Even there, we've seen a bit of a shocker in the past week though. The unthinkable happened. The 'businessman' wasn't given the king's seat despite the financial noose that has been slowly being tightened around everyone's necks. Whether or not that is the main reason is open to tons of debate, which we definitely shouldn't go onto a tangent about, but between that and the Occupy rant fest, it MIGHT be a sign that people are finally getting fed up with it.
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tell me about it.
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
LOL except now there is so much variety on television it's crazy. Hundreds of channels most of which I have no use for.
Golf Tv? Food Network? Discovery Kids? G4? Seems like there is a channel for almost everything any more. When I was a kid you had: NBC, CBS, ABC, and PBS hehehe. I remember when cable started getting popular and there were channels like: MTV (They played videos back then), USA, TNT, and of course my mom's favorite: Lifetime - Television for women. THAT I never understood - television for women yet it seemed almost every film they had the woman was getting beat/rap3d/killed/kidnapped... what the frock man!  |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Well if that was the case, then sorry, I was mistaken. But everything I heard about Tabula at the end was that it was very much in the red.
However, the scary thing about profiting games still shuttering is, if you can at least assume that the game will continue while it's profiting, then you can contribute to keeping that game alive. If there's some unknown profit percentage for each company that may suddenly get more greedy for a number we can only guess at, then we lose the feeling that we are 'supporting the game', and that isn't good for the morale of a community. Oh yeah, I'm fully aware of what's going on in the political ivory towers. Even there, we've seen a bit of a shocker in the past week though. The unthinkable happened. The 'businessman' wasn't given the king's seat despite the financial noose that has been slowly being tightened around everyone's necks. Whether or not that is the main reason is open to tons of debate, which we definitely shouldn't go onto a tangent about, but between that and the Occupy rant fest, it MIGHT be a sign that people are finally getting fed up with it. This empathy for other games is more of the change I was referring to originally. Not a change across the entire business landscape. I don't know exactly what it is, but something about this shutdown has made an unusual impact. I wouldn't say it rocked the internet, but it was at least a ripple that everyone felt, and that's more than what usually happens. It's not a great change, but it's a first step. The eyes of the gaming world have been opened, at least a little. |
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
After reading some of these posts, it appears people have already started to devour each other a la a zombie apocalypse.
I happen to agree with Burnt Toast - just because someone doesn't share your exact level of enthusiasm doesn't mean they don't care. They're just applying different perspectives to the situation.
NCSoft acted in a ****** way and will probably continue to. That's their prerogative. People can feel empowered by choosing not to support any of their products. It might work. Whether it does or not is unimportant because the point of the exercise is to feel like we have the power to do something. What NCSoft has done, however reproachable we feel their actions are, is not illegal. They are not getting away with it because, sadly, there is nothing for them to get away with.
I gave up on City of several months ago, before the announcement, because, well, the game had filled a void in my life for a good 6 years but within that time my life had changed. When Incarnates came I was very excited but when I saw nice people turn into grind-hungry despots in leagues then it took the tarnish off the new shiny for me. I came back after 31 August to say hello/goodbye to online friends. I played the game for a bit. Then I realised that the game no longer had anything for me. A lot of people seemed to have left very quickly after the announcement, at least on Union. And, contrary to what I thought might happen (people reliving the fun of running through the Hollows, doing regular TFs, fighting GMs), there just seemed to be a lot of people continually grinding LAMBDA and the other entry-level Incarnate trial. For me, this was some of the dullest content ever and not what City of was about.
I do hope another game exists out there eventually that rivals and surpasses the fun of City of but, let's face it, the likelihood of that happening is small. I would love to be proved wrong.
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Another_Fan. Take your tinfoil hat and bugger off elsewhere. Little vulture.
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So, being logical makes me less human? And means I have a lower chance to have morals?|
Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Dehumanization perhaps? Which coincidentally (or maybe not so much) is a lot of what many people also dislike about a "profit first/everything else second" philosophy. Having no emotion also tends to go hand-in-hand with having no moral conscience.
Not saying you CAN'T be emotionless and still be moral or empathic, but it's certainly a lot easier to just ignore those things. Just like drinking and driving, there's probably some folks out there who can and do partake in it without ever having an accident, but the odds are still in favor of you getting yourself or someone else pulverized. |
You call those of us who value logic over emotion robots as well.
In reality, those of us that happen to be more logical are, in fact, very normal humans.
While I may not be able to empathize with your emotions while you on the other hand cannot use as much logic while empathizing with your fellows, we are both just slaves to our wiring.
From: http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...ical-same-time
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Humans Can't Be Empathetic And Logical At The Same Time Brain scans find that the two modes are mutually exclusive. By Colleen Park Posted 11.01.2012 at 3:57 pm Logic Versus Empathy Anthony I. Jack, Abigail Dawson, Katelyn Begany, Regina L. Leckie, Kevin Barry, Angela Ciccia, Abraham Snyder Logic and emotion tend to be considered as polar opposites. Think about the analytic CEOhis actions make sense in the science of profit, but when it means using cheap human labor or firing a couple hundred employees, theres an apparent lack of concern for the human consequences of his actions. Many choices are a struggle to compromise the two systems--and that may have to do with how our brains are wired. A new study published in NeuroImage found that separate neural pathways are used alternately for empathetic and analytic problem solving. The study compares it to a see-saw. When youre busy empathizing, the neural network for analysis is repressed, and this switches according to the task at hand. Anthony Jack, an assistant professor in cognitive science at Case Western Reserve University and lead author of the study, relates the idea to an optical illusion. You can see a duck or a rabbit in the image, but not both at the same time. This limitation to what you can see is called perceptual rivalry. Jack's new study takes this concept beyond visual perception, and investigates how the brain processes situations. It found separate neural networks for social/emotional processing and for logical analysis. The study took magnetic resonance images of 45 college students as they were presented with problems involving social issues or physics. The MRIs showed that separate regions of the brain activated and deactivated according to the type of problem. Finding a balance between the use of the two neural pathways could give insight into treatment for neuropsychiatric disorders such as depression and schizophrenia, according to Jack. |
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"Surprised your guys' arteries haven't clogged with all that hatred yet." - Xzero45
Hm. Awfully negative responses.
I could see Plan Z working if the stars align, and they get funding.
In the meantime, For a online game to kind of "Fill the gap", Should i do TSW or SWTOR?
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Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
Hm. Awfully negative responses.
I could see Plan Z working if the stars align, and they get funding. In the meantime, For a online game to kind of "Fill the gap", Should i do TSW or SWTOR? |
I agree: Plan Z is a long shot and one those involved truly wish wasn't needed.
As to TSW or SWTOR: Why not play both as Free to Play to start (or where you have friends already playing) and see which if either appeals to you?
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Wait. Are you buying lunch? |
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
If you REALLY want to know that bad, come down to Chicago, I'll take you out to lunch and insult you to your face so there's no equivocation on the matter. Work for your wangst.
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If I lived near Chicago I'd let Hyper take me out to lunch and insult me every gorram day as long as he was buying.
I'd even antagonize him to keep him buying me lunch. I'd probably rub his nose in the fact that Chicago Deep Dish isn't pizza it's merely a variation of savory pie. Extremely tasty and delicious pie, but still just pie.
The only pizza is NY style.
Deep Dish is to pizza what Soy milk is to milk.
So if Hyper is a true Chicagonian I could probably get years of free meals out of him as we fight over why chicago is wrong about what they think makes a pizza.
Hell I could probably get a lot of dinner's out of it as well.
Sadly I live too far away.
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I enjoy TSW a lot, been playing a lot of Rift as well. SWTOR is just too linear for my tastes and you pretty much have to be the same level to group, unlike TSW and Rift where different power levels can group much more easily.
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Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
In the meantime, For a online game to kind of "Fill the gap", Should i do TSW or SWTOR?
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"The side that is unhappy is not the side that the game was intended to make happy, or promised to make happy, or focused on making happy. The side that is unhappy is the side that is unhappy. That's all." - Arcanaville
"Surprised your guys' arteries haven't clogged with all that hatred yet." - Xzero45
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Delicious, but not useful for making rice pudding?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Deep Dish is to pizza what Soy milk is to milk.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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I bought him breakfast once (no kidding). It was an honor.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Wait. Are you buying lunch?
If I lived near Chicago I'd let Hyper take me out to lunch and insult me every gorram day as long as he was buying. I'd even antagonize him to keep him buying me lunch. I'd probably rub his nose in the fact that Chicago Deep Dish isn't pizza it's merely a variation of savory pie. Extremely tasty and delicious pie, but still just pie. The only pizza is NY style. Deep Dish is to pizza what Soy milk is to milk. So if Hyper is a true Chicagonian I could probably get years of free meals out of him as we fight over why chicago is wrong about what they think makes a pizza. Hell I could probably get a lot of dinner's out of it as well. Sadly I live too far away. |
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom (or freem?) fighter; just as one man's exploit is another man's feature.
Im not going to say ive given up im going to see ive refocused my efforts by trying new games instead of trying to breathe life back into an old one. Ive been playing mechwarrior online, rift, the secret world an very much like the look of otherland and the elder scrolls on line. Some of the mechanisms and features in these games really expose coh for what the bottom line of it really is and precisely why its being sgut: because its dated and showing its age.
Those of you who are still unable to cope with its demise emotionally should really do two things. Firstly try other games. Look at the various MMO sites and follow up coming developments because i get tge feeling were approaching and second generation almost and theres going to be an awful lot of choice. With all the different games that are around there will be something thatll grab you. Dont limit yourself to jusr one particular genre.
Secondly if losing a game causes you that much grief and upset you need to take a long hard look at your life.
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I like UNO's pizzeria in downtown Chicago. no clue if it is still there. Last time I was in Chicago was 1992. I enjoy NY pizza (Pie) more though. Sadly I rarely eat pizza though due to the carbs If I ate a lot of pizza I would be a short fat Korean man
I am going to have to decline your offer as I spend most of my travel time either in NY or California; that's where most of my friends live. Being insulted isn't something that bothers me or something I seek out for enjoyment. Maybe it's the robot in me, but there are very few opinions about me that matter...my boss...my dog...yeah that's about it LOL.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
First. I wasn't insulting you. I was making an observation.
But if the foo *****, Cinderella... Second. *I* was the word filter. Not the forum. Third. I'm not going to circumvent word filters. Sorry. If you feel the overriding need to, knock yourself out. Fourth. If you want these things just so you can KNOW you're being insulted and justify (at least to yourself) that you're SO put-upon, tough ****. If you REALLY want to know that bad, come down to Chicago, I'll take you out to lunch and insult you to your face so there's no equivocation on the matter. Work for your wangst. |
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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Plan Z will not work. You won't get even a tithe of the membership necessary to have a successful MMO. Might work as a solo game, sure, but that pretty much destroys the point of CoH.
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Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
Hm. Awfully negative responses.
I could see Plan Z working if the stars align, and they get funding. In the meantime, For a online game to kind of "Fill the gap", Should i do TSW or SWTOR? |
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
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The point of Plan Z is to try, I think. The people involved are very serious about it and most know it's a longshot, but IF there are investors interested in COH and IF people like Mercedes Lackey have interest... |
Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
Plan Z will not work. You won't get even a tithe of the membership necessary to have a successful MMO. Might work as a solo game, sure, but that pretty much destroys the point of CoH.
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IF is better than flat out no chance of anything relating to COH in the future.
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LOL I was wondering at what point someone was going to need to cite Dr. McCoy vs. Spock as Exhibit A. |
Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
So, being logical makes me less human? And means I have a lower chance to have morals?
You call those of us who value logic over emotion robots as well. In reality, those of us that happen to be more logical are, in fact, very normal humans. While I may not be able to empathize with your emotions while you on the other hand cannot use as much logic while empathizing with your fellows, we are both just slaves to our wiring. From: http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...ical-same-time |
Maybe that's more of my problem. I don't know enough of the neurology to be sure about this, but I'm guessing empathy happens in the right brain and logic in the left? Doctors discovered I have he ability to use both sides at once - it's a known disorder, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called now. What it means is I don't have a truly dominant brain hemisphere. But that doesn't mean they're perfect harmony with each other. Quite the opposite. It causes them to 'battle' each other, which meant I had to fight much harder to concentrate than normal people.
<< warning: I'm not posting these for debate, but if you feel you must debate them, keep the politicians out of it >>
But keep in mind my gripes about the CoH shutdown, stem from my hatred of much larger issues that are caused by the same kind of business thinking. Humanity as a species is so obviously headed on a collision course for disaster, we might as well be crash dummies in a test vehicle (and I'm not even talking about global warming). For just one example, "perpetual growth". Impossible to sustain. But it is the holy grail of business and seen as a necessity to keep from getting slaughtered by angry investors. But how can ANYONE think it is possible? Even the most perfect business in the world, will eventually fail due to a lack of resources. How can we expect perpetual growth to sustain us when Earth has a specific limit of natural resources? One way or another, that business is going to be unable to keep producing more than they did the previous year.
Social Security is flawed in the same way. It relies on every generation having more humans than the previous one. Once again. Earth is limited. It only has so much surface area that we can live on and even less of that is arable. Yet even as overpopulation becomes a real threat reproduction is pushed just as much now as when "Be fruitful and multiply" was penned into the Bible. People are even called selfish if they choose not to make babies.
Despite these realities, logic is taking us down a path to disaster, and somehow even many logical people do not regularly see these things, or they just don't care, because they're logical instead of empathic. Whether that would technically be Empathy for the planet, or "Gaia" or whatever, or a lack of Empathy for humanity as a whole, I'm not really sure.
"Wall-E" had it right. While the imagery of a trash city was mostly done for dramatic effect, the mindset behind how Earth reached that point is entirely real. A disaster of that caliber can and most likely will happen, and greed disguised as logic, will lead us to it. And that brings me to a point that most will hate to agree with. Greed is NOT logical. Therefore logic shouldn't even be used to justify it.
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Chicago Deep Dish is Chicago Deep Dish.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Wait. Are you buying lunch?
If I lived near Chicago I'd let Hyper take me out to lunch and insult me every gorram day as long as he was buying. I'd even antagonize him to keep him buying me lunch. I'd probably rub his nose in the fact that Chicago Deep Dish isn't pizza it's merely a variation of savory pie. Extremely tasty and delicious pie, but still just pie. The only pizza is NY style. Deep Dish is to pizza what Soy milk is to milk. So if Hyper is a true Chicagonian I could probably get years of free meals out of him as we fight over why chicago is wrong about what they think makes a pizza. Hell I could probably get a lot of dinner's out of it as well. Sadly I live too far away. |
Chicago pizza is something else entirely.
It's a thin THIN crust pizza. And it's damnably hard to find the really good stuff nowadays. Usually it's some hole-in-the-wall pizza joint.
NY pizza? Bleargh! I spent a year and a half in NY. That pathetic pie they slop in NY isn't pizza. I mean, it's better than starving (but only slightly). But it's not pizza.
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Sorry to admit that I have given up, but not just for CoH but all MMO's, unfortunately there isn't a single MMO out there at the moment that holds a candle on COH and I would just be deluding myself trying to get into another mmo at this moment in time.
I still haven't given up hope that in the future that a COH 2 doesn't come to pass and it would most probably take COH 2 and a extremely good community playerbase on par with COH to get me back into a MMO.
You can recreate a MMO but without the awesome COH crowd in it, it might as well be one of those god awful fantasy MMO's knocking about at the moment.
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
LOL I was wondering at what point someone was going to need to cite Dr. McCoy vs. Spock as Exhibit A.
Maybe that's more of my problem. I don't know enough of the neurology to be sure about this, but I'm guessing empathy happens in the right brain and logic in the left? Doctors discovered I have he ability to use both sides at once - it's a known disorder, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called now. What it means is I don't have a truly dominant brain hemisphere. But that doesn't mean they're perfect harmony with each other. Quite the opposite. It causes them to 'battle' each other, which meant I had to fight much harder to concentrate than normal people. << warning: I'm not posting these for debate, but if you feel you must debate them, keep the politicians out of it >> But keep in mind my gripes about the CoH shutdown, stem from my hatred of much larger issues that are caused by the same kind of business thinking. Humanity as a species is so obviously headed on a collision course for disaster, we might as well be crash dummies in a test vehicle (and I'm not even talking about global warming). For just one example, "perpetual growth". Impossible to sustain. But it is the holy grail of business and seen as a necessity to keep from getting slaughtered by angry investors. But how can ANYONE think it is possible? Even the most perfect business in the world, will eventually fail due to a lack of resources. How can we expect perpetual growth to sustain us when Earth has a specific limit of natural resources? One way or another, that business is going to be unable to keep producing more than they did the previous year. Social Security is flawed in the same way. It relies on every generation having more humans than the previous one. Once again. Earth is limited. It only has so much surface area that we can live on and even less of that is arable. Yet even as overpopulation becomes a real threat reproduction is pushed just as much now as when "Be fruitful and multiply" was penned into the Bible. People are even called selfish if they choose not to make babies. Despite these realities, logic is taking us down a path to disaster, and somehow even many logical people do not regularly see these things, or they just don't care, because they're logical instead of empathic. Whether that would technically be Empathy for the planet, or "Gaia" or whatever, or a lack of Empathy for humanity as a whole, I'm not really sure. "Wall-E" had it right. While the imagery of a trash city was mostly done for dramatic effect, the mindset behind how Earth reached that point is entirely real. A disaster of that caliber can and most likely will happen, and greed disguised as logic, will lead us to it. And that brings me to a point that most will hate to agree with. Greed is NOT logical. Therefore logic shouldn't even be used to justify it. |
but greed have to be defined. If it's want for more than we need to live, then by definition, everyone that is wasting electricity and resources here is greedy while we play games while there is no electricity in other parts of the world. At what point does it actually becomes greed? I think there was a study that found that most millionaires/lower billionaires do not consider themselves rich.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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That seems to be a universal truth wherever you live. Especially when joints start opening chains. When they start out they try to make the best product possible but soon it's about mass production using the cheapest ingredients possible to make the most money.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Chicago Deep Dish is Chicago Deep Dish.
Chicago pizza is something else entirely. It's a thin THIN crust pizza. And it's damnably hard to find the really good stuff nowadays. Usually it's some hole-in-the-wall pizza joint. NY pizza? Bleargh! I spent a year and a half in NY. That pathetic pie they slop in NY isn't pizza. I mean, it's better than starving (but only slightly). But it's not pizza. |
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Thank you for reaffirming my view of the forums and for validating the arguments I made about incarnate content before it was introduced on live.
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Originally Posted by Arctic_Princess
When Incarnates came I was very excited but when I saw nice people turn into grind-hungry despots in leagues then it took the tarnish off the new shiny for me.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
NY pizza? Bleargh! I spent a year and a half in NY. That pathetic pie they slop in NY isn't pizza. I mean, it's better than starving (but only slightly). But it's not pizza.
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No. I'm a Chicagoan.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You are deluded
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There's a subtle, but IMPORTANT difference.
ALWAYS remember this.
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I suppose that boils down to actually getting power to these other places. More often than not, whenever 'more advanced' nations try to help the less fortunate ones, the poodoo always finds a way to hit the fan. And then there are groups people who are perfectly happy without electricity, even though it is well within their means to acquire it if they wished. |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
That is in interesting view.
but greed have to be defined. If it's want for more than we need to live, then by definition, everyone that is wasting electricity and resources here is greedy while we play games while there is no electricity in other parts of the world. At what point does it actually becomes greed? I think there was a study that found that most millionaires/lower billionaires do not consider themselves rich. |
If I was going to try and define greed mathematically, my first thought would be to use scalable percentage relative to whatever the accepted poverty line is.
I've been at that line before, and internet/gaming was the only pleasantry I partook in during that time. But that resulted in me being unable to accumulate money. It was always 'just enough to get by' at best. My ideal living conditions? All I really wanted to be different, is to not be afraid of breaking a leg and being unable to get it fixed, or worrying whether or not the heater was going to fail. If I were rich, there's very little I would want to change, except for maybe a vacation. The rest of that money would either be given back, or maybe into entertainment for the masses (preferably the ones who are currently being ignored). I have little need for material things.
On the other end of the spectrum, like what you were saying about millionaires not thinking they're rich, you have people who were made an example of during the election. Those who were fighting against a higher tax for the rich, and citing things like only having a few 100k leftover per year after dealing with all the necessities. And they treat it like it's hard living. That's pretty extreme. To me, the boundary between rich and not isn't whether you have a shiny car in your driveway or can go to Tahiti for a month every year. It's whether or not you have to be afraid of what tomorrow brings, and whether or not it's actually catastrophic. If you don't have to worry about what happens if your car gets wrecked, or you get sick, etc, you don't tense up when the utility bills come in the mail, that's wealthy.
But that kind of greed is at least easier to grasp. People who eat caviar when there are kids who can't afford rice, have a much bigger buffer between their actions and the suffering. That is a lot easier to believe than when someone fires a whole town, pays farms to not grow food for the purpose of driving up prices (and causing famine in the process), lobbies for regulations to make it impossible for small businesses (and potential new competitors) to survive, etc. We're getting off on a pretty stray tangent now though. The kind of trouble I was discussing before, isn't about just hurting one group of people or another. It's something that will come back to bite EVERYONE in the **** eventually, the super-rich included. I'm sure it's possible to enjoy oneself while still achieving some sort of equilibrium with what nature can provide. Or at the very least, extend our livability on Earth past the point where we can expand outward into the galaxy. But that's probably me being overly optimistic. The sad truth may be that faster-than-light travel is not possible, and Earth is all we will ever have. If we are indeed trapped here by the laws of physics, we will drastically need to alter our perceptions or one of two things will happen. We will either be catapulted back to the stone-age, or will face mass extinction.
Or maybe you did
But if the foo *****, Cinderella...
Second. *I* was the word filter. Not the forum.
Third. I'm not going to circumvent word filters. Sorry. If you feel the overriding need to, knock yourself out.
Fourth. If you want these things just so you can KNOW you're being insulted and justify (at least to yourself) that you're SO put-upon, tough ****. If you REALLY want to know that bad, come down to Chicago, I'll take you out to lunch and insult you to your face so there's no equivocation on the matter. Work for your wangst.
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