By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-09-13 06:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Don't know about that. Carbine is directly controlled by the parent company in Korea
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Originally Posted by Lady_Sadako
Rather than by NC West? Are you sure?
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Cartoony, sci-fi WoW, etc etc -
You know what? I am perfectly fine with that. 
I'm not as completely burnt out on such games as some (especially those who've been playing WoW for the last eight). Auto Assault was like that, in some ways, but this looks much more polished than that game ever was. (The driving was okay, but as we used to say in Interstate '76, never get out of the car.)
If it offers me decent gameplay that improves slightly on the standard, with explicit support for playstyles like explorer and builder, combined with an art direction and sensibility that makes me think of Firefly crossed with Titan AE (mmm, Bluth-y)... I'm there.
It's just that now, I think that in the back of my mind there'll always be that nagging "don't get too attached, because who knows" 
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Edit: Searching around about info on NCSoft West, I found that they hired, in the same week as our closure announcement and GW2's rollout, a new advertising agency.
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
Cartoony, sci-fi WoW, etc etc -
You know what? I am perfectly fine with that. I'm not as completely burnt out on such games as some (especially those who've been playing WoW for the last eight). Auto Assault was like that, in some ways, but this looks much more polished than that game ever was. (The driving was okay, but as we used to say in Interstate '76, never get out of the car.) If it offers me decent gameplay that improves slightly on the standard, with explicit support for playstyles like explorer and builder, combined with an art direction and sensibility that makes me think of Firefly crossed with Titan AE (mmm, Bluth-y)... I'm there. It's just that now, I think that in the back of my mind there'll always be that nagging "don't get too attached, because who knows" |
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Originally Posted by Atlantea
*FACEPALM*
NCSoft keeps finding new and innovative ways to twist the knife AND pour salt in the wounds. |
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Edit: Searching around about info on NCSoft West, I found that they hired, in the same week as our closure announcement and GW2's rollout, a new advertising agency.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Some. I think I heard a lot more anger when they introduced anime inspired pieces, about how a LOT of players hated them in the game, than I ever heard before or after about CoH not being animeish enough.
That's the interesting bit. If you fly around the game you will find that super-sized boobs are not as common as we may guess at first. Perhaps its because we have a lot of female gamers playing female characters, but we have a farily good mixture of player created characters in all spectrum of breast slider settings. That also may be key to Warcraft's success. It's not offensive to most women because unlike most MMOs it does not go crazy in the skinemax fan-service. I think almost every case of MMO cancelation in the past (outside NCSoft) can be traced to either economical losses (Asheron's Call 2) or licensing agreements (Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies.) |
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
Cartoony, sci-fi WoW, etc etc -
You know what? I am perfectly fine with that. I'm not as completely burnt out on such games as some (especially those who've been playing WoW for the last eight). Auto Assault was like that, in some ways, but this looks much more polished than that game ever was. (The driving was okay, but as we used to say in Interstate '76, never get out of the car.) If it offers me decent gameplay that improves slightly on the standard, with explicit support for playstyles like explorer and builder, combined with an art direction and sensibility that makes me think of Firefly crossed with Titan AE (mmm, Bluth-y)... I'm there. It's just that now, I think that in the back of my mind there'll always be that nagging "don't get too attached, because who knows" |
I had that nagging feeling for CoH long before the announcement. Not because it was failing (to my knowledge it was in the black, and was at the moment of the news) but because I knew at some point, the doors would close.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
It looks like the legs, torso, breasts, and head from four different anime characters were stitched together without first being scale normalized, then was sprayed with latex, and then the latex turned into an inflatable doll.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
So basically, to that, I say, if you don't like it, don't buy/play it. This isn't me encouraging people to go out and get these games. But the idea that "OMG Standard Asian art" is somehow bad, because /they/ don't like it, when obviously enough people do.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
In my case, I am arguing that the Asian market has a history of rejecting western art styles.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm questioning their design sense if they tie open world PvP flagging to your costumes.
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Originally Posted by Quin
You know how Osamu Tezuka (The 'Godfather of Anime') created his art style originally, right?
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How blizzard manage to stay in business is an interesting story IMHO. After WoW's launch for almost 4 years all of Blizzards resources were directed to that single game. Blizzard was both developer and distributor of many of its titles and this gave them more freedom than many think.
Taking Blizzard as an example and trying to follow its footsteps while trying to do with divided resources is a ....... hmm not any noninsulting words come to my mind for this so I will skip that.
Secondly Blizzards game was what Asians like a grindfest for better equipments over and over again. Especially in Korea people are playing games as pro's and earning their life from that much like MTG pro's. For west however it was a continuation of an original works story. This is also what sets one of Blizzards success instead of using a well-known title they used their own original product and without any licensing problem they can add anything they want into game and story.
Thirdly compared to other games that were around WoW started rather simple no big character generation (There was SWG and CoH and god knows what else that you can practically create your character as you wish even if it is not equipment base) no complex character progress (Ultima Online, SWG, CoH and some others had vast selection for character progression even some were gated behind class/race etc the choices had enough variety) very colorful enviroment (When I first saw WoW I was thinking that I am playing a cartoon game) including Blizzards die-hard fanbase game quickly spread around like a fire in both people who want to spent time with their die-hard fan friends and it draw younger audience with being simple and having colorful enviroment.
On the topic: Only title I am waiting is Wildstar but I don't keep my hopes high especially if BS is imported to west than it needs extra cash from somewhere and from what I see carbine is next in the line. After all canceling a game before its launch is far more easier than what they are doing to CoH.
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Originally Posted by Knightward
So... Asian Liefeld? Or does one give the other a bad name?
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Originally Posted by BViking
It did bring Escher Girls to mind for me, although the summation I gave to Tacitala was actually, "a Lady GaGa blow-up doll, as viewed through a funhouse mirror."
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Originally Posted by Starsman
In my case, I am arguing that the Asian market has a history of rejecting western art styles. The west, on the other hand, tends to be much more accepting of Asian styles. Non-Asian masses tend to be more open minded in this respect. So at least my arguments are about the high chance of Wildstar failing in Korea.
However, on the art discussed in this thread, I think the point is about that particular female's head, not just the Asian style. It just seems broken... perhaps it's just an example of a character creator allowing users to create abominable things, though. |
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Again, those numbers are revenue, income before costs are deducted, so not profit. Those terms are not interchangeable.
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Originally Posted by Tiny Bolt
Unless they've actually been cutting back while putting on a good front, which, given other posts, doesn't seem to be the case.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
I'm sure they've had cost cutting measures over time, but that's not something they'll publicize as a matter of policy. Though probably could guess at some of the effects like when they discontinued french and german localization.
Not sure if it's related but there was also some layoffs that BaBs was a part of. Of course there were also the ending of the EU offices some time ago. And this is just conjecture on my part but i had the impression that Paragon had fewer or lessened presence among the trade shows and such. (Didn't follow that closely, could be mistaken) |
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Originally Posted by Kangstor
Thirdly compared to other games that were around WoW started rather simple no big character generation (There was SWG and CoH and god knows what else that you can practically create your character as you wish even if it is not equipment base) no complex character progress (Ultima Online, SWG, CoH and some others had vast selection for character progression even some were gated behind class/race etc the choices had enough variety) very colorful enviroment (When I first saw WoW I was thinking that I am playing a cartoon game) including Blizzards die-hard fanbase game quickly spread around like a fire in both people who want to spent time with their die-hard fan friends and it draw younger audience with being simple and having colorful enviroment.
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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
If anything, recently they have been having *more* of a presence at shows over the past couple of years.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Was mostly talking about the big shows. Think i remember Paragon not having a presence in this year's san diego comic con and pax...maybe there's more but can't place it.
Or i'm making more of it than i should. Think i would count the player summit differently since it was funded or at least partially funded from the attending players tickets (verify). |
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
I'm sure they've had cost cutting measures over time, but that's not something they'll publicize as a matter of policy.
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