Supes & Wonder Woman: The New Power Couple
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Posted on: 2012-08-23 07:31 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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The logistical problems of Superman being in a relation with Lois Lane apply to any relation where one of the two has super strength. |
Originally Posted by BrandX
And I always thought man of steel woman of tissue was one of the stupidest things someone ever took seriously.
If that requires you to use mental gymnastics, I have to wonder how you don't think Supes hasn't destroyed a lot of things just by simple human actions. *rollseyes* |
For all the years Spider-man was married to MJ (before the stupid Mephisto erasure) those two would have had the same logistical problems given that Spidey's strength is in the 10ton range.
or when Grey Hulk worked in Las Vegas as Joe Fixit and had started a relationship with Marlo Chandler
or back in the Silver Surfer of the 80's/90's when Mantis hooked up with the Surfer, we are talking about a guy whose silver alloy is bonded to his skin and couldn't be removed at the time plus his super strength which he can increase via cosmic power absorption
or when She-Hulk was dating Wyat Wingfoot, long time friend of the F.F.
or the THING and Alica Masters
or Luke Cage being married and has a kid, I don't recall his wife having super strength (other powers, yes)
Superman's strength level being off the scale as it were of course makes his problems a bit more severe then the others I listed, but it is still the same logistic problem.
I think Superman expressed his overall frustration with all the power he has in the last episode of JLU when he finally got mad enough at Darkseid to just cut loose on him. "I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard! I'm always taking constant care not to break something, to break someone! Never letting myself lose control EVEN FOR A MOMENT because someone could die!" Upon which he proceeds to give Darkseid a super sonic FALCON PUNCH that probably could have sent Darkseid to the other side of the planet or into orbit if Superman didn't intercept him.
In fact that is another logistic problem: when two super strength beings like Hulk and THOR slug it out, one punch from either should send the other flying for miles but that doesn't seem to happen like it should very often does it?
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About summed up my thoughts on the matter when I read the 'news'.
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Originally Posted by Nevius
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Originally Posted by Cowman
Here's a fun activity.
Try and count all the involuntary actions or movements you make over the course of one day. And you're telling me Supes can suppress all those involuntary actions, but not other ones. Look, of COURSE a physical relationship with Lois is unrealistic given his powers. But so is the idea that the guy could go more than a week without blowing his cover. And thanks for the reading recommendation, but I'm about as interested in the sex-logistics of my favorite superheroes as I am in the sexual preferences of the puppets on Sesame Street. In other words, not at all. |
I'm not sure that is as much of a problem as people make it out to be. When someone has a new level of strength they very quickly acclimate to that level of strength, only using what is needed. Nearly any motion that is made with the body is done so with an incredibly precise amount of strength, moving limbs that weigh as much as they do with a certain speed needed to reach a certain point. A person who would have so much strength that they couldn't control it would do absurd things such as smash a mug into their face whenever they take a drink or throw themselves into a wall whenever they take a step. The small and unconscious motions that someone makes with super strength wouldn't be a problem at all, unless those motions are amplified to spastic, uncontrollable turrets level.
...though that would make for a great comedy comic...
There are a few cases where you would have to control the strength and would lose control in tiny movements. If, for example, that person were also supermassive, with limbs that weigh hundreds of pounds each, then this would be an instance when someone might lose control and destroy things. Or if this strength is recently acquired and the body hasn't gotten used to
There would have to be some extenuating circumstances to make someone loose control. A real life example would be elephants: their trunks are capable of knocking over trees, and yet can lift a dime without throwing it in the air. Although I'm pretty sure copulating would count as one of those circumstances.
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Maybe they'll have a son and make Batman the godfather, just like in Kingdom Come... 
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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I would argue that restraining or disabling supervillains, even the ones he doesn't totally overpower, while they try to kill him, and while he is very angry at them, but without killing or severely injuring them, requires much greater control. Yet he's clearly capable of it.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Sneezing, watching how hard he grips something, how hard he stomps his feet, etc., are a lot easier to control than the involuntary actions in a physical coupling.
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I'd also argue that, as an alien, all bets are off, when it comes to his biology.
People make a lot of assumptions about how super strength works. Look, I can easily crush an egg with one hand. That doesn't mean I have to take great care handling an egg so that even if I lose my concentration for a second, yolk explodes in my hand. When I open my closet door, I don't use the full force my arm is capable of generating and break the cheap plastic handle off. I could put my fist through the walls in my first apartment. The times I did that in my sleep the three years I lived there are exactly zero.
If a person's "strength dial" goes from 1 to 10, and Superman's goes from 1 to 1000, there's nothing to say 5 on his dial is any different than 5 on yours. Additionally, with his super abilities comes the super control of those abilities. It's the same thing that allows him to tune out all the sounds that would drive him insane with his super hearing, wear clothes with his super sensitive skin and look at your face without seeing through you and out into the cosmos.
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The silliest thing in this entire line of thought has to be the assumption that Supe's reproductive equipment and methodology is compatible with humans to begin with. He's an alien! From a different species, different planet, different solar system. The chances of Kryptonian plumbing in any way, shape, or form aligning with human plumbing is pretty damn miniscule.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Maybe they'll have a son and make Batman the godfather, just like in Kingdom Come...
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Then Clark and Diana get killed and we have a new Robin. With FRICKIN LASER BEAMS...IN HIS EYES!
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I'm not sure which Batman you've been reading, but I never got the impression that he treated women that way. If anything, he drives women away mainly to protect them from his enemies, who would do anything to get at him anyway they could. It's not who Bruce Wayne really is.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
I don't know how the New 52 Wonder Woman has been portrayed, but I have never thought that Batman and Wonder Woman would work out.
Batman will NEVER accept an equal partner ... either in marriage or any other relationship. Wonder Woman will NEVER accept the kind of treatment Bruce would give her. "This is MY City. Do things MY way. You're just an ignorant Babe in the Woods" blah blah blah. . |
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The chances of an alien from a different solar system resembles humans in any way is pretty damn miniscule. If the rest of his body looks like ours, why wouldn't his reproductive system? (This makes no assumptions about internal compatibility, only external.)
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Originally Posted by Ultraamann
The silliest thing in this entire line of thought has to be the assumption that Supe's reproductive equipment and methodology is compatible with humans to begin with. He's an alien! From a different species, different planet, different solar system. The chances of Kryptonian plumbing in any way, shape, or form aligning with human plumbing is pretty damn miniscule.
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You assume Humans, Kryptonians and other 'humanoid' races in the DC universe weren't all engineered to develop along specific lines by a race that came before.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
The chances of an alien from a different solar system resembles humans in any way is pretty damn miniscule. If the rest of his body looks like ours, why wouldn't his reproductive system? (This makes no assumptions about internal compatibility, only external.)
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Please, please, no more Superboy Prime or what could arise from this plot ...
We do have lost/recovered enough Flash(ies) hmmm ?
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Batman treats EVERYONE that way. I didn't say he was a misogynist. He's an equal opportunity control freak.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
I'm not sure which Batman you've been reading, but I never got the impression that he treated women that way. If anything, he drives women away mainly to protect them from his enemies, who would do anything to get at him anyway they could. It's not who Bruce Wayne really is.
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No, that really only serves my point...
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
You assume Humans, Kryptonians and other 'humanoid' races in the DC universe weren't all engineered to develop along specific lines by a race that came before.
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Well, most tanker sets get knockback resistance.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
In fact that is another logistic problem: when two super strength beings like Hulk and THOR slug it out, one punch from either should send the other flying for miles but that doesn't seem to happen like it should very often does it?
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Heh, girl's got steel fever!
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Originally Posted by konshu
Don't worry about Lois. I hear she's given up on aliens and has turned to robots. She's keeping the Red Tornado in her dresser drawer.
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They often get knockup resistance, too, so we may not have to worry about a super-powered child...
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Well, most tanker sets get knockback resistance.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
....wasn't this about Superman and Wonder Woman hooking up and not about whether comic book superheroes and their ability to reproduce?
Take a step back for a moment, explain the implausability of defying gravity by being able to fly, and then we can move onto this subject.
Until then, I'm finding this just a silly idea in a raft of silly ideas that DC is having lately. There's no real contrast in Clark and Diana to play off of to make it an interesting relationship, as they're both morally very similar. At least in the one Batman/Wonder Woman pairing we saw in the Justice League cartoon, you had one woman that Bruce really didn't have to fear getting hurt by knowing him being a balance to his wanting to keep people at arms' length.
Lois serves a similar purpose by keeping Clark anchored to the world around him and preventing him from really getting a true god complex. This isn't rocket science, it's just good writing.
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The one naturally coincides with the other.
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
....wasn't this about Superman and Wonder Woman hooking up and not about whether comic book superheroes and their ability to reproduce?
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Not to mention the laws of maths. If the odds of another planet sustaining life are a billion to one and the odds of a life form sprouting are a further billion to one..and the odds of life forming identical to ours is several billion to one.. well there are an infinite number of billion planets out there...so why shouldn't a kryptonian be similar to **** sapien in design? (I really need to find a life...)|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
You assume Humans, Kryptonians and other 'humanoid' races in the DC universe weren't all engineered to develop along specific lines by a race that came before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Universe . |
Wow the word h o m o was filtered...
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People usually use H. sapiens when referring to modern humans. They also do it for other species like when talking about bottlenose dolphins, T. truncatus is used.
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Well, maybe a bit PC for me but hey....|
Originally Posted by Dark One
People usually use H. sapiens when referring to modern humans. They also do it for other species like when talking about bottlenose dolphins, T. truncatus is used.
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Back on topic I think we should just wish the happy couple well, after all, without giving too much information, I kind of like certain activities with a certain amount of effort involved....I'm sure these two would too..
imagine having to be aware of your slightest wrong move, or keeping your passion fully reigned in incase you and forget yourself, or if you activate the equivelent of a high powered water cannon inside someone...
These two can really go for it hammer and tong. Match made in heaven if you ask me..(or maybe Olympus in this case..) and it breaks the Lois Superman dynamic..so its all good..
Now if they can just lose that ludicrous armour .. Superman and armour? Nah.
.just doesn't go...
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I think Superman and Wonder Woman go together perfectly.
Superman is the only guy Wonder Woman can bring home without worrying about him getting killed.
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