I don't feel VIP at all

It'd be like a new fast food chain gunning out the door to top McDonald's. Ain't gonna happen. Well, it may happen, but it'd be insane to make that your goal and plan your whole business model around achieving it, including how much you invest in development of your product and marketing. ( Sure, McDonald's is kinda crappy even for fast food, but they're too well established to be knocked off the top of the hill... )

Eeerrrrr, it does in the case of City of Heroes. If you wanted to play the game for longer than a trial period before Freedom, you needed to pay a monthly charge. Thus City cannot be included in a line that says it's been "several years" since City hasn't required a monthly charge. It hasn't even been a "single year" since City hasn't required a monthly charge, let alone "several years".

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

You can be in them. You just can't pay rent, so if you want the base, you'll either need to have a very minimal one, or have someone else pay the upkeep for you.

How about we frame it another way: Paragon is so nice that they're not trying to screw over people that are playing as Premium players by gimping them. They've listened to feedback from the players, and have adjusted things accordingly. For a huge number of us, being VIP is still a far better deal than being Preem.

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.

Originally Posted by ShadowNate ;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!

You can't pay rent, which is a giant PITA if like me you have several personal bases. I could care less about having access to other people's bases if I can't keep the lights on in my own.

Honestly, TOR itself wasn't a bad game. My problem had more to do with the management.

Tor wasn't a bad single player game. But it was a terrible MMO still I think they did better than I expect for their first try my only wish was their first try being a more of their own line like Blizzard like Dragon Age or Mass Effect. Part of failure was old SWG players tried game and immediatly canceled their subscriptions (like me)

TOR really isn't a bad game. But yeah, the management.

Some people just badmouth anything that isn't this game.

Could not have said it better myself. Cheers.

Wrong.

Supergroups and bases were always available to Premium players. It was the Freemium players that were locked out and recently allowed to join.

SG membership/bases is still useless to Fremium/Premium players because they still need a VIP to pay rent because all the important base features incur a monthly rental fee per item.

And if a Prem or Freem can't pay rent not only does the power go out (so they won't be able to use teleporters or med bays), but they eventually can't enter the base at all.

No the devs set let te free players in the bases so they could see just what they are missing with the account restrictions at just the right spot to either encourage subscription or force free playrs to socialize with VIP's and use bases as group content like the devs intended.

You may be confusing what you personally value from VIP features with what anyone else might value. I intensely value the things that I can only get as a subscriber. Base rent management, Incarnate-related content (including access to Enhancement Catalysts), and Global Channel op status all come to mind. I cannot buy those things any other way than to subscribe, not even by being Tier 9. Oh, and all those things come with 550 points per month (since I am Tier 9), plus a Paragon Rewards token.

You may not value any of those things. Your statement above may only apply to you. Omitting the phrase "for me" from what you're saying makes it sound as if it is intended to be a universally applicable statement. It is not.

That and the customer service was nonexistant.

The number of die hard CoH fans that would bad mouth SWTOR because it isn't this game is a drop in the bucket compared to the people that are unhappy with how that game turned out, and not all of the people complaining have cancelled their subs. There's no way for us to tell how many active subscribers over there are just as dissatisfied as the roughly 1.7 milion that left.

I honestly doubt that the number of CoH fanbois that are badmouthing that game make up 1% of the dissatisfied playerbase.

I was speaking of precisely one person, and that person wasn't you.

SG memberships are hardly useless to Free and Premium players unless they're the only ones in it. The only restriction is the ability to interact with the SG registrar, which is only important when creating the SG or if the base is large enough to require rent. Having any VIP members at all basically removes the rent payment issue.

Last week i helped a returning Premium set up their own solo SG. He said he was planning to return to full VIP soon, but i told him that if he needed help paying the rent in the future to just contact me. Once the SG was created and the base started he was otherwise good to go.

I didn't think you were talking about me. There is in every game a group of players that badmouth anything that isn't that particular game. I assumed that you were referring to them.

Now if it was WoW players I'd agree that a big portion of the complaints are from them, but here, Even if every single player behaved that way we'd still be in the minority. Our fanbase simply isn't that big.

The biggest complaint about SG/Bases made by Free/Prem players over the past year is their inability to pay rent and being locked out of creating solo bases, and everything they desperately want solo bases for is locked behind rent.

If all they want is a base with teleports and a medbay they are good to go, but we all know what their pissed off about is not having solo storage bases.

that's very helpful, but it is an annoyance for both parties.

inability to pay base rent, along with limited server slots, was my great in-game discontent with being Freemium.

I think I know who you're talking about


Ugh, I feel dirty using that many smilies.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

75% and climbing of those who bought it disagree

And that little dent in the profit potential of the game becomes even better when you factor in the 30%+ EA's paying LucasArts for the SW license for their fanfiction extravaganza - what was meant to be such a selling point is now crippling their ability to maximize their income from the still shrinking player base

The level of inompetence shown by during the whole if the on-going TORtanic disaster looks more and more like Bioware are just trolling the geekosphere - unless EA have always had a secret working title for it, called "Springtime for Revan"

You know that, rather than leaving behind the useless double post, you can just click the "Delete" button on the Edit screen, and the extra post will magically vanish?

Forbin Project tends to jump headfirst, so yeah he is wrong as usual.

There is no rent or fee for the first plot and that has been that way for a while. But yes some VIP members can take care of the rent issue.