Powerset Wise, What Comic Book Staples Are We Still Missing?


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Just thought of some more,

Web Control (Spiderman) No. One character uses this power. ONE. Gods, no.
Shield Melee (Captain America) Already have Shield Defense, and Street Justice.

Crossbow (Huntress)
Laser Blast (Cyclops) - Already have Laser Beam Eyes, X-Ray Beam, etc.
Gadgets (Batman) - Traps.
Weather Blast (Storm) - Storm Summoning/Elec Blast
Exploding Cards (Gambit) - Again, one-trick pony, plus Propel if you really want to throw random stuff at people.
As far as suggestions for the OP, staples (which I define subjectively, obviously) we're missing is really just the Blast/Armor AT (Mary Marvel, Iron Man, Amazo, etc).


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But I do understand that there is an internet rule that any bad idea must be presented by someone at least twice a year to remind everyone who hasn't already read every previous thread on the topic precisely why the idea is bad.

 

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Shapeshifting.

Not like [Blank], more like shifting parts of your body into things like blades, spikes, mallets. Throwing a chunk of your arm or something to wrap around an enemy as a hold (sort of like Bull Natterling's hold). Single attack-style body morphing.

The logistics of how? Beats me, but it's pretty common in comics and animation.

I was thinking of something like that once. Kinda like, you would have three attacks and three toggles.

One toggle would turn your fists into large mallets, and that would cause all your attacks to do smashing damage.

Another toggle would turn your fists into giant blades, and that would cause all your attacks to do lethal damage.

etc. etc.


Hell, looking at the "flash step" power in the latest blaster secondary, maybe we could get a power in that lefts you jump between points, and turns you into a giant ball.


 

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Obviously, a stapler power set. Melee impale and hold. Powerful t9 that has a bad sideeffect of jamming when you need it most.


 

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...also, we have the tech for a Growth set but I'm not sure how appealing it would be.
Being 20 feet tall would be appealing till we were stuck in a 10 foot tall office building.


 

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Got those too in the form of Crabs. But yes, a few more options would be nice.
All the EATs, technically. And in extremely limited ways. Energy Blast/Invul character? Nope. Dual Pistols/Super Reflexes? Nope. Assault Rifle/Willpower? Negatory.

There is a TON of concepts locked behind that barrier.


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Web Control (Spiderman) No. One character uses this power. ONE. Gods, no.
Why should we not have something only one hero have? Capetian America is the only hero with a shield and we have that. Also every hero with all of these powers were the first and only at one time until someone made a new hero with those powers same powers.

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Shield Melee (Captain America) Already have Shield Defense, and Street Justice.
We can't throw our shield, and bash them in close range.

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Laser Blast (Cyclops) - Already have Laser Beam Eyes, X-Ray Beam, etc.
I want a hero that only blast eye beams

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Gadgets (Batman) - Traps.
I was thinking on the lines throwing boomerangs, and other stuff for blasters.

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Weather Blast (Storm) - Storm Summoning/Elec Blast
I want one with wind, lightning, and ice/snow in one powerset

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Exploding Cards (Gambit) - Again, one-trick pony, plus Propel if you really want to throw random stuff at people.
Same response as Web Control


 

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Storm Summoning does have wind (gale, hurricane, tornado), lightning (lightning cloud, thunder clap), and ice/snow (freezing rain).

The reason you can't have web control or exploding cards is because they are very specific to those characters, and you have to deal with copyright infringement.


 

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The reason we don't have Web Control and Exploding Cards (outside of Web Grenade, Web Envelope, and Entangling Arrow) is that it's a very specific power of one very specific character. The GMs wouldn't be able to generic the copyrighted characters fast enough.

As for throwing shields, that was discussed at length when Shield Defense was in beta; it's an animation/power mechanics thing (the same as stretching/elastic attacks), plus the aforementioned cloning issue.

If you only want to blast eye beams, take that one attack and don't use anything else. There isn't a lot of animation variation, at least not enough to devote an entire powerset to it.

Storm Summoning:

- Gale (wind)
- Lightning Storm (lightning)
- Freezing Rain (ice/snow)

All in *one* powerset! The mind is blown!

Batman is easy: Street Justice/Willpower/Weapon Mastery. Punches, kicks to the gut, *natural* defenses, and you get the throwing stuff! Problem solved.


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But I do understand that there is an internet rule that any bad idea must be presented by someone at least twice a year to remind everyone who hasn't already read every previous thread on the topic precisely why the idea is bad.

 

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Before we got Street Justice, Martial Arts got an animation update with punches instead of kicks.


GEEZ WHY EVEN BOTHER, WE COULD TOTALLY MAKE PUNCHING CHARACTERS WITH MA WHY WASTE RESOURCES MAKING SJ.



Just because we can "fudge" abilities using existing powersets doesn't mean that newer sets shouldn't be made.


 

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If you only want to blast eye beams, take that one attack and don't use anything else. There isn't a lot of animation variation, at least not enough to devote an entire powerset to it.
It's only one attack though, I need a plethora of eyebeams. Heck, I'd be happy if they just let us choose eyes/head for all blast powers. That'd be more than enough for me.

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Batman is easy: Street Justice/Willpower/Weapon Mastery. Punches, kicks to the gut, *natural* defenses, and you get the throwing stuff! Problem solved.
And sometimes Ninjitsu. If anything, Batman is a good argument for pushing the ancillary power pools up even sooner like 12 or 15


 

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*chuckle* I semi-agree with that; I have both a StJ and MA, but (to me) the punching animations in MA are HUGELY different than the "flow" of Street Justice. When I picture Batman or Spiderman fighting a group of thugs (which isn't particularly hard to picture), Street Justice just fits better than the punchy MA.

As I've said before in multiple threads, I have absolutely nothing against new content of any kind. It shows that Paragon is still investing time and money into the game I love (and have devoted more time to than is probably healthy) but, come on! There has to be a limit to it.

Besides, the development impetus for new powersets (I'd imagine) is never "Well, Superhero X uses this set in the comics, so let's put it in the game!" Which is why threads like this are kind of nebulously helpful. A "staple" is wildly different from one comic fan to another.


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It's only one attack though, I need a plethora of eyebeams. Heck, I'd be happy if they just let us choose eyes/head for all blast powers. That'd be more than enough for me.

And sometimes Ninjitsu. If anything, Batman is a good argument for pushing the ancillary power pools up even sooner like 12 or 15
I'd definitely be game for adding new animations, but again, I don't know of how much animation variation would exist in a "shoots stuff out of my face" vein. Perhaps that's why I'm not a professional.

As for Ninjitsu, my Batgirl tribute character "Kuraikage" (dark shadow) is a StJ/Nin stalker, with plans for the Weapon APP. I'd wholeheartedly support opening those pools up at level 20.


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But I do understand that there is an internet rule that any bad idea must be presented by someone at least twice a year to remind everyone who hasn't already read every previous thread on the topic precisely why the idea is bad.

 

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I'd definitely be game for adding new animations, but again, I don't know of how much animation variation would exist in a "shoots stuff out of my face" vein. Perhaps that's why I'm not a professional.
I have no idea either, I just want the option to have things shooting out of my face region, other than psy and sonic.


 

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Sitting here trying to visualize even five or six different versions of "stick face out to shoot crap at bad/good guys" is making me laugh hysterically.

Just this:



Over, and over, and over, and over, and over and over again.


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But I do understand that there is an internet rule that any bad idea must be presented by someone at least twice a year to remind everyone who hasn't already read every previous thread on the topic precisely why the idea is bad.

 

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Sitting here trying to visualize even five or six different versions of "stick face out to shoot crap at bad/good guys" is making me laugh hysterically.

Just this:



Over, and over, and over, and over, and over and over again.
What about beam rifle?

They made an entire powerset out of "pewpewpew"


You know what...we just need some animation options for beam rifle where the beam comes out of your face/hands/chest.


 

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Beam *Rifle* is just that. A rifle. Could they switch it up and have, say, wrist-mounted laser gauntlets? Absolutely.

To change it to come out of your face would be...less than ideal.


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Blast/Armour or Assault/Armour AT we're still missing. For a quick, sake of the argument example, Iron Man. Energy Blast/Invulnerability or Energy Assault/Invulnerability. It's not entirely accurate (that'd be Energy Blast/Armour Gadgets/Super Strength/Invulnerability) but close enough. There are plenty of other characters that fit that bracket.
He could be Energy Assault/Invulnerability/Weapon Mastery...


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If Masterminds didn't suck, they'd be the most powerful AT in the game.

 

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What if you had like...laser...goggles....yeah....


Hey I've seen weirder.


But yeah, it would be neat to see a "beam" powerset then. With eyes/hands/chest options. Along with being more "beamy" than Energy Blast or Beam Rifle (which are kirby dots and electrical respectively.)


 

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We already have Mind Control.
I know we have Mind Control. I play Mind Control. What is not included in Mind Control or anywhere else is Telepathy. The closest thing we have is Confuse-type, which is not the same thing.

It is a comic book staple that is missing from the game.


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Beam *Rifle* is just that. A rifle. Could they switch it up and have, say, wrist-mounted laser gauntlets? Absolutely.

To change it to come out of your face would be...less than ideal.
Considering the hand positions? I think if they were going to make wrist mounted laser gauntlets, they'd have to re-animate it. At which point, eye beams for the same set should be the same argument in terms of work they'd end up having to do for the new version.


 

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I know we have Mind Control. I play Mind Control. What is not included in Mind Control or anywhere else is Telepathy. The closest thing we have is Confuse-type, which is not the same thing.

It is a comic book staple that is missing from the game.
I see what you're saying, but how do you fill out a whole set with this idea? I could see a Mind control variant where a confuse was traded for a body jump. But, as a whole set, it doesn't seem feasible.


 

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What Comic Book Staples are we missing?

Why, the staples in the comic books' spines, of course...


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Though, in a similar sort of vein.

I would like a power duplication sort of power. Not sure how it would be implemented though, as it seems like you should be able to duplicate allies as well as enemies. Also, what limitations do you put on it? By level? Also, how would it react to duplicating guys with guns etc? Use guns too? That seems odd.


 

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The one that comes to mind for me is some kind of hard light construct set. I dunno if DC has a trademark on the concept,
Quasar, Klaw, and Songbird make me kinda doubt it.
Also, "SUPER HERO" is a trademark co-owned by DC comics and Marvel comics. Given that we have a superhero MMO, I don't think that's necessarily a hurdle.


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