Marauder replaces Ms. Liberty in AP along with Aurora and Pendragon
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Posted on: 2012-08-01 13:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Fixed that for you.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Freeing Praetoria was *my* goal, not killing Tyrant
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Actually, he's pretty evil. He wiped out a good chunk of the survivors in the American Midwest and Rocky Mountains, including several surviving Army units when he was able to get his hands on heavy weapons, and was running more or less a ****** Horde style operation. Guy's a mass murderer who's responsible for thousands of deaths and a lot of people not surviving the war.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I don't know if this is real, but if it is... Marauder never struck me as a truly evil, guy. He's just a really really... Really really really rough bruiser with muscle where his brain should be. I'm thinking he can be salvaged if there's someone sufficiently strong enough to kick his *** a few times until the new status quo sinks in.
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This comes up I think in the Responsibility arcs where you're up against the Destroyers. The guy's an animal.
But I could see him ending up redside and working for Recluse or in the Rogue Isles. That'd fit him. Him working blueside... can't buy that so much.
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...Isn't she just wearing the Resistance suit and it got... um... kinda distorted by her... figure?
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Originally Posted by Doc_Reverend
Really not a fan of Praetorian Aurora Borealis's costume. It's kind of all over the place.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Resistance with bits of what looks like Carnival of Light, Celestial, and a cape I don't recognize with blue tights underlayer. It's just very... busy, and isn't really a coherent look so much as a bunch of things slapped on. They don't really mesh well.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
...Isn't she just wearing the Resistance suit and it got... um... kinda distorted by her... figure?
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Nalrok said "for the greater good". Everyone take a shot.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Calling it now:
We ally with Praetoria 'for the greater good.' While I'm sick to the gills of the greater good, I can't wait to see the look on GG's face. |
joking aside yeah its annoying.
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Did you forget all those former Powers Division characters who chose to help the Resistance and Primal Earth?
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
Since when have we been allying with Tyrant and his Praetors?
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What's bad is I've started taking shots every time I say "for the greater good."
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Originally Posted by Vyver
Nalrok said "for the greater good". Everyone take a shot.
joking aside yeah its annoying. |
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
What's bad is I've started taking shots every time I say "for the greater good."
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you know, im not seeing it now on paragon wiki, but i seem to recall a supplimental backgrounder that disputes the official story of marauder going into the wild, beating down the anarchy and organizing the people to survive that tells of him going intot he wild, scavenging and robbing the people who were too weak to fight back, staying on the run from the hamidon until eventually cole forced him into line. does anyone else remember this? based on this id say he is an unredeemable thug...but im also concluding that im going senile because i cant remember where i saw that.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I don't know if this is real, but if it is... Marauder never struck me as a truly evil, guy. He's just a really really... Really really really rough bruiser with muscle where his brain should be. I'm thinking he can be salvaged if there's someone sufficiently strong enough to kick his *** a few times until the new status quo sinks in.
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Possibly his pre-GR bio, before the major Praetorians were retconned?
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
you know, im not seeing it now on paragon wiki, but i seem to recall a supplimental backgrounder that disputes the official story of marauder going into the wild, beating down the anarchy and organizing the people to survive that tells of him going intot he wild, scavenging and robbing the people who were too weak to fight back, staying on the run from the hamidon until eventually cole forced him into line. does anyone else remember this? based on this id say he is an unredeemable thug...but im also concluding that im going senile because i cant remember where i saw that.
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did they go into the praetorian hamidon pre gr? think its more recent, maybe from one of the resistance quest lines?
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No, I certainly recall this as well. I think it was an NPC who describes the event as he used to be part of Marauder's biker gang. |
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
you know, im not seeing it now on paragon wiki, but i seem to recall a supplimental backgrounder that disputes the official story of marauder going into the wild, beating down the anarchy and organizing the people to survive that tells of him going intot he wild, scavenging and robbing the people who were too weak to fight back, staying on the run from the hamidon until eventually cole forced him into line. does anyone else remember this? based on this id say he is an unredeemable thug...but im also concluding that im going senile because i cant remember where i saw that.
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I don't know that I'd consider him irredeemable, even given that. I'm under the impression that the Hamidon invasion required people to make rather tough decisions, and he was more focused on survival than thoughts of heroism.
The game makes a point to provide several allusions (not the right word for what I'm trying to describe; my mind won't provide me the correct terminology) to Marauder and that of a wild dog. He often refers to himself as the "Top Dog" or the Alpha, and details how he has to keep all the other animals in line. It seems very fitting for his personality that, in difficult times, he forms of "pack" and focuses on their survival, with him as the leader. Not exactly a heroic action, but there is some sense of nobility in creating a family and focusing your efforts in carrying them through to the end.
Cole, in this allusion, would represent the collar around Marauders neck. He's the one that reigned in the animal and made him the guard dog of his empire, something with which Marauder can't seem to decide is something he should be proud of or resent, based on his dialogue in Praetoria.
http://goingrogue.na.cityofheroes.co...auder-bio.html
That's his GR Bio, and you're right...
My guess on that teaser pic is i24 deals with refugees....
1) Aurora leading the Resistance refugees
2) Maurauder forming his gangs again with Loyalists and Destroyers
3) Pendragon...?? Night Ward refugees maybe?
And all of them heading to Primal... It's going to get a bit crowded here....
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I know Marauder has done bad things, and will continue doing bad things. I also don't dispute he's an animal. However, he strikes me kind of like Grunt from Mass Effect 2 - a wild, violent beast that CAN be controlled by someone strong enough to pull his leash. Yes, Marauder has violent tendencies and a complete disregard for other people, but he doesn't strike me as having any kind of "need" to hurt people like so many in the Isles. He doesn't have any "grand master plan," and thus can probably be convinced that what's beneficial to him is to behave, and he just might.
This is why I don't like making "victims of circumstance" villains - because they can be redeemed if you swap circumstances around. Yes, Marauder is extremely violent and ruthless, but give him a solid taskmaster to direct his aggression towards the right enemies and I'm sure he can get used to not stepping on the little people in time. He's Cole's top dog of war, and like any dog, he can be trained to bark only when ordered to.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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What really sucks about that pic is the Pendragon armor, or rather the fact that players still do not have access to it.
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Which makes me wish I paid more attention to the story lines instead of just mashing buttons...
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Alternate Dimensions =/= Alternate timelines. You can have Primal and Praetorian people running together. We've also got two Auroras, and Pendragon is the Praetorian Hero 1, who is pal'ing about with Vanguard as of now.
Seems like I24 is not just fixing a lot of things, but also pushing story forward more. |
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His own personal tendencies slide towards selfishness and self-glorification. He could certainly change and conveniently for him most, if not all, of those that truly knew of his atrocities are dead. But he was not just a victim of circumstance. While he is indeed like a wild animal, he still has a human mind that comprehended his actions, and just didn't care (and even relished the violence and carnage).|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I know Marauder has done bad things, and will continue doing bad things. I also don't dispute he's an animal. However, he strikes me kind of like Grunt from Mass Effect 2 - a wild, violent beast that CAN be controlled by someone strong enough to pull his leash. Yes, Marauder has violent tendencies and a complete disregard for other people, but he doesn't strike me as having any kind of "need" to hurt people like so many in the Isles. He doesn't have any "grand master plan," and thus can probably be convinced that what's beneficial to him is to behave, and he just might.
This is why I don't like making "victims of circumstance" villains - because they can be redeemed if you swap circumstances around. Yes, Marauder is extremely violent and ruthless, but give him a solid taskmaster to direct his aggression towards the right enemies and I'm sure he can get used to not stepping on the little people in time. He's Cole's top dog of war, and like any dog, he can be trained to bark only when ordered to. |
And he very much does strike me as someone who occasionally needs to unleash a little aggression for fun; he takes delight in hurting others.
Is he still like that today? Has all the suffering he has seen as well as age caught up with him? It is possible. But it worked out well giving Wade and Malaise the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm glad to see Marauder still around. I like him. For all that I certainly appreciate a subtle villain who sits behind the scenes and pulls the strings towards some hidden agenda, sometimes I just like an in-your-face badass villain who gets out there and punches things. He doesn't need to become a hero (though I could see him becoming... not a hero, but essentially a weapon controlled by the heroes), I just want to see him stick around for potential future stories where we meet and clash again.
After going through the Night Ward story and the Emperor's Sword arc, it's also good to see Pendragon, a Black Knight no longer.
I... really don't know much about Aurora. For all the times I've done iTrials, I've only done MoM once, and didn't really know what was going on.
As much as I want to see them do more with the villains they already have (particularly Arachnos, who have lost their status as the Big Bads, which doesn't seem to be changing any time soon), I do like there being more "big name" feature villains in the game at large. I'm hoping that even Tyrant will eventually make a comeback in some smaller capacity (just as Reichsman did during the DA arc).
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On the flip side, it seems like Dominatrix going face was legit and they might be running with that. As long as we're trying to use the Praetorians we didn't kill to feed the character death quota, and more than anything as long as we're turning Megan face, Marauder doesn't seem that far off the bat. I mean, talk about someone who enjoys hurting others |
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Is he still like that today? Has all the suffering he has seen as well as age caught up with him? It is possible. But it worked out well giving Wade and Malaise the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I wouldn't say it was that legit. She's working with us, yeah, but the personal story mission shows pretty clearly she's still pretty self serving. If Primal shows it's the 'losing side' in anything major, chances are she'd backstab us without a second thought if it meant saving herself. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
On the flip side, it seems like Dominatrix going face was legit and they might be running with that. As long as we're trying to use the Praetorians we didn't kill to feed the character death quota, and more than anything as long as we're turning Megan face, Marauder doesn't seem that far off the bat. I mean, talk about someone who enjoys hurting others
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But Marauader I could see, he fits the vigilante profile pretty well.
Dominatrix showed herself to be on the side of Primal, not necessarily Hero. I'd place her more as a Rogue, given her backstabbing tendency.
Aurora and Pendragon are alright, but Marauder? He's the most despicable person in Cole's service, even worse than Mother Mayhem (who, IMO, was insane rather than evil).
BTW, assuming my theory of Patrick Duncan being Hero One pans out, I'm kinda hoping for a gender-reversed Secret of the Sword moment where Pendragon gets his new sword from Ms. Liberty
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Yes that used to be his bio.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
you know, im not seeing it now on paragon wiki, but i seem to recall a supplimental backgrounder that disputes the official story of marauder going into the wild, beating down the anarchy and organizing the people to survive that tells of him going intot he wild, scavenging and robbing the people who were too weak to fight back, staying on the run from the hamidon until eventually cole forced him into line. does anyone else remember this? based on this id say he is an unredeemable thug...but im also concluding that im going senile because i cant remember where i saw that.
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