Dark Knight Rises *there be spoilers here, seriously don't click if you don't want spoilers*
Bruce and Selina together makes sense in a way the end with Bruce being presumed dead and everything mirrors how the first movie began, I also have no doubt he had made arrangements for just such situation, and isn't living in the poor house.
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With the ending they currently have, Gotham and its police force remains in shambles and have to start over from scratch on their own, with Bruce basically abandoning them to their own devices. This also makes it so that Ra's plan to destroy Gotham and forcing them to start from scratch succeeding.
Well, he didn't leave them entirely to their own devices. He did leave them someone to take up the mantle of Batman.
That said, there were a couple of story threads that were either tied off at the wrong place, or left dangling.
The main one was the money issue. We last see him so poor that the electricity is cut off at Wayne Manner, it was seems to be within a day of him losing all his cash.
Just how is it that he and Selena are well off enough to live their new lives. Has she suddenly changed her ways and stopped being a theif?
While it's implied, it is never flat out stated to the Selena character that her actions are as much to blame for what's going on in Gotham (near the end). Why was she so willing to leave (holly? don't remember the character's name from the comic and it was never stated in the movie). Why were they friends?
If Bruce is leaving "robin" to take up the mantle of Batman, how can he without the resources of Wayne Enterprises at his disposal?
My only assumption is that when Miranda took over control of the company, her infusion of funds is going to keep it going. With Fox still there to helm the company and R&D still in existence, that somehow Fox and Blake will end up working together.
The movie would've been just fine without the inclusion of the other cop who died at the end and Selena's friend. But outside of these nitpicks I found the film to be really good.
The pacing was a little fast, but that was because we had so many characters to follow. We never got to sit with some of the heavy moments when they came and quickly went to the next scene which kind of robbed those scenes of their weight.
Just got back from the movie and I enjoyed it. Not the best but not the worst.
First off, Batman isn't dead. The auto pilot was fixed.
Second off, how did Robin get the coordinates to the bat cave? Did Batman KNOW he was going to die?
Third, Christian Bale himself has stated that if the script was good he would return.
What does all that mean?
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Just got back from the movie and I enjoyed it. Not the best but not the worst.
First off, Batman isn't dead. The auto pilot was fixed. Second off, how did Robin get the coordinates to the bat cave? Did Batman KNOW he was going to die? Third, Christian Bale himself has stated that if the script was good he would return. What does all that mean? |
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Got back from Dark Knight Rises and... Honestly the movie was great until I got to the end. What a big [censored] disappointment it was. Batman quits, passes the mantle off to Robin John Blake and moves to Paris with Catwoman. I kid you not, that's how Nolan decides to end this trilogy. When I saw that ending I felt like he took a collective [censored] on the Batman mythos.
I'm sure there probably be some of you who will say "Batman didn't quit because the mantle was passed on to someone else" I don't care because as far as I'm concerned he quit. he quit because he found a gal to settle down with and some guy he could pass the job off to. There was a line in the movie were Bane tells Bruce that he plans to kill Gotham with the deadliest poison in the world, hope. Truer words have never been said, because I had hope for this movie and instead got something that just killed me inside. If you're a fan of Nolan you'll probably love this movie. If you're a fan of Batman, well your mileage will vary. Don't say you haven't been warned. |
Yep, no probs with the ending. The movie was ok but not great. Bane was not as interesting as Joker. Dark Knight was amazing and a lot of it was due to how well the Joker was portrayed.
I'm wondering WTF happened to Bruce Wayne's health? Batman was 'retired' for 8 years. How is his health so iffy?! They should have gone with the comic story more where Bats gets beaten down and then Bane takes him out.
Some sort of martial fighting ability? Or at least the ability to get out of the truck before it wrecked. Bruce would have gotten out, and this is Talia whose skills are supposed to be as good as Bruce's. |
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Just got back from the movie and I enjoyed it. Not the best but not the worst.
What does all that mean? |
First off, Batman isn't dead. The auto pilot was fixed. |
Second off, how did Robin get the coordinates to the bat cave? Did Batman KNOW he was going to die? |
Third, Christian Bale himself has stated that if the script was good he would return. |
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Actually I don't remember it being said at any point that Talia has League of Shadows combat training. As for her accomplishments in the film, "It is not supreme excellence to fight one hundred battles and win one hundred victories. Supreme excellence is to win a victory while fighting no battles at all." -- some dead Asian guy.
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I prefer that version to the Ubu-in-a-Proto-Vader-mask that we got. And the DCAU and Arkham City versions above that.
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"Knightfall" was a very long way from the best written Batman stories.
I really should do something about this signature.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Or maybe it's just Alfred's imagination. |
But then people keep borking up the end of Inception, too. (No, it was not a dream, and the point wasn't whether or not the top fell, it was that he stopped looking to see if it did.)
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First, the reactor was stated to be a fusion reactor. One that apparently a single scientist figured out how to turn into a neutron bomb. So, within the context of the film, this isn't something that was easily weaponized. Capable of being weaponized yes, which is the source of Wayne's trepidation, but the improbability of that occurence outweighed its benefits well enough that he had it made.
He still took plenty of precautions, Its location was secret, heavily fortified, and beneath an entire river.
It was a plot device and one I found no more difficult to swallow than a man dressing up as a bat to fight crime.
Actually, she said herself that she and Bane were trained by the League of Shadows.
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-Hathaway hit Catwoman right on the nail, and generally did a great job here
Miranda unmasked as Talia only had a very short amount of time.
and in contrast was generally unremarkable, despite the build up. Truthfully, the movie would've lost nothing had she been revealed as just another generic member of the League of Shadows( and would've been better off going that route)
And in truth, trying to fit Selina AND Talia in the same film was bound to cause this problem w/o adding another 30 min - hour to the film, there simply isn't enough space there to both of them justice
Alfred's reaction at the end has me believing it isn't his imagination at all.
He saw Bruce, they nodded to each other, and he left.
That's what he wanted. If it was his imagination I think it would of kept with generic girl we saw when he first talked about his wish, not Selena, and I don't think he would of left as he did.
As for could Bruce and Selena settle down. Who's to say they did? I get the feeling, that Bruce still had money and the two of them traveling about they're likely to run into some petty crooks to relive those exciting moments on.
In Nolan's universe Batman didn't fight that many serious criminals. He fought mostly street thugs.
And that left him battered and beaten according to his doctor.
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Now that I think about it, Miranda/Talia suffered from Hathaway's Catwoman,
-Hathaway hit Catwoman right on the nail, and generally did a great job here Miranda unmasked as Talia only had a very short amount of time. and in contrast was generally unremarkable, despite the build up. Truthfully, the movie would've lost nothing had she been revealed as just another generic member of the League of Shadows( and would've been better off going that route) And in truth, trying to fit Selina AND Talia in the same film was bound to cause this problem w/o adding another 30 min - hour to the film, there simply isn't enough space there to both of them justice |
The name alone tells you who'd have won.
No. Other way around. Fission reactions are used to ignite fusion.
Decades ago one of Jerry Pournelle's friends asked him how to make a nuclear reactor explode like an atomic bomb (for a book the friend was writing). Pournelle said "put an atomic bomb in it and set it off". The friend, FWIW, didn't like that answer and ignored him. (I don't think the book ever achieved liftoff; can't imagine why.) Reactors don't explode like nuclear weapons (except, perhaps, a breeder reactor but AFAIK even that is real long odds). They can misbehave in a number of ways but they don't go kaboom. Fusion reactors, as previously noted, are even more fragile that fission ones. If the proper conditions aren't maintained the reaction will just stop. We've been working on maintaining those conditions since the 70s and from what I've heard we're actually farther away now than when we started. That's how difficult the reaction is to establish and maintain. Of course, this is the kind of thing you have to overlook in a superhero movie. The dubious physics involved in the fusion reactor wasn't exactly the most improbable element of TDKR. |
It is fanciful, but not impossible. Its certainly far more reasonable than the microwave vaporizer from Batman Begins that vaporizes water contained in metal pipes but does nothing to the walking bags of mostly water that are standing around unprotected.
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I enjoyed it , I'd give the movie an a+
Bane - I understand the Bane criticisms, but simple question to the Bane critics, would you rather have Joel Shumacher's version of Bane? While there were differences here, I think this Bane was fairly close to the comic version.
Catwoman - w/o a doubt, Anne Hathaway is the diffinitive Catwoman
John Blake - the name obviously meant as a curve ball, but JGL would make a crediable Robin and successor to Batman. Despite being a pastashio of at least three Robins, came off as very crediable, overall I liked John Blake, if they continue the iteration with JGL, I could see him as either Nightwing or Batman II( its clear he'll succede Bats, buts not clear under what identity
Miranda - there were some hints about her, so that part wasn't a complete suprise. What dissappointed me here was with all the build up, with her being the kid who escaped the whole, I would've expected someone tougher.
Ending, overall I liked the ending
Bruce and Selina together makes sense in a way the end with Bruce being presumed dead and everything mirrors how the first movie began, I also have no doubt he had made arrangements for just such situation, and isn't living in the poor house.