What makes good use of the kb2kd proc?

Person34 · 07-07-2012 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Expeditor

How about Rise of the Phoenix? If I recall it does 3 ticks of damage, each with high mag knockback attached - if all 3 landed it'd be around blaster nuke levels of damage, alongside the stun and knockdown.

This is where I had it before bonfire, and it works exactly like that: the mobs just bounce around and take 3 big ticks of damage (most I saw was 230ish/tick). If bonfire gets adjusted this is where it'll go back to.

Live_Wyre · 07-07-2012 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oathbound

While Singularity does use Repel (the power), none of the powers in the entire game with Repel or Repulsion in their names actually are repel (the effect) they are all knockback.*

Thus the proc would work in Singularity... and since it doesn't appear that Singularity's Repel has the self -End penalty when it knocks a target, it wouldn't absolutely murder his blue bar, like such a proc would do to a player if it could be slotted into Kinetics' Repel.**

*Repel: Knockback
Repulsion Bomb: Knockdown
Sonic Repulsion: Knockback
Repulse (before it got changed to Disrupt): Knockback
Repulsing Torrent: Knockback

** Though thinking about it, I'm not sure whether the proc actually would have any affect on Singularity's Repel at all, given how slotted enhancements work with pet powers. Yes you can slot it into Singularity, but since Repel deals no damage I don't think it matters.

You're right. I was confusing the power with the repel effect found in hurricane.

Zaloopa · 07-07-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oathbound

** Though thinking about it, I'm not sure whether the proc actually would have any affect on Singularity's Repel at all, given how slotted enhancements work with pet powers. Yes you can slot it into Singularity, but since Repel deals no damage I don't think it matters.

Just tested this and can confirm that it does not work in Singularity.

Oedipus_Tex · 07-07-2012 11:04 PM

Weird question: can it be slotted in a standard PBAoE damage auras? If so, does it knockdown 20% of enemies around you every 10 seconds?

_eeek_ · 07-08-2012 02:37 AM

What about Fortunata Psi Tornado? Is it the same as the storm tornado (except needing accuracy)?

I've never used the power, since I dislike the KB effect.

Oathbound · 07-08-2012 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by _eeek_

What about Fortunata Psi Tornado? Is it the same as the storm tornado (except needing accuracy)?

I've never used the power, since I dislike the KB effect.

Nope. Not even remotely the same.

Psionic Tornado is just a target AoE attack which has a chance to knockup.

Tornado is a pet summon that left unchecked will wreak untold havoc and chaos upon the field.

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Psylenz · 07-08-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

Weird question: can it be slotted in a standard PBAoE damage auras? If so, does it knockdown 20% of enemies around you every 10 seconds?

That's not a bad point. Something like hot feet or a damaging chill aura?

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Kederren · 07-08-2012 10:05 AM

I'm planning on putting it in LRM rocket to keep the Lts and bosses together for a Psionic Tornado followup.

Redlynne · 07-08-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Psylenz

Something like hot feet or a damaging chill aura?

Try Icicles in Ice Armor/* for Tankers.

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Grey Pilgrim · 07-08-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlynne

Try Icicles in Ice Armor/* for Tankers.

It would be nice in any damage aura, I would think. Not sure I'd have room for it, since I have so many powers with KB that needs mitigating to KD (not all, I do like KB, it just doesn't mesh well with most powers or mechanics in game), but we'll see.

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Flints · 07-08-2012 10:32 PM

I have an Ice/KM Tanker (As well as 3 other Ice tankers) and took it out of Repulsing Torrent because it ruined how fun that power was, not to mention the KB isn't 100%. If you're needing to stick it into KM as an ice tanker you're probably doing something wrong. (Willpower I can understand due to low taunt mag, and stalkers because of how much KB lowers the DPS) so I moved it into Icicles.

I rarely see it proc though, to be honest. I ran a farm I used to do and didn't see it trigger.

May need to find a single mob who isn't going to die by leaving Icicles tick and watch my combat log/screen to see if it is actually triggering.

Oathbound · 07-09-2012 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Flints

I have an Ice/KM Tanker (As well as 3 other Ice tankers) and took it out of Repulsing Torrent because it ruined how fun that power was, not to mention the KB isn't 100%. If you're needing to stick it into KM as an ice tanker you're probably doing something wrong. (Willpower I can understand due to low taunt mag, and stalkers because of how much KB lowers the DPS) so I moved it into Icicles.

I rarely see it proc though, to be honest. I ran a farm I used to do and didn't see it trigger.

May need to find a single mob who isn't going to die by leaving Icicles tick and watch my combat log/screen to see if it is actually triggering.

I believe that's just by virtue of being a toggle.

Like the damage procs, it'll only check every 10seconds. Because it's only a (what 20%?) chance to proc in non-KB powers, you're only going to see it fire off about every 50seconds or so per target.

Honestly I don't think it's really worth it in toggles.

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Liz Bathory · 07-09-2012 02:48 AM

Psionic Tornado... havent tried it yet. But I run it on a toon.

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Zaloopa · 07-09-2012 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Flints

I have an Ice/KM Tanker (As well as 3 other Ice tankers) and took it out of Repulsing Torrent because it ruined how fun that power was, not to mention the KB isn't 100%. If you're needing to stick it into KM as an ice tanker you're probably doing something wrong. (Willpower I can understand due to low taunt mag, and stalkers because of how much KB lowers the DPS) so I moved it into Icicles.

I rarely see it proc though, to be honest. I ran a farm I used to do and didn't see it trigger.

May need to find a single mob who isn't going to die by leaving Icicles tick and watch my combat log/screen to see if it is actually triggering.

I believe there's currently a bug where the knockdown part of the enhancement isn't working. The knockback conversion works, just not the other part.

Psylenz · 07-09-2012 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory

Psionic Tornado... havent tried it yet. But I run it on a toon.

Psionic tornado is knock UP, not back

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ChrisMoses · 07-09-2012 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Primantiss

Indeed, I plan on trying this when I get my Sonic Defender high enough to use the IO I found.. Or when the devs finally fix the level bug (that is a bug right?? The fact that the IO is level locked to the toon which found it)

Not only does it turn it into a decent second AoE cone that lines up perfectly, but should also turn it into a very nice mitigation tool. It has a low recharge rate (8s), cut that down by half and you have a 4 second, decent sized cone that you can spam to keep baddies off their feet.

I accidentally respecced into this yesterday with my Sonic/Pain Corruptor. The short help says "knock down foes," while the long help says knockback. I only read down and I selected it... Boo. Oh well. Good place for the set.

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PsychicKitty · 07-09-2012 05:11 PM

In the Blaster Dark Blast Set

Umbral Torrent....though the blast will still be subpar damage and travel along the ground meaning anything hovering avoids it...at least it would do knock down instead of knock back and not be totaly detrimental to the rest of the power set or the dark manipulation set or any of the other blaster manipulation sets.

Although on the other hand if you slot it with the new enhancement...then you wont be able to exploit this power in pvp by slotting this one with nothing but knock back enhancements and knock down anyone you like...and juggling them across maps.

>_>

oh well....most likely this power wasnt supposed to be inthe set and was supposed to be Dark Obliteration Instead.

Erratic · 07-09-2012 10:13 PM

Just picked it up (and all the badges. . .nifty) on my first go at it with my DM/Elec/Soul Brute. I'm half tempted to slam it into Lightning Field. But then my thoughts turn to Dark Consumpion, Soul Drain, and Dark Obliteration. Heck. . .even though it is single target, Siphon Life is up every 4 seconds.

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Omega · 07-10-2012 01:53 PM

I mentioned it elsewhere , but I'll add it here... it doesn't work on the new gravity/propel .. the new narrow KB cone still stays as KB and not KD if this proc is slotted.
As others have said - also tested in Singularity and doesn't work

Einherjar · 07-10-2012 03:27 PM

Whirlwind in Super Speed pool.

Now everyone is Bonfire

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Derangedpolygot · 07-10-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Einherjar

Whirlwind in Super Speed pool.

Can't be slotted there, it doesn't deal damage.

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Now everyone is Bonfire

It is AMAZING in Bonfire. Knockdown every second, and it actually deals its damage!

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Cheetatron · 07-11-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Airhammer

I cant even get enough of these things in 30 plus runs to even slot the stuff I want to slot.. never mind all this other stuff you guys are bringing up.

Yeah this proc has a ****** reward chance

Deacon_NA · 07-11-2012 05:31 PM

You have reason to believe it has a less than 1 in 6 chance of being rewarded? If so what is your analysis to come to that conclusion?

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MadHobbit · 07-11-2012 09:09 PM

one of the posters said too bad that the set willnot work in one of the powers, well this is is my tin foil hat time.

there will be other sets coming out for other powers, some of the ones that do not have purple sets avail for them, I bet next year there will be either a "triple " feature or a choice of a second type of enhancment for the event, and dont forget in a month or so we will have halloween event again.

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Biowraith · 07-11-2012 11:08 PM

For me the priorities are/were (more or less in order):

Solar Flare - as others say, game changer
Tornado - goes from a power I only break out when things have already gone south to one I can use as often as it's available (endurance permitting)
Explosive Blast - don't have to put as much effort into positioning etc anymore (never actually had complaints on my Energy Blast characters, but that's largely because of aforementioned extra effort in that area)
Blaster Dark Blast Torrent - as above
MM power pool Bonfire - I'm actually thinking of keeping it as KB on my blaster as he already has lots of AoE so I'd maybes miss the get-away-from-me aspect (especially now it's not *totally* OP), but for my MM I'd prefer to keep them in the patch for the damage.

Those are the main ones for me. If I can be bothered continuing to farm the trial, or spend the non-trivial amounts of inf, I'll maybe add some to stuff like M30, Shockwave, etc, but those are nice-to-have rather than must-have for me. And adding it to Crane Kick would make me a sad (kung fu) panda - I love the KB on that one, just for the visual.