What makes good use of the kb2kd proc?
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Airhammer,
Posted on: 2012-07-06 06:59 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
My list:
- Bonfire: I took it/liked it before, but only used it once every other month. Now it's soft control+damage! (Almost hard control, before its upcoming changes)
- Tornado: I only used tornadoes when I had -KB immobilizes available or on an AV. Otherwise they counteract much of storm's placement debuffs. Now? let 'em rip!
- Solar flare: because foostomp>trying to hit a group of enemies now blasted to the four corners of an area
- Electron haze: I couldn't take it as it worked against my rad/rad defender, rad/rad corr, or rad/kin corr's toggle/buff&debuff concentrations. Now? more AoE!
- M30 grenade: I hade to relegate this to 'finisher' using only after all other AoEs, and/or only if it would kill the mess it made. Now? It actually helps with the use of all the other AoE's, as enemies are stopped, flat on their backs!
- Explosive arrow: See above.
how about the lich in necromancer MM? I always hated his torrent.
SchroedingerCat
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The Lich's torrent was changed to knockdown some time ago, so slotting the proc there won't have any effect on it.
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Originally Posted by SchroedingerCat
how about the lich in necromancer MM? I always hated his torrent.
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@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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Someone on triumph is 3 for 37 runs I'm at 4 for 36(atleast) thats 8(!) and 11%, 1/6 would be 16%
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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
You have reason to believe it has a less than 1 in 6 chance of being rewarded? If so what is your analysis to come to that conclusion?
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It's a shame this thread is about only Kb2kd...I have some awesome ideas for adding it to non KB powers like Caltrops and Psychic Shockwave.
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MM tier 1 pets.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
It's a shame this thread is about only Kb2kd...I have some awesome ideas for adding it to non KB powers like Caltrops and Psychic Shockwave.
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Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
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...Dear God that's genius! Caltrops for ninjas...that almost makes me want to roll a MM!
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
MM tier 1 pets.
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I made that inquiry earlier but didn't get a reply so I sacrificed a proc to test it out in my Merc Soldiers.
It actually went off quite a bit but I think Ninjas and Thugs may have more opportunity to set it off (Fully upgraded Genin T1s have 18 total attacks; 6 more than most. Fully upgraded Thugs have 5 total AoEs; 2 more than most)
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
I've also slotted the KB to KD IO in my Assault Bot....I've seen targets get knocked down from the DoT of the burn patches the Assault Bot puts down with his Incindiary Missiles...it's glorious when it happens. 
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'Lo, there do I see my father.
'Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers.
'Lo, there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
'Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place among them.
In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.
The Water Blast AOE KB power might be a good spot for it, too, since of course there are tons of WB alts running about now.
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This is what I plan on doing with my bots/traps
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Originally Posted by UndyingImhotep
I've also slotted the KB to KD IO in my Assault Bot....I've seen targets get knocked down from the DoT of the burn patches the Assault Bot puts down with his Incindiary Missiles...it's glorious when it happens.
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I've seen several players choose Explosive Blast over Energy Torrent. ET animates faster, recharges quicker, and does (slightly) more damage, although it's shorter range and caps at 10 targets instead of 16. Is it the range that's persuading people to put the proc into Explosive Blast?|
Originally Posted by _Toxa_
Explosive Blast on a Time/Nrg defender, for the reason mentioned above, although less useful since all of the other attacks still do KB.
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Originally Posted by _Toxa_
I also have a Claw/EA Brute who is now looking to take up Shockwave, and the word on the street is that it's very good.
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No its not the range. Its because Energy Torrent knocks foes back in a straight line and is therefore more predictable. Explosive Blast is like PbAoE KB and scatters foes in all directions which is more problematic. |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
I've seen several players choose Explosive Blast over Energy Torrent. ET animates faster, recharges quicker, and does (slightly) more damage, although it's shorter range and caps at 10 targets instead of 16. Is it the range that's persuading people to put the proc into Explosive Blast?
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Eventually they will make another -KB IO for something else and then many will play it in Energy Torrent as well.
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If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
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I've read repeatedly that Explosive Blast does NOT do radial Knockback -- it only looks radial. It knocks things away from the user, which will be radial if you're standing in a crowd with enemies in all directions. If you're standing at range from the group, they should all be flung in the same direction like Energy Torrent.|
Originally Posted by Airhammer
No its not the range. Its because Energy Torrent knocks foes back in a straight line and is therefore more predictable. Explosive Blast is like PbAoE KB and scatters foes in all directions which is more problematic.
Eventually they will make another -KB IO for something else and then many will play it in Energy Torrent as well. |
I can't say I've definitively tested that, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it behave that way.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
I've read repeatedly that Explosive Blast does NOT do radial Knockback -- it only looks radial. It knocks things away from the user, which will be radial if you're standing in a crowd with enemies in all directions. If you're standing at range from the group, they should all be flung in the same direction like Energy Torrent.
I can't say I've definitively tested that, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it behave that way. |
This is correct. It's true of most (all?) spherical blasts with knockback. It's also true if you have a spherical blast like Fireball and add a knockback proc to it.
Basically, knockback direction is usually (always?) determined by calculating the angle between the caster and the target. The location of the power itself rarely (never?) matters.
The reason some powers knock back in a direction different than the caster's apparent location is that they summon a pseudo pet, who becomes the "caster" for the purposes of knockback. Lightning Storm is an obvious example. A less obvious example is Jolting Chain, which summons psuedo-pets to do its work, and will tend to scatter lower level enemies because of it.
I'm sure there has to be a reason it hasn't been mentioned but what about Nova? With the lowered rech and no end crash, this may be a good spot for it.
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I can circle the enemy and knock them into a wall with ET, or Hover/Fly over them to knock them "down" - with EB, they will always scatter in every direction, so I put it in EB. Also, yes, my Claws/SR uses Shockwave so much more now |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
I've seen several players choose Explosive Blast over Energy Torrent. ET animates faster, recharges quicker, and does (slightly) more damage, although it's shorter range and caps at 10 targets instead of 16. Is it the range that's persuading people to put the proc into Explosive Blast?
So far the only one I've actually committed to using I put into Shockwave on a Claws/WP Scrapper, and I really like the result. |
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Then why, when I Hover/Fly over a group of enemies and hit them with Explosive Blast do they scatter outwards and don't just fall over, as they would with Energy Torrent?
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
This is correct. It's true of most (all?) spherical blasts with knockback. It's also true if you have a spherical blast like Fireball and add a knockback proc to it.
Basically, knockback direction is usually (always?) determined by calculating the angle between the caster and the target. The location of the power itself rarely (never?) matters. The reason some powers knock back in a direction different than the caster's apparent location is that they summon a pseudo pet, who becomes the "caster" for the purposes of knockback. Lightning Storm is an obvious example. A less obvious example is Jolting Chain, which summons psuedo-pets to do its work, and will tend to scatter lower level enemies because of it. |
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
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Because you're above them, so the angle downward and outward from you to each one of them is slightly different (picture a cone radiating down from you with targets around the circle it makes touching the ground).
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Originally Posted by JayLeonHart_EU
Then why, when I Hover/Fly over a group of enemies and hit them with Explosive Blast do they scatter outwards and don't just fall over, as they would with Energy Torrent?
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Yeah, but since you only get to put it in ONE power, you have to weigh the choice carefully, and the nukes still take a lot longer to recharge than something like Energy Torrent.
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Originally Posted by Asha'man
I'm sure there has to be a reason it hasn't been mentioned but what about Nova? With the lowered rech and no end crash, this may be a good spot for it.
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Understood. I figured that may be it. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Yeah, but since you only get to put it in ONE power, you have to weigh the choice carefully, and the nukes still take a lot longer to recharge than something like Energy Torrent.
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So with that in mind, why would I *not* put it in Explosive Blast over Energy Torrent? |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
Because you're above them, so the angle downward and outward from you to each one of them is slightly different (picture a cone radiating down from you with targets around the circle it makes touching the ground).
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@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
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hmmmm.......small damage added to gravity's WH due to the "jarring" displacement (cough cough)
i will have to look into this proc.
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It was hinted by two Devs that there will be IOs in the future that will affect non damage powers...yeah I know...I can't wait.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Storm
hmmmm.......small damage added to gravity's WH due to the "jarring" displacement (cough cough)
i will have to look into this proc. |
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