"One build to rule them all."
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Posted on: 2012-05-19 22:40 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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You seriously think my accomplishments are on par with soloing -10 gray con enemies? I do not think it's possible for anyone to be that slow minded so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are yet another evil troll. I'm sorry about your condition, please let me know if there's anything I can do to help!
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Don't have to. It's an incarnate running non-incarnate content. This to me seems like "Hey I soloed the AV with my level 50! The AV was lvl 40!"
I'm not saying it isn't awesome! It is! I said I'd be more impressed. Picking the right Destiny, getting it to Tier 4, will help most builds in the survival department. Lore Pets in the damage. But if it helps any, this is why I ran my Staff/WP Stalker through Maria Jenkins (up to the mission with Infernal & Diablolique both in the same mission) before running the incarnate content...to see if my build meets my own goals (solo AVs). |
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Nothing you've said in this thread is even remotely relevant, though your analogy is ironic. Please take your whining elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
You got it backward. Twoheadedboy is the babysitter.
If the babysitter does a bad job warranting not getting paid, I still get the allotted time the babysitter attempted to do their job. So no, the example is not flawed. In fact, the example is practically identical. |
I know you said you aren't trying to brag... but you are bragging, in the end. And most of your posts responding to anyone who points this out, or flaws in your "To Rule Them All" criteria, you respond with either snark, or just being flat-out insulting. It doesn't really do you any justice, if your attempts are to even do that.
We all know Drain Psyche is what carries you through everything. We're also all well aware Drain Psyche is an obscenely powerful ability that needs to be adjusted (at the very least it's scaling -Regen that breaks traditional -Regen debuffing).
The problem with your criteria, however, is that it doesn't go into specifics. Little details inbetween, aside from what it comes from your speed in farming.
How fast is your GM Kill Speed? (Hint: 24 Minute Video?)
How fast is your 1/2 AV Kill Speed?
How fast is your Master of ITF or whichever ITF?
And so on and so on.
While your build may be capable of these feats, you only put emphasis on your strengths, and scoff and claim troll at anyone who attempts to point out your weaknesses, or the comparative numbers needed.
For example; a Plant/Psi/Ice or Fire Or Whatever Dominator may not have your AoE Farming Kill Speed (May not, as unlike you, a Plant Dom CAN artificially go above the target cap your Rain of Arrows if set to), they are more than likely, with out a doubt, terribly TERRIBLY out-speeding you on anything that involves singular or multiple tough opponents (The GM or AV challenges.)
Thusly, if you're going to brag, which you are, post videos demonstrating your prowess. A call of 'put up or shut up', if you will. Do not claim what you do, prove what you do. But I believe you did that once, and people went 'lololololthattookyouHOWlong?" or something.
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Pets are an outside damage source. I do not like them or consider anything accomplished from them to be very noteworthy on my personal characters, the exception being if the pet is part of a primary powerset. Alpha is like an extra global enhancement, interface is like a proc in your attacks. They're expanding upon character builds, not adding something that isn't there. Yes, destiny can come across as a bit of a crutch, but for me the primary function it serves is providing status protection. This dramatically cuts back my inspiration use since I don't need break frees. It's just a luxury, it's not required.
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
And the selective incarnate abilities allowed need to go as well. Why not lore pets? If you use reactive, alpha, destiny, and judgement thats all okay, but not oh no not a pet. That would be cheating :/
Then again, I dont understand why OP said no Patron pets. All seems very character biased to me. also roflmao at rules for the threads and pseudo red naming. |
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Fascinating rant! I see that you are also making the claim that you can accomplish all the same feats on your Dominator. I'd be curious to know more about yours also. Unfortunately, I can't in good conscience reply to the rest of your post since it is inflammatory by nature. You are predisposed to criticize, which is truly a shame. You are the kind of person who sees greatness and then picks at it. I suppose if you ever met a real life super hero while they rescued you from a burning building, you would accuse them of not being able to do it fast enough. You might also reference other super heroes who could do it just as well, theoretically speaking, without any personal claim that's anywhere near as remarkable. People like you are why I felt the need to create the rules in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
For example; a Plant/Psi/Ice or Fire Or Whatever Dominator may not have your AoE Farming Kill Speed (May not, as unlike you, a Plant Dom CAN artificially go above the target cap your Rain of Arrows if set to), they are more than likely, with out a doubt, terribly TERRIBLY out-speeding you on anything that involves singular or multiple tough opponents (The GM or AV challenges.)
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Please take your whining elsewhere.
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But I wanna whine here!! That's what pointless threads are for!
/whine
Reppu, can I see your bikini again? Maybe that will stop me from whining for a little bit
...Oh wow.
Hey, whoever posted the popcorn, pass it here. This is some quality forum crazy.
I have to admit, whenever I see a post by Two Headed Boy...I skip the first few pages and throw myself into the middle in order to get a good laugh. That's usually accomplished by reading posts of him going head to head with others. Once again sir or ma'am, you have not failed me and I appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Somehow i always imagine THB groin-thrusting at his monitor as he posts in these threads. Inexplicable, i know.
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Thats amazing because I usually see the same thing or imagine that he is looking in the mirror, high-fiving himself.
Thank you THB
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Alpha is an outside enhancement, Interface an outside source of procing etc etc. |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Pets are an outside damage source. I do not like them or consider anything accomplished from them to be very noteworthy on my personal characters, the exception being if the pet is part of a primary powerset. Alpha is like an extra global enhancement, interface is like a proc in your attacks. They're expanding upon character builds, not adding something that isn't there. Yes, destiny can come across as a bit of a crutch, but for me the primary function it serves is providing status protection. This dramatically cuts back my inspiration use since I don't need break frees. It's just a luxury, it's not required.
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Patron pets are part of power picks. More than any incarnate power is.
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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Why don't you just shut up, give up and get Kyria her popcorn? She's waiting!|
Originally Posted by tanstaafl
Alpha is an outside enhancement, Interface an outside source of procing etc etc.
Patron pets are part of power picks. More than any incarnate power is. |
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Okay. Not -10. I just through out a number. |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
You seriously think my accomplishments are on par with soloing -10 gray con enemies? I do not think it's possible for anyone to be that slow minded so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are yet another evil troll. I'm sorry about your condition, please let me know if there's anything I can do to help!
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Thought that part would of been obvious.But you're still running normal content with Incarnate character. All that is suppossed to be easier. The devs admitted incarnates would walk through the old content.
And that's what you're doing.
Now, I won't say you're over relying on Drain Psyche at all. That's in the secondary. It's a good abilities. I personally don't think it needs nerfed.
Before Incarnate abilities you did how well at soloing AVs with an IOed Archery/MM Blaster? How well did you solo the ITF or GMs?
Yes. I know incarnate abilities are part of your character. However, they also make non-incarnate content A LOT easier.
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You're just making really poor excuses to skirt around the issue. You're bragging about your accomplishments, but what you fail to realize is people do aspects of your own, better. Here, let me break it down a bit.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Fascinating rant! I see that you are also making the claim that you can accomplish all the same feats on your Dominator. I'd be curious to know more about yours also. Unfortunately, I can't in good conscience reply to the rest of your post since it is inflammatory by nature. You are predisposed to criticize, which is truly a shame. You are the kind of person who sees greatness and then picks at it. I suppose if you ever met a real life super hero while they rescued you from a burning building, you would accuse them of not being able to do it fast enough. You might also reference other super heroes who could do it just as well, theoretically speaking, without any personal claim that's anywhere near as remarkable. People like you are why I felt the need to create the rules in this thread.
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-Solo Giant Monsters. No temp powers or outside +dmg boosts, including Inspirations. And no Lore/Patron pets. | /Psi grants Drain Psyche, with TWICE THE BASE POWER, which is what you use to solo Giant Monsters. A Plant/Psi/Ice has superior Single Target damage, so they will do it faster as well. Point goes to the Dominator.
-Solo 2 level 54 AV's at a time with the same restrictions as the above-mentioned. | /Psi grants Drain Psyche, /-/Ice grants Sleet, which provides another layer of debuffing. Additionally, Confusion will grant the Dominator a lot of leeway to not only solo the 2 AVs, but also have them getting torn apart by their little dogs, too. Point goes to the Dominator.
-Solo Task Forces, including Master of ITF. | Easily, doubly so because the Dominator has a Confusion. Point goes to the Dominator.
-Farm as fast or faster than any other high end farming build. Power-level farming included, 1-50 in around the 2 hour mark. | You actually probably need to prove this one. I am not sure if a Plant/Psi/Ice can do this, but this is definitely the one thing you definitely need to prove that you're capable of doing. In fact, what IS the general method for 1-50 in 2 hours? I'll try to duplicate it on my own Dominator if I knew the actual nitty-gritty method. But, since you can't prove this, and I obviously can't, neither point is awarded.
-Solo enemy groups such as Carnies and Malta on 54x8. | Seeds of Confusion. Beyond that? Sleet, Carrion Creepers, Drain Psyche. Point to the Dominator because they can do it with out any risk at all, period. You have to rely 100% on Rain of Arrows, the Dominator has at minimum three different tools to shut these groups down, permanently.
-Mass-control entire 54x8 spawns, providing mitigation for teammates. | Seeds of Confusion, Carrion Creepers, Roots, Mass AoE Damage, Etc Etc. Dominator Point.
-Take and absorb alpha strikes single-handedly, providing a cushion for teammates. | Seeds of Confusion, Carrion Creepers, Sleet, Mass AoE Damage, Drain Psyche, Soft-Capped due to Ice Mastery, HP Capped due to Ice Mastery and Accolades and Rebirth. Point Dominator.
-Permanently debuff hard single targets, making it easier for everyone in your party to accomplish a goal. | Drain Psyche, Sleet. You can't compare. Point Dominator.
You lose in every case aside maybe the 1-50 Farm, which you need to prove.
Note: I am well aware you get World of Confusion's Mag 2, and sometimes Proc'd, confusion. Dominators get a Mag 6, sometimes proc, confusion. It doesn't compare. Ontop of every other form of CC you mentioned, and magnitudes more. Don't even contest this, because you will lose the moment you try.
Well I am somewhat guilty of falling into THB's trap. He seems like a likable enough guy, just some of his views are kind of odd. I think his Blaster build is actually quite good, I just wish he would present it with a little more humility and be more forthcoming about its faults.
The fact is, every time he posts a build, I feel like I'm looking at the cover of Cosmo. His posts seem to say Isn't this the hottest woman you've ever seen? and I want to write, Actually that's the lead singer from the Black Eyed Peas after Photoshop.
Not to nitpick too hard, but I remind you that the person who is claiming this build offers significant control also recently posted a Controller build that lacked its single target hold. I could have let that go for anyone else, but in this case it's too relevant to the discussion to ignore.
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I don't want to verify specific claims about Plant Dominators, but one additional item for the list: the Plant Dom gets Drain Psyche and Destiny: Barrier, because it doesn't have to rely on Destiny: Clarion for mezz protection.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
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I noted that in terms of the option, or the HP Cap you can theoretically hit with Hoarfrost, Accolades, and Destiny Rebirth. But Destiny Barrier is likely the superior alternative. Regardless, Dominators get many, many more options, and do his Wide Crowd Control infinitely better with a Mag 6 AoE Confusion that also takes his precious proc.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Well I am somewhat guilty of falling into THB's trap. He seems like a likable enough guy, just some of his views are kind of odd. I think his Blaster build is actually quite good, I just wish he would present it with a little more humility and be more forthcoming about its faults.
The fact is, every time he posts a build, I feel like I'm looking at the cover of Cosmo. His posts seem to say Isn't this the hottest woman you've ever seen? and I want to write, Actually that's the lead singer from the Black Eyed Peas after Photoshop. Not to nitpick too hard, but I remind you that the person who is claiming this build offers significant control also recently posted a Controller build that lacked its single target hold. I could have let that go for anyone else, but in this case it's too relevant to the discussion to ignore. I don't want to verify specific claims about Plant Dominators, but one additional item for the list: the Plant Dom gets Drain Psyche and Destiny: Barrier, because it doesn't have to rely on Destiny: Clarion for mezz protection. |
Sooo....nerf Doms?
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Totally.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Sooo....nerf Doms?
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Yeah, THB is nice enough, but it is a case of a big, slightly undeserved ego.|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Well I am somewhat guilty of falling into THB's trap. He seems like a likable enough guy, just some of his views are kind of odd. I think his Blaster build is actually quite good, I just wish he would present it with a little more humility and be more forthcoming about its faults.
The fact is, every time he posts a build, I feel like I'm looking at the cover of Cosmo. His posts seem to say Isn't this the hottest woman you've ever seen? and I want to write, Actually that's the lead singer from the Black Eyed Peas after Photoshop. Not to nitpick too hard, but I remind you that the person who is claiming this build offers significant control also recently posted a Controller build that lacked its single target hold. I could have let that go for anyone else, but in this case it's too relevant to the discussion to ignore. |
IMO there are very few people I know of who deserve such an ego. Dech's for contributing his guides. Alienone. Aracanaville for their infomation/data mining. Oedipus_Tex for his terrible and constant sig puns. Basically anyone who contributes good guides or info.
However, that is a pretty good build. I can find no flaws with it, but for control, a dom is definatly better.
Is this where I lodge a complaint about the TwoHeadedBoy Market? I would like a refund of 10 inf because the "Super Happy Funtime Power Item" I purchased wasn't as fun as advertised. In fact it was just a small yellow inspiration. While I understand that "fun" is subjective I believe it's in the best interest of your long-term business plan to foster a loyal customer base, and a refund and more detailed descriptions of your products would go a long way towards this. Thank you for your time.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
He seems like a likable enough guy, just some of his views are kind of odd.
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Originally Posted by Trilby
Yeah, THB is nice enough, but it is a case of a big, slightly undeserved ego.
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Are we reading the same posts?
He does nothing but insult the entire community at every turn, attempting to rub our faces in his personal greatness.
On top of that, he is actually serious about charging other people to pay him in game money for playing. That is one of the most [redacted] things I see people do in this game.
How on earth can one think this guy is nice or likable is beyond me.
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I originally thought the same but recent threads such as the crab build challenge where he was adamant he had won by the 3rd page or so of builds and continued to state this fact, AND how much of a prat he has come across in this thread; I am forced to adopt your views of him. |
Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
THB seems l nothing anywhere close to nice or likable to me.
Are we reading the same posts? He does nothing but insult the entire community at every turn, attempting to rub our faces in his personal greatness. On top of that, he is actually serious about charging other people to pay him in game money for playing. That is one of the most [redacted] things I see people do in this game. How on earth can one think this guy is nice or likable is beyond me. |
Lost the vast respect I had for THB during this post, which was not inconsiderable.
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I nominate this thread for the Most Creative Trolling of the month. Mo|
Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
THB seems l nothing anywhere close to nice or likable to me.
Are we reading the same posts? He does nothing but insult the entire community at every turn, attempting to rub our faces in his personal greatness. On top of that, he is actually serious about charging other people to pay him in game money for playing. That is one of the most [redacted] things I see people do in this game. How on earth can one think this guy is nice or likable is beyond me. |
Seriously M.Prankster, check some of the OP's posts in the various build threads. Manic self-entitlement is soooooooooo uber and sexy ...
Edit: Black-Assassin hit it on the head.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
...[I]t would be more proper to say this game is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowly dying.
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OP is like a Silverado wannabe which was an Ultimus wannabe which was an "anyone who actually accomplished impressive things first" wannabe. Psst... When you're five years after everyone and had to be spoonfed your build choices, it's not impressive anymore.
On the bright side, these posters never seem to last more than a couple of years. Puberty probably...
I demand to know which one of the boy's two heads are posting these builds because the other head promised he would no longer share his spectacular knowledge with the rest of the forum rabble.
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Jelly of you? Someone that has to constantly make bragging threads masquerading as " GENERAL BLASTER THREADS" or "GENERAL BUILD THREADS" to boost his own self esteem? Please. My first Blaster was a DP/MM after Gunmage. farmed me up, that can do all of the above easily and shelved in about a month. Not to mention a /dark, /time MM mixed and matched with bots, thugs or demons also does the same thing with less investment. |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Drain Psyche is a great power, yes. It aids me wonderfully in my accomplishments. I like it quite a bit. Implying "tl;dr drain psyche" is not accurate, though! You can't do any of the above without good defense and resistance- The +regen is great, but it's not enough on its own to warrant high end enemy group soloing.
Even with that layered survivability, you can't expect it to last indefinitely. Eventually, if you just stand still, you WILL die. You need to be able to dispatch enemies quickly. When it comes to power leveling and farming, the focus is killing things swiftly. Sure, Drain Psyche's self +regen aids in that, but the primary goal is to do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible. The same goes for AV fights- You need to build the appropriate survivability and have well slotted single target attacks in order to dispatch your enemy swiftly. Taking alpha strikes on Incarnate leagues? My Blaster has soloed entire bunkers on Keyes, gotten all the temps, charged terminals, gone back and done it again. This isn't just a "Drain Psyche is OP" case. I think that there are other combos of sets and AT's that can achieve the same level of self sufficiency and greatness that I have on my Blaster. I regret that I've been forced to defend myself in this post, but please try to remember, casual reader, that the ignorance of one poster being corrected does not mean that I created this thread to brag! Edit: To elaborate. The last poster is clearly intent on summarizing my accomplishments in single words, thus undermining them. You would think that this poster must have a GREAT character that is truly a gem in our game, that can accomplish all of these same things without any of the powers I used! Either he has found some unheard of, amazing way to beat the heck out of this game, or he is just bitter and jealous because his own accomplishments on HIS characters do not stand up to my own. I'll let you decide.  |
Funny how one skill carries are entire build, yet you seem to like to constantly remind everyone that you're the one that discovered the holy grail, even when you didn't.
edit: okay kind of late, I was busy sunday and couldn't reply, I'll probably leave it as it is
If the babysitter does a bad job warranting not getting paid, I still get the allotted time the babysitter attempted to do their job.
So no, the example is not flawed. In fact, the example is practically identical.