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Posted on: 2012-05-19 22:40 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I see you have yet to even try to refute my theory that your Dominator does not exist. I can think of no other reason for your bold assertion of superiority paired with your unwillingness to prove any of your points! Have you fabricated this Dominator of yours? Have you actually achieved any of the things you claim to be so much better at? Or have you simply been asserting that your spreadsheets are better than my spreadsheets?
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Somewhat discourteous
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I'm racing what's his name tomorrow night, so we'll have that discussion tomorrow.
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Since you figure was off by almost 20%, I'm starting to wonder if you really meant:|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I gave a general time frame. I never said it was exactly 2 hours to the dot. The point is that even if my figure is off, I maintain that I am as fast as the average high end farmer. I'm racing what's his name tomorrow night, so we'll have that discussion tomorrow. At least I'm sure that his character is real. Reppu has probably conused their spreadsheets with an actual character that exists in game.
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-You PRETTY MUCH solo +4/x8 Malta on MOST occasions, SELDOM with any fatalities and RARELY with any outside help.
-You ALMOST defeated two +1 AV's within 20 minutes of each other.
Etc. etc.
See, the key to credibility is, you know, being credible. That means not fudging your numbers in the first place. Note that it wasn't us that made the original claims, it was you, posting them as fact and not approximations.
Surely you can understand why questionable comments made on your own part subjects your entire claim to further scrutiny?
Now personally, I believe MOST of your story, +/- 20% embellishment. I've never been a player to state that Blasters were underpowered. Some certainly need help, but not all of them. You've pretty much set a tone here that negates all the arguments thrown in favor of Blaster Buffing and for that, I'm sure your fellow blasters appreciate you holding up the AT as it was intended.
I'll offer a solution that doesn't involve transfers.
You can each PL one of my characters on your respective home servers. I'll time both journeys. I'll even use characters I have no interest in playing so that I have no benefit to the process.
Where to now?
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You're entitled to that opinion, certainly. I said "around the two hour mark," though. I never said "exactly two hours." The overall point still stands that I can compete with high end farming builds speed wise. This is a point that has been contested, and is really the heart of the matter. It's a point that I have been asked to prove, and so I have scheduled to prove it tomorrow due to scheduling. I don't see what more I can really do at this point.
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Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
Since you figure was off by almost 20%, I'm starting to wonder if you really meant:
-You PRETTY MUCH solo +4/x8 Malta on MOST occasions, SELDOM with any fatalities and RARELY with any outside help. -You ALMOST defeated two +1 AV's within 20 minutes of each other. Etc. etc. See, the key to credibility is, you know, being credible. That means not fudging your numbers in the first place. Note that it wasn't us that made the original claims, it was you, posting them as fact and not approximations. Surely you can understand why questionable comments made on your own part subjects your entire claim to further scrutiny? Now personally, I believe MOST of your story, +/- 20% embellishment. I've never been a player to state that Blasters were underpowered. Some certainly need help, but not all of them. You've pretty much set a tone here that negates all the arguments thrown in favor of Blaster Buffing and for that, I'm sure your fellow blasters appreciate you holding up the AT as it was intended. |
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Oh and in my 2/3years of being on ITFs I can safely say NOTHING I have seen has melted the towers solo as fast as a plant/psi domi
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I see you have yet to even try to refute my theory that your Dominator does not exist. I can think of no other reason for your bold assertion of superiority paired with your unwillingness to prove any of your points! Have you fabricated this Dominator of yours? Have you actually achieved any of the things you claim to be so much better at? Or have you simply been asserting that your spreadsheets are better than my spreadsheets?
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I accept! Are you free Wednesday evening?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'll offer a solution that doesn't involve transfers.
You can each PL one of my characters on your respective home servers. I'll time both journeys. I'll even use characters I have no interest in playing so that I have no benefit to the process. |
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Yes. I have done all of this. It was my successful ploy to your logic. Now, let me correct you...|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I see you have yet to even try to refute my theory that your Dominator does not exist. I can think of no other reason for your bold assertion of superiority paired with your unwillingness to prove any of your points! Have you fabricated this Dominator of yours? Have you actually achieved any of the things you claim to be so much better at? Or have you simply been asserting that your spreadsheets are better than my spreadsheets?
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When did I ever say this was MY Dominator? My Dominator is Plant/DARK/Ice. I trade Drain Psyche for a superior AoE and Single Target game. Immensely superior. And I'd argue it might be superior, except for GM Killing, since not having Drain Psyche is very painful, but Dark boasts vastly superior ST Damage in it's attack chain, and a superior AoE.
I never once claimed, despite your attempts to deface my argument, my chosen Dominator was Plant/Psi/Ice. I was just capable of providing irrefutable logic and math that the combination can do EVERYTHING besides two aspects that your Blaster does, better.
You cannot deny this, except you can ignorantly claim that "Well MINE exists and yours is theoretical so HAHAHA I win", but no. This doesn't work in City of Heroes.
Now, if I were to compare Plant/Dark/Ice to your build, well.
1) I have a FAR superior Attack Chain for Single Target Damage.
2) I have the superior AoE over Psychic Shockwave in Engulfing Darkness.
3) I lose in GM Killing Speed due to no inherent -Regen, from Drain Psyche. AV is a YMMV aspect, however. Not all AVs have high levels of Regen to abuse their HP pools off of.
Would I race you in, say, Farm Speed? No. I don't do Speed Farming. I'm not interested in it. Am I capable of it? Sure, I do it. But it's not fun to me.
Would I race you in AV kill speed? No. I'm not interested in racing you. You're too much of a prat still.
Would I race you in GM kill speed? I'd lose this race because you don't allow temporary powers, so no. It's not worth racing.
The changes between Dark vs. Psi is that Dark trades the -Regen, which is relevant on GMs and... GMs, for superior ST and AoE. It's a more than fair trade off. It also gets a +DMG power, which is decent.
So, yes. I DO have a Plant/Dark/Ice, which I argue is competitive as well. Drain Psyche is a great power, but it's primary use as a GM Killer isn't required as soloing GMs isn't that big of a deal (other ATs Do It Better), and it's survivability use, while noteworthy, is a comprehensive comparison in use vs. Dominator hard CC and soft CC from numerous -ToHit debuffings.
So, there you go. I do not have what I never claimed I have, but I have what I do claim I have.
And it's sexy. And pink.
And you're a Screwdriver.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'll offer a solution that doesn't involve transfers.
You can each PL one of my characters on your respective home servers. I'll time both journeys. I'll even use characters I have no interest in playing so that I have no benefit to the process. |
I'm simply providing numerical evidence countering his claims. Ones he cannot dispute. He simply chooses to ignore this and focus on his Farm Time and Burst Damage.
... And didn't I say he probably out-farms a Dominator anyway? I swear I keep doing this. I am NOT disputing this fact.
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Ah, I see! I guess that's what you'll be using then. Now you are tasked with farming faster than my Archery/Mental Blaster and soloing an AV faster than my Archery/Mental Blaster. Dechs has offered to sit in on both counts as an impartial judge. I won't make you fight a GM because that'd just be mean. I can solo GM's and you can't. I don't care about your excuses or your logic. You can't do things that my Blaster can do AT ALL, and I'm willing to bet the things that you CAN do, I can do better. |
Originally Posted by Reppu
Yes. I have done all of this. It was my successful ploy to your logic. Now, let me correct you...
When did I ever say this was MY Dominator? My Dominator is Plant/DARK/Ice. I trade Drain Psyche for a superior AoE and Single Target game. Immensely superior. And I'd argue it might be superior, except for GM Killing, since not having Drain Psyche is very painful, but Dark boasts vastly superior ST Damage in it's attack chain, and a superior AoE. |
And I'm willing to prove it, so put up or shut up. In the future, I recommend that you don't argue that something that doesn't even exist is better than something that does exist. It's silly.
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Hmmm. So to summarize:|
Originally Posted by Reppu
I could probably compete easily with Plant/Dark/Ice. Again, it has better AoE than /Psi, and Drain Psyche isn't needed in farming. Will I do this, though? No. I'm not interested. I'm not here to dispute in-game performance. I'm not a Farmer. I don't play on Freedom for that reason.
I'm simply providing numerical evidence countering his claims. Ones he cannot dispute. He simply chooses to ignore this and focus on his Farm Time and Burst Damage. ... And didn't I say he probably out-farms a Dominator anyway? I swear I keep doing this. I am NOT disputing this fact. |
-Your Dominator CANNOT solo GM's.
-Your Dominator CANNOT compete with my Blaster's AOE.
All that you have left is beating me out against an AV. Even if you're able to do that, it would seem that you are the only dishonest poster in this thread. You have argued that an imaginary Dominator you do not even have is better than my Blaster, while concealing the fact that your own Dominator is unable to do the things that my Blaster can do.
I do not appreciate your misleading statements and your attempts to discredit me through nonexistant characters. I also do not appreciate your asserting the superiority of a character that you do not even have when it comes to accomplishing feats that I have actually accomplished. It is underhanded and dishonest.
Two heads, use them, let this die and sink to the bottem.
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-Solo Giant Monsters. No temp powers or outside +dmg boosts, including Inspirations. And no Lore/Patron pets. | Cannot be done, admittedly. Or can it? Let me test this if I ever care. Can someone get me average GM Regen per second?|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Hmmm. So to summarize:
-Your Dominator CANNOT solo GM's. -Your Dominator CANNOT compete with my Blaster's AOE. All that you have left is beating me out against an AV. Even if you're able to do that, it would seem that you are the only dishonest poster in this thread. You have argued that an imaginary Dominator you do not even have is better than my Blaster, while concealing the fact that your own Dominator is unable to do the things that my Blaster can do. I do not appreciate your misleading statements and your attempts to discredit me through nonexistant characters. I also do not appreciate your asserting the superiority of a character that you do not even have when it comes to accomplishing feats that I have actually accomplished. It is underhanded and dishonest. |
-Solo 2 level 54 AV's at a time with the same restrictions as the above-mentioned. | Done it.
-Solo Task Forces, including Master of ITF. | Done it.
-Farm as fast or faster than any other high end farming build. Power-level farming included, 1-50 in around the 2 hour mark. | Will probably be slower, but not by enough of a margin to be noteworthy.
-Solo enemy groups such as Carnies and Malta on 54x8. | Can do it easier. FAR easier.
-Mass-control entire 54x8 spawns, providing mitigation for teammates. | FAR better.
-Take and absorb alpha strikes single-handedly, providing a cushion for teammates. | FAR FAR better.
-Permanently debuff hard single targets, making it easier for everyone in your party to accomplish a goal. | Sleet beats Drain Psyche as a debuff. Also all the ToHit debuffs. And everything is PermaConfused and killing themselves. Or busy beating up Tentacles.
That is what I am disputing, now, for Plant/Dark/Ice. NOW, let us add the following as well:
-Capable of increasing party Defense, Resistance, Regen, and Endurance Gain ontop of everything else.
-Two tools of Self-Healing outside of Inspirations.
-Minimum Soft-capped Defense with out the use of Inspirations.
-Does not waste Destiny on Clarion.
-Does not waste Inspiration Slots on Break Frees.
-Has numerous additional bodies to soak up the alpha, providing many more layers of defense not only for myself, but for the party as a whole due to further decreased risk of the enemy even acknowledging them as an attack target.
Are you capable of this? I'm willing to trade gimmicky GM soloing and maybe 30 minutes to an hour slower 1-50 Farm Speed for all of the above.
See, you say "far better" on subjective matters. There is no "better" way to take and absorb an alpha strike. Once it's absorbed and taken, it's absorbed and taken.
You can solo Malta and Carnies "far easier"? Well I bet you can, on your character. Just like it'd be easier for me on MY character. Subjective reasoning once again.
"Sleet beats Drain Psyche as a debuff" is subjective also. Let's see if Sleet is enough of a debuff for you to solo a GM without any outside damage sources.
Sure, you'll be better at controlling, but unlike you, there is nothing on the list that I CAN'T do. The rest is all just your opinion vs. my opinion. Unfortunately since there seems to be criteria that you do not meet at all, you are not a viable contender.
Of course, now I don't even know if you have a Dominator at all! You have established a track record of fabricating characters. For all I know this Dominator does not exist either.
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Please let me know if you can do the other points, quoted for you.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
See, you say "far better" on subjective matters. There is no "better" way to take and absorb an alpha strike. Once it's absorbed and taken, it's absorbed and taken.
You can solo Malta and Carnies "far easier"? Well I bet you can, on your character. Just like it'd be easier for me on MY character. Subjective reasoning once again. "Sleet beats Drain Psyche as a debuff" is subjective also. Let's see if Sleet is enough of a debuff for you to solo a GM without any outside damage sources. Sure, you'll be better at controlling, but unlike you, there is nothing on the list that I CAN'T do. The rest is all just your opinion vs. my opinion. Unfortunately since there seems to be criteria that you do not meet at all, you are not a viable contender. Of course, now I don't even know if you have a Dominator at all! You have established a track record of fabricating characters. For all I know this Dominator does not exist either. |
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Originally Posted by Reppu
-Capable of increasing party Defense, Resistance, Regen, and Endurance Gain ontop of everything else. -Two tools of Self-Healing outside of Inspirations. -Minimum Soft-capped Defense with out the use of Inspirations. -Does not waste Destiny on Clarion. -Does not waste Inspiration Slots on Break Frees. -Has numerous additional bodies to soak up the alpha, providing many more layers of defense not only for myself, but for the party as a whole due to further decreased risk of the enemy even acknowledging them as an attack target. Are you capable of this? I'm willing to trade gimmicky GM soloing and maybe 30 minutes to an hour slower 1-50 Farm Speed for all of the above. |
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See, now you are picking at my build choices. If I wanted to, I could have Aid Self and Hoarfrost. I could also use Barrier for team +defense and carry Break Frees. I choose not to do those things because it does not suit my playstyle. I have played a s/l softcapped version of my Blaster also- Once again, it's a BUILD CHOICE. I get better overall performance being able to softcap all positions with one small inspiration. By swapping between destinies and doing a respec, I could accomplish all of the things you listed also.
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-Capable of increasing party Defense, Resistance, Regen, and Endurance Gain ontop of everything else. -Two tools of Self-Healing outside of Inspirations. -Minimum Soft-capped Defense with out the use of Inspirations. -Does not waste Destiny on Clarion. -Does not waste Inspiration Slots on Break Frees. |
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I am sorry but it would of only of taken a moment to scroll down and find out 'whats his name's' name. That would be me, your have dictated to Reppu that you basically do not tolerate insults, and I see your point. But you sir, have just insulted me.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I gave a general time frame. I never said it was exactly 2 hours to the dot. The point is that even if my figure is off, I maintain that I am as fast as the average high end farmer. I'm racing what's his name tomorrow night, so we'll have that discussion tomorrow. At least I'm sure that his character is real. Reppu has probably confused their spreadsheets with an actual character that exists in game.
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Sorry, I honestly didn't even mean to be sarcastic or insulting with that. I should have scrolled down and found your name, I was just double-fisting conversations so I got distracted and rushed through the post. I sincerely apologize for insulting you.
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Originally Posted by Cag
I am sorry but it would of only of taken a moment to scroll down and find out 'whats his name's' name. That would be me, your have dictated to Reppu that you basically do not tolerate insults, and I see your point. But you sir, have just insulted me.
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2headedboy. Reppu.
....Get a room. Geeze.
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Also, sorry. You wanted to play Criteria, I played Criteria in return.
Also, by swapping out of Clarion, unless you eat a Break Free every few seconds, you can no longer do Malta or Carnies, ontop of losing other aspects, and as well you probably greatly endanger yourself in other fields (AV and GM soloing). You sacrificing MUCH more than I do.
Did it for you. btw.
Cut it down to make it not stretch the damned forum.
Edit: I think that's the Farming Mode build, too, considering the lack of Venus. Eh, I dunno. Too lazy to double check that.
That's a very convenient cut, right before where your set bonuses would be! Hmm. Do I sense the shame of a sub-par build?
Congratulations, though. You have proven that a character who does NOT meet all the criteria presented in the original post does in fact exist. You have proven yourself to not be a completely treacherous person.
Unfortunately it is too little too late. You have already violated the rules of the thread by arguing the merits of a character that does not even exist. This theoretical Plant/Psi/Ice Dominator that you spent the better part of your posts here bragging about turned out to be a figment of your imagination. I'm sure you can understand why I was skeptical about anything else you said being honest.
Also, a very convenient coverup of your buff bar! Is it possible that you not only suffer from a sub par build, or lack of one at all, but also a complete absence of Incarnate abilities and accolades? Hmmm. Now, none of this really matters, as you have already proven that you are not capable of any of the things you claimed to be capable of. It just does more to call in to question the integrity of anything you say at all.
Since no-one really cares about THBs self-promotion anymore, whats the optimal attack chain for a /DA domi?
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Siiiigh. That was due to the stupid Inspiration Box glitch. My Inspiration Box is generally near my powers. My apologies for 'hiding' my Set Bonuses, too. Would you like my Mids Build? I simply didn't bother to know where the cut happen ( I was actually hiding my cat window because people I have having conversations with do not need to be subject to your debauchery).
You have a lot of nitpicking. And lost anyway.
PS: I keep Auto Powers from showing up anyway, so you wouldn't see any of that. Sorry? You're not worth totally altering my UI Set up for.
Attack Chain for Dark Assault: Midnight Grasp > Smite > Gloom > Dark Blast is what I run. I'd love to get another Smite in there but it's not possible. GLOOM IS TOO FAST. Opt Drain Life over Dark Blast if your HP is below 100%.
In fact, I have the desire to derail this thread entirely and now only discuss other things. Let us discuss attack chains, Ponies, and Candy.
Cheers im interested in a new plant domi now and havent tried dark assault yet and since Phillips wont believe us on the carrion creepers front...well...i can live with that i think
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