"One build to rule them all."
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Posted on: 2012-05-19 22:40 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
That isn't to say I don't have a few more solid builds, but generally, mediocrity holds sway. I shoot for +1 / x5 not +4 / x8 (and I don't even always make it to that).
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I tend to allow concept hold sway and actually hope to be challenged by it. I could start anything today, have it 50 in no time, fully incarnated in no time and play a goddess amongst men type character but then get bored as I am not challenged by it. It's a bit like reading a Superman comic, where he saves the day, nothing can possibly touch him and so there is no moment of suspense and no climax.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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You tube is full of people doing these things. Might want to pop one up of your fire cave farming run so that people may see those numbers and letters operate under real conditions.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Now, this isn't meant as a brag thread.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I wonder what his reaction will be when the magic mirror tells him about Snow White? 
Might I derail the conversation by suggesting an actual contender?
Plant/Psi/Fire?
Alternately, Fire/Psi/Ice?
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Eh, just toss him into Mount Doom. At least then it's in the same fictional setting.|
Originally Posted by Fugacity
I wonder what his reaction will be when the magic mirror tells him about Snow White?
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Somehow i always imagine THB groin-thrusting at his monitor as he posts in these threads. Inexplicable, i know.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Nobody shamelessly self-promotes quite as...vigorously as THB lately. The funny part is that his blaster really is pretty powerful, but the way he constantly brags about it...can't stop picturing this:|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Somehow i always imagine THB groin-thrusting at his monitor as he posts in these threads. Inexplicable, i know.
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Remarkable viewpoint, citizen! I'm sorry that your preoccupation with my groin has prevented you from comprehending or following the rules of the thread. Please return to the original post and re-read the rules in order to ensure that your future posts are only filled with relevant discussion. |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Eh, just toss him into Mount Doom. At least then it's in the same fictional setting.
Somehow i always imagine THB groin-thrusting at his monitor as he posts in these threads. Inexplicable, i know. |
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Sure! Please let me know as soon as you build a Controller that can farm on 54x8 as fast or faster than high end Brute sets, and solo AV's and GM's in a reasonable amount of time under the same conditions mentioned in the original post. I look forward to what you come up with!
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Originally Posted by Neogumbercules
Might I derail the conversation by suggesting an actual contender?
Plant/Psi/Fire? Alternately, Fire/Psi/Ice? |
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Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
I would like to run a cave just to see if this farms as fast as a SS/Fire/Mu
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Originally Posted by firespray
I'd almost pay for this just to see if you can back up your boasts about running the cave farm as fast as a ss/fire. I seriously doubt that you can, but I could be wrong.
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You're both welcome to pay the rate of 350 million per run if you'd like to see this feat in action first hand! Unfortunately if you can't afford to pay the price listed in the TwoHeadedBoy Market, you will have to wait until this particular item goes on sale. I'll talk to marketing about adding a sale price in the future!
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Umm, those would be dominator builds, not controller builds. And yes, certain dom builds can solo just as fast as arch/ment (not to mention MUCH safer) and are just as capable at soloing high lvl AVs and GMs.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Sure! Please let me know as soon as you build a Controller that can farm on 54x8 as fast or faster than high end Brute sets, and solo AV's and GM's in a reasonable amount of time under the same conditions mentioned in the original post. I look forward to what you come up with!
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Fascinating! How many Dominators have you accomplished all these feats on?
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Originally Posted by Little_Whorn
Umm, those would be dominator builds, not controller builds. And yes, certain dom builds can solo just as fast as arch/ment (not to mention MUCH safer) and are just as capable at soloing high lvl AVs and GMs.
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Personally, just my plant/psi/ice. She's my main and so she tends to take most of my inf. But, with more money, I'm sure I could build a fire/psi/fire or a fire/psi/ice or a plant/psi/fire to accomplish the same goals. I think plant is a bit faster than fire, but I'm fairly certain fire could compete with plant and your blaster if built right.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Fascinating! How many Dominators have you accomplished all these feats on?
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But let me redirect back to you: How many Blasters have you accomplished all these feats on?
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Just one! I would be interested in seeing more on your Plant/Psi/Ice. I have a good friend who plays this build as expensive or more expensive than my Blaster's build, who openly admits that he does not perform as well as my Blaster does. Since I know him to be a good player, it makes me skeptical that you are able to get such superior results.
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Originally Posted by Little_Whorn
Personally, just my plant/psi/ice. She's my main and so she tends to take most of my inf. But, with more money, I'm sure I could build a fire/psi/fire or a fire/psi/ice or a plant/psi/fire to accomplish the same goals. I think plant is a bit faster than fire, but I'm fairly certain fire could compete with plant and your blaster if built right.
But let me redirect back to you: How many Blasters have you accomplished all these feats on? |
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Those are some interesting choices, citizen!|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I really do rarely build "well", at least for solo play.
Plus my Fire/Mental went into the, "Yeah, maybe someday bin" shortly after I hit 50. Someday has not yet come. Heh, I still have old fitness. I took Nerve on my Kat/Invuln/Power so I could have more taunt. I built my Kat/Regen/Blaze for run speed, because she needs to go fast. My primary blaster is a melee centric build with resistance, +HPs, and +regen. Her true strength comes from having so many defender (and tanker) friends. My Emp/Elec/Power is built for +damage and I took Musculature so I could be even more damaging (on an Emp/Elec, yeah, building for my strengths ), the Barrier with 2x res instead of the one with perma buffs, and I shamefully (and I mean it really hurts me, but I do it anyway) buff my Vicki with AB and Fort when she is out, and I have a tier 4 Gravitic because I was hoping the recovery debuffs would help me keep harder targets drained easier (it doesn't seem to anything). So I pretty much built my Emp/Elec for mediocrity (despite having all of my primary and using it constantly when teamed, I built to be OK for solo on +1 (well +2 now since the level shift) / x3 to 5) and have a measly 1217 HPs, no resistances, and just ~8% defense.That isn't to say I don't have a few more solid builds, but generally, mediocrity holds sway. I shoot for +1 / x5 not +4 / x8 (and I don't even always make it to that). |
Here is how I would build a Fire/Mental Blaster if I were so inclined. Unfortunately mine is also currently shelved at 50 and exiled to the ((Parenthesis Server.))
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Why would i pay 350mill to be farmed on a 50?
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
You're both welcome to pay the rate of 350 million per run if you'd like to see this feat in action first hand! Unfortunately if you can't afford to pay the price listed in the TwoHeadedBoy Market, you will have to wait until this particular item goes on sale. I'll talk to marketing about adding a sale price in the future!
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Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
Why would i pay 350mill to be farmed on a 50?
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Also, although it is off topic, If anyone is interested in more information:
As you can see, I have moved to a micro-transaction model. My build has been provided free of charge! Yes, you average citizen, can now go to the Paragon Market and duplicate the brilliance that I mentioned in the OP, and the build necessary for these feats comes at NO COST TO YOU! It's FREE! I also offer these great incentives for your support: -For 350 million infamy, my Blaster will run you through a 54x8 cave farm on Freedom! -For 500 million infamy, my Blaster will perform "Villain Stance 2" in your presence and allow you to touch his hair! -For 1 billion infamy, my Blaster will pose for a picture with you on the character of your choice! -For 2 billion infamy, my Blaster will add you to his global friends list and share cooperative and friendly dialog with you, while mentoring you and increasing your knowledge of the game! This is a one week long program, and you MUST pay up front! Please contact me on the forums- Either in this thread or via PM, or send me a tell in game (@Septipheran) if you are interested in purchasing any of the items from the newly introduced TwoHeadedBoy Market! |
Referring to your earlier post, THB: Well, as I'm sure you're aware, everyone builds differently. Two builds, even at high levels of expense, can perform very differently, especially in the hands of two different skilled players. So I can only speak for myself. I don't know how this other player built his dom or played it. Further, seeds of confusion, in certain circumstances, tends to make every spawn experience different. For example, if the spawn is longbow, seeds tends to make the entire encounter extremely fast once the nullifiers mass res debuff their friends. But, put me up against carnies which phase, and my "constant stream" of damage suffers in comparison to your blasters "high burst" damage. Another example of variable performance comes against malta. You'd think the robots high psi resists would slow my plant/psi/ice dom, but the combination of seeds, malta's high damage attacks, and sleet makes every encounter almost a breeze.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't know how I could prove to you that my dom can compete with your blaster. I can't speak for your friend and his experiences are by no means reflective on my performance. I'd offer to show in person, but I'm a virtue player and you're on freedom. I'm not surprised you don't believe me, but there's not much I can do about that.
Do you cave farm with or without patrols?
What's your average time for clearing a cave?
How do you keep them from scattering on a blaster. The mobs running away and/or shooting from range drove me batty. I was running Fire/Ment with RoF, and almost decided I'd be better off without RoF.
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1. With patrols.|
Originally Posted by Linea_Alba
Do you cave farm with or without patrols?
What's your average time for clearing a cave? How do you keep them from scattering on a blaster. The mobs running away and/or shooting from range drove me batty. I was running Fire/Ment with RoF, and almost decided I'd be better off without RoF. |
2. I'm not aware of my best time for clearing a cave- I power level on a map with a timer in order to judge how quickly I am leveling my minion. My record for 1-50 is around the two hour mark, not counting any stops in between maps.
3. I have E-Fences to lock down spawns which is a reliable way to keep enemies from scattering too much. Once i23 comes out and I have Hybrid's taunt aura, I expect that I will become even more efficient.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
-Mass-control entire 54x8 spawns, providing mitigation for teammates.
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I'm not convinced your build does this, unless you are being cheeky with what the term "mass control" means. If you're implying that your Blaster is competive with control classes like Controllers and Dominators for control, you are mistaken.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Take and absorb alpha strikes single-handedly, providing a cushion for teammates.
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Overall, I think it's not hard to build the "best" character when you control what categories you choose to measure and how much value to put on each of them.
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Mass confusion and stacked AOE immobilze! Since I play in melee range, I am able to reap the full benefits of World of Confusion, A Coercive Persuasion proc, and Cognitive Interface. I also use t4 Clarion with +secondary effects to make WoC even more powerful. Additionally, Drain Psyche's -recovery and the -endurance from Fences and Ion add another level of mitigation. Finally there is the stun factor from Psychic Shockwave. There are regular posters on this forum who can verify this level of performance, I can ask someone to stop in and verify if you'd like!
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I'm not convinced your build does this, unless you are being cheeky with what the term "mass control" means. If you're implying that your Blaster is competive with control classes like Controllers and Dominators for control, you are mistaken.
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350 million a run I would naturally expect to be done around 35 mins total clean up of say, wait I won't list map numbers but people should know the most popular farms ingame including the Atta map one. You can have the glowie come up on the map signalling full clear.
If it takes 70 mins I would naturally want a discount from 350 million, perhaps something in the region of 200-250. No more than that.
I don't need to do it but I do know farmers and their builds rather well.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Mass confusion and stacked AOE immobilze! Since I play in melee range, I am able to reap the full benefits of World of Confusion, A Coercive Persuasion proc, and Cognitive Interface. I also use t4 Clarion with +secondary effects to make WoC even more powerful. Additionally, Drain Psyche's -recovery and the -endurance from Fences and Ion add another level of mitigation. Finally there is the stun factor from Psychic Shockwave. There are regular posters on this forum who can verify this level of performance, I can ask someone to stop in and verify if you'd like!
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You're evading the statement. The statement is not that you can acheive some level of control. It's that your Blaster is not competitive with Controllers or Dominators who specialize in control. You are not "mass controlling" spawns except in a limited way that suits your boasting.
Plus my Fire/Mental went into the, "Yeah, maybe someday bin" shortly after I hit 50. Someday has not yet come. Heh, I still have old fitness.
I took Nerve on my Kat/Invuln/Power so I could have more taunt.
I built my Kat/Regen/Blaze for run speed, because she needs to go fast.
My primary blaster is a melee centric build with resistance, +HPs, and +regen. Her true strength comes from having so many defender (and tanker) friends.
My Emp/Elec/Power is built for +damage and I took Musculature so I could be even more damaging (on an Emp/Elec, yeah, building for my strengths
That isn't to say I don't have a few more solid builds, but generally, mediocrity holds sway. I shoot for +1 / x5 not +4 / x8 (and I don't even always make it to that).
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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