Anyone Tired of COX and Paragon Market
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-05-12 11:33 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I must say that I agree with much of what the OP states and have felt that way for quite some time.
My biggest complaint about CoX is that it is so limited in scope. No matter the new Issue, it remains: some kind of similar good guys beat on some kind of similar bad guys in some kind of similar settings. Some players think (and I used to be one) that the limited scope is this game's Strength - it does one thing only and does it well. But now I see that as more of a detriment than an asset.
There just isn't the variety of things to do to keep me happy any longer and sustain the feeling that I'm role-playing a character to the fullest possible extent.
So, I am taking the advice of many on these boards by taking a long break and going Premium (should start tomorrow) since I've found another MMO that offers what is for me, a more well-rounded RPG experience.
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Originally Posted by Fritzy
I must say that I agree with much of what the OP states and have felt that way for quite some time.
My biggest complaint about CoX is that it is so limited in scope. No matter the new Issue, it remains: some kind of similar good guys beat on some kind of similar bad guys in some kind of similar settings. |
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| So, I am taking the advice of many on these boards by taking a long break and going Premium (should start tomorrow) since I've found another MMO that offers what is for me, a more well-rounded RPG experience. |
But hopefully you'll enjoy a different set of similar good guys beating up a different set of similar bad guys in a different similar setting.
MMOs are what they are. Other games focus on different aspects of the experience, but fundamentally they all come down to beating on stuff for rewards.
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Most people will burn out on any game eventually. What boggles me is that some people seem to think this means the game is flawed in some critical way. It's not. It's normal. I'm not saying there are no flaws in the game, just that tiring of the game simply will happen for most people. Some can keep at it indefinitely, others' attentions will eventually wander elsewhere. This happens with every game. There's no need to look for flaws in the game to blame it on because there's nothing to "blame".
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
Most people will burn out on any game eventually. What boggles me is that some people seem to think this means the game is flawed in some critical way. It's not. It's normal. I'm not saying there are no flaws in the game, just that tiring of the game simply will happen for most people. Some can keep at it indefinitely, others' attentions will eventually wander elsewhere. This happens with every game. There's no need to look for flaws in the game to blame it on because there's nothing to "blame".
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That aside, I know I rarely burn out on a character because if I'm really starting to like a character, getting into them and having fun, I put them aside...leave myself wanting more so I'll *itch* to eventually get around to that character again...I'll itch to play practically all my characters, that's just how I rotate them.
If I start burning out on the game, I'll stop playing. It's easy for me to burn out on the game. I'll start a mission and get bored in 15 min so log out...then log back in an hour later and play some more.
Anyways, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and suggest things to add to the game that would be fun.
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Indeed. The amount they increased the vet reward bonuses when they converted it to the Paragon Rewards system was so large that I have not availed myself of the Paragon Market versions. I don't need them. And you're hearing this from someone who plays solo on x6-x8 for most of his playtime, so I get lots of recipe and salvage drops.
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Originally Posted by Bosstone
As for the inventory...how the hell much do you want? The amount you get in-game and through existing vet rewards is quite a good amount; the increases you get through the Paragon Market are frankly overkill. I know, because I bought a few of them.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Indeed. The amount they increased the vet reward bonuses when they converted it to the Paragon Rewards system was so large that I have not availed myself of the Paragon Market versions. I don't need them. And you're hearing this from someone who plays solo on x6-x8 for most of his playtime, so I get lots of recipe and salvage drops.
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Not enough.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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You realize you don't have to save every single bit of salvage that drops, right?
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
I bought all the Salvage, Vault and Enhancement trays.
Not enough. |
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
I bought all the Salvage, Vault and Enhancement trays.
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Let's just say OCD and Procrastination make for a very big problem.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Been there before. it came down to taking a break from the game to recharge my batteries. Perhaps thats what you need?
Tho its funny when people scream for late end new stuff they then turn around and scream for early level new stuff lol.
Like others have said:
OP, you're burned out. Go do something else. Come back later, if you feel like it. If not, look back fondly on those seven years.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
The game *desperately* needs new 1-30 content.
Most of the existing content in that range *shipped with the game* and is an absolute embarrassment, even when compared to something like radio missions. MMOs are bottomless pits that can soak up infinite amounts of content without filling up. Sure, we could use more high level content- but objectively the existing high level stuff is, for the most part, pretty good, while the majority of the low level stuff is absolute swill- just terrible, indigestible garbage. If you're expecting your new 'free to play' initiative to attract new players, it behooves you to add some good low level stuff so the theoretical hoards checking out your game don't say "OMG GET ME OUT OF HERE" after their first street hunt followed by a fedex to a security chief halfway across the city. |
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Mercy (Oh mandatory Mongoose how I miss you [not])
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Death From Below
Drowning in Blood
There's plenty of 1-30 content
Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective but it IS there and the Devs clearly have listened
Nobody needs to go into the Hollows these days unless they absolutely want to (and actually the Hollows arc is pretty good taken in isolation but it did burn a lot of players out with its constant re-runs)
And just who gets embarrassed running older content? I don't think I've ever blushed saving Atlas Park Bank. I don't think I even piddled myself when I got caught robbing it either. If you go beetroot when you run older stuff I'd suggest that's your own issue - and it's nnot a huge leap of faith to suggest there might be an outcry if the older content got removed - because, you know actually some of us still like to run it.
The good news is, if you don't like it, you don't need to do it. But I'll decide what is "good" or what is "bad" within my own frame of reference.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective but it IS there and the Devs clearly have listened
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Most everything left over from the pre-CoV era is garbage and reflects badly on CoH. Low level junk is especially odious as it is more likely to be encountered by new players who have no other impressions of the game.
It was okay back in 2004, but there's no excuse for it now.
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| I don't think I've ever blushed saving Atlas Park Bank. I don't think I even piddled myself when I got caught robbing it either. If you go beetroot when you run older stuff I'd suggest that's your own issue - and it's nnot a huge leap of faith to suggest there might be an outcry if the older content got removed - because, you know actually some of us still like to run it. |
But there would be no public uprising if every mission in Skyway City was tossed on a bonfire, other than some celebratory dancing in the streets. The old content is by and large absolute garbage, and everyone knows it.
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I'm not trying to take away your beloved plotless kill alls and fedexes, don't panic.
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I'm not.| Anyone Tired of COX and Paragon Market |
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I'm not sure I can totally place the blame at Paragon Studios door for this one. It seems to be more of a problem caused by PlaySpan.
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I didn't think Striga or Croatoa were that bad...
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Most everything left over from the pre-CoV era is garbage and reflects badly on CoH. Low level junk is especially odious as it is more likely to be encountered by new players who have no other impressions of the game.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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There are also the 2 new Steel Canyon arcs in the 1-30 range, as well as the apparently confirmed revamp of IP, and hints about KR getting updated too - so they really are going for a full 1-30 revamp, and not just doing bits here and there.
They've also mentioned how they think there are too many lower level zones and not enough higher level zones, and that they've talked about repurposing some of the lower level ones into higher level ones, kinda like the way they bumped DA up to 50+.
Somewhere like Perez Park seems an obvious choice for a level change, as it's empty of mission content, and is competitng with the Hollows as a low level hazard zone - and with the new Atlas content showing both the Skulls and Hellions aiming for more power, it'd be possible to have a story driven extension of the level range of both gangs to allow them to stay in the zone if it was bumped up to, say, 25-35, or 30-40.
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agreed I think this must be a perception, there has been a lot of new content introduced lately, as well as new powersets.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
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Habashy Twinshot Mercy (Oh mandatory Mongoose how I miss you [not]) First Ward Death From Below Drowning in Blood There's plenty of 1-30 content Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective but it IS there and the Devs clearly have listened Nobody needs to go into the Hollows these days unless they absolutely want to (and actually the Hollows arc is pretty good taken in isolation but it did burn a lot of players out with its constant re-runs) And just who gets embarrassed running older content? I don't think I've ever blushed saving Atlas Park Bank. I don't think I even piddled myself when I got caught robbing it either. If you go beetroot when you run older stuff I'd suggest that's your own issue - and it's nnot a huge leap of faith to suggest there might be an outcry if the older content got removed - because, you know actually some of us still like to run it. The good news is, if you don't like it, you don't need to do it. But I'll decide what is "good" or what is "bad" within my own frame of reference. |
the complaints about pre-Strygia content I understand, its perhaps the main reason why I prefer red side.
But even this is slowly changing with some of the original TFs being updated or replaced, and them actually making use of the hazard zones
For a variety of reasons, the Hollows is mostly empty these days, even though travel there is much easier now. I would be fine with them closing down the story line there, and closing off the zone for story reasons, leaving the hollows content available on the Oro
Faultline - its still fairly new, I'm fine with the zone as is( esp given the alternative content for that level range)
Strygia - I'm fine with as is
Croatia, for some reason, I've never warmed up to this zone even when it was brand new.I will go through it while leveling up blueside, primarily for not putting up with the original blue side content
the best thing would be to redo the task forces
they are done a lot and the old ones really suck, whereas Posi is good
I would much prefer they redo 2 task forces than 1 zone
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
the best thing would be to redo the task forces
they are done a lot and the old ones really suck, whereas Posi is good I would much prefer they redo 2 task forces than 1 zone |
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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1-30? Mm I could see a case being made for Redside needing more but Blueside has a -glut- of content in that range. It could probably use some more 1-5 content to get away from the bottleneck that is Habashy or DFB. Then again at that level street sweeping goes pretty fast too.
If -anywhere- in the game needs new content desperately it's the 40-50 range. All roads lead to Peregrine and Grandville. And given how much XP it takes to get to 50 it can be really easy to go through -all- the available contacts, even including in Cimerora and the Rikti Warzone.
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The RWZ arcs can help you if you were willing NOT to use them before that range. I've gotten 4+ bars from Gaussian's story arc bonus alone.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
If -anywhere- in the game needs new content desperately it's the 40-50 range. All roads lead to Peregrine and Grandville. And given how much XP it takes to get to 50 it can be really easy to go through -all- the available contacts, even including in Cimerora and the Rikti Warzone.
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Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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And some posters are obviously limited in their knowledge of what some other MMORPG's are capable of doing with the RPG aspect. Your loss, not mine.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
That sounds like MMO's aren't your cup of tea.
No MMO offers a "well rounded" RPG experience- it isn't structurally possible. But hopefully you'll enjoy a different set of similar good guys beating up a different set of similar bad guys in a different similar setting. MMOs are what they are. Other games focus on different aspects of the experience, but fundamentally they all come down to beating on stuff for rewards. |
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Which MMORPGs would those be?
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Originally Posted by Fritzy
And some posters are obviously limited in their knowledge of what some other MMORPG's are capable of doing with the RPG aspect. Your loss, not mine.
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Striga isn't awful, but is dated (aside from that one awesome TF with the giant robot)- it's the blueprint for CoV and showed the way forward, but it's not terrifically compelling.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
I didn't think Striga or Croatoa were that bad...
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If Croatoa predates CoV (I honestly don't remember) it is exempted from my scorn, as it's a fun zone and still holds up well aside from a few tedious missions.
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A QoL change like inherent stamina is an integral part of a revamp. QoL changes, power set balance changes (see Gravity tweaks), revamping zones to be easier to navigate and be aesthetically pleasing, etc.
I didn't say all resources should be devoted to fix the core game. Only one issue. Incarnate content has had plenty of dedicated issues, so time to go back to the core I say.
As to the OP, maybe a break IS needed. Go try that game with the Pandas or something. I left for a year just as the incarnate stuff first appeared, recently came back because I heard CoX went F2P and had to see it for myself, spent a week I think as Freemium, couldn't take it any more and VIP'ed up as soon as I could, and I'm happy to be back, I missed getting my CoX fix. After 6 months playing some of the crap that's out there, the OP will be crying to come back, I guarantee.