Enhancement Proc Changes

Yes, the misrepresentations by the devs were pretty bad...

... Uh, no.

15% flatrate would become 3.125 PPM, under the newly proposed system. Try again.

15% IOs are currently 2.5 PPM, and would be increased to 3.125 PPM with the proposed changes.

In Acid Mortar: 3.125 * 0.04825 = 0.1508, or about 15%, still.

I'm assuming this question is referring to the Devastation proc, which can be slotted by the Corruptor/Defender versions of Acid Mortar.

I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.

Setting aside the cap, which seems imposed by a design imperative that has nothing to do with rate calculations, the impetus behind the change seems two-fold. (1) To make longer-cycling powers more attractive places to slot procs for reasons beyond getting a six-piece set bonus. (2) To slightly reduce the performance of high-chance procs in fast cycle time powers.

So it is explicitly a buff to some powers and a nerf to others, with the goal that most stuff in between the extremes won't change much.

One thing Synapse hasn't mentioned yet (and he can correct me if I'm wrong here) but I think is operative here is that the devs don't usually make things like this 3.125. I believe its very likely that the devs will round upwards to the nearest 0.5, so that they don't have to make procs with a rating of 2.3184932764. That round upwards would be a separate net advantage to the players on at least some procs if it happens that way.

are you using a current SBE for that 2.5 figure? I ask because the lockdown proc is currently only 2ppm do we know for certain that 15% will become 2.5 after roll out?

Devastation and Touch of Death are both 15% Proc Chance IO, 2.5 PPM SBO. They were the only 15% IOs I could think to check; I didn't realize Lockdown broke that pattern.

I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.

Don't know what your asking me to try again about, I was asking a very simple question...

let me double check

Nothing is final, but the current proposal was for an increase of 20-25% over current PPMs. That's 2.4 to 2.5 based on the current value of 2.

Lockdown is indeed 2ppm not sure how that effects things over all

With the side effect (due to the AoE penalty diminishing) that most AoE powers (possibly excluding patches/rains) actually seem to improve a decent bit in proc use, too.

Given the general feeling that AoE rules when grouping, this may be a huge buff to a lot of builds (not mine unfortunately). AoE farmers are likely to enjoy it a lot, too.

You are entitled to that opinion. I, however, feel that it is the wrong way to go for the health of the game. There shouldn't be any kind of power that is behind a pay-wall that is strictly better than what you can get in-game. Period. Doing anything else create disparity based on income bracket, which, quite frankly, is something that many come to the world of games to avoid.

I think you misread him

This. The fact that SBEs came out in a state that made them more powerful than standard IOs was a mistake that should not have occurred in the first place and unfortunately that means that some people have to lose an advantage that they paid for. But I'm ok with that since it fixes the problem.

Well, lets see. In a high recharge Huntsman SoA, a Burst power could easily see a 2.26s recharge (I actually got this number from a build I've planned for myself). With the 1.188s activation you get a 3.448s cycle time. That's a maximum of 17 cycles per minute. Assume there's an Apoc proc and a Lady grey proc in there, that's 5.61 and 3.4 procs in the minute, on average. 33% and 20% chance to fire.

3.75 and 5.625 PPMs if the previous poster's math is to be trusted. (If not please correct me)

If -my- math's to be trusted, that makes the new chance:

3.75 * 3.448/60= .21 (Rate goes up not down in a very fast cycle time)

5.625 * 3.448/60 = .323 (Rate goes down by .007 or .7%)

Medium to long cycle time powers would see a buff from the PPM vs a flat percentage, but the only thing I'm seeing take a hit is powers that should have a 100% chance, due to the number of times the proc should fire and the power's cycle time, getting cut off and powers that were using extreme recharge to take advantage of the fact -base- recharge was being considered.

This is the primary nerf (Slotted recharge time being used for proc chance). The secondary nerf is the cap. AoEs are taking a bit of a hit, but it seems some mitigating measures are being taken.

The rest is all a buff, and a level of power creep that has me wonder where the priorities are focused, and the specific whys that prompted the change.

Then can I complain about how all the Judgement powers ignore Cardiac and resilience because none of them use intangibility?

Synapse has already posted the answers to both of these questions. Read the Dev Digest.

I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.

No one was complaining in the post you responded to. He was trying to use it as an example of a mechanic he hoped could be implemented.

I am going to guess that this behavior is unintended and will be reduced. There is, as far as I can tell, no good reason to buff AoEs from the flat chance procs. I'd much rather have a slight reduction in the AoE proc rate than any increase.

While you're at it, complain about the entire playerbase because none of them use it either.

This is basically the same thing as if Musculature affected the damage of any procs in a negative or positive way.

This seems silly to me. It's like claiming that we should not allow any more critical-style effects that work on AoEs, or that no future effects like Build Up or Aim should buff AoEs.

Procs are simply a limited critical. I don't see a reason to single them out as some attempt to balance AoEs in this game when, in the scope of effects that apply to AoE, they are possibly the least powerful in general.

They cannot change from flat rate to PPM without buffing procs in some AoEs, unless they do, in fact, nerf procs in AoEs period. It's inherent in the very point of using PPM mechanics that there will be powers where the proc chance to go off is higher.

^^