Just to be clear, there's other origins and story themes than magic, k?
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Aleusha,
Posted on: 2012-04-04 14:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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They are focusing on that. Super Heroes use magic, too.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
Inb4 "superheroes use magic too".
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Yeah, they are. Thor's pretty big.|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
The Well of the Furies
First Ward Dark Astoria The SSAs So...much...magic... Superheroes are big in hollywood right now. Try focusing on that. Inb4 "superheroes use magic too". |
You know. The God.
Magic hammer. Lightning.
Had his own movie.
I used to keep track of my levels here.
But I got to 50.
I saw that movie. He was a tech based hero.
Meh... I'm far more interested in SSA #2.
...or rather, far more disapointed that it looks like we will be waiting until I23 to get SSA #2.
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Like how? If you can shoot out some examples of what you mean specifically that'd be cool, because "superhero" is a very vague, large genre that encompasses a wide variety of different types of characters.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
Superheroes are big in hollywood right now. Try focusing on that.
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I'm sorry, but weren't that wails of dismay that we had no new "magic" content between Croatoa and, oh, First Ward?
Do the math on the years, people, and then zip it 
Magic is indeed not the only possible theme. It is, however, one possible theme, so we get some content centered around it. We also get some content that's not. Why is this a problem?
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Because some people believe that while anything is possible for superheroes, how they conceive of them is the only important thing. So the occasional magic themed thing is ok, as long as its not too much of a distraction from the legitimate stuff.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
Magic is indeed not the only possible theme. It is, however, one possible theme, so we get some content centered around it. We also get some content that's not. Why is this a problem?
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Like mutations, which somehow generate physics-breaking abilities. Or scientific processes that defy all science. Or technology that works on the principle of "I say it, so it happens." Or the natural heroes, for which the supernatural is normal.
You know, the definitely not magic stuff.
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Things like mutations and super serums are quite a bit different than magic. Magic is basically "draw pretty pictures, use 1000 year old figurine, say words, ???, PROFIT" as a core functionality. There's certainly more to it than if that particular power is fully explained and possible.
Something I think isn't covered as much as a central plot point in the game are mutations. Groups like Crey and Longbow provide science and natural based NPCs and stories. Groups like Malta and IDF provide technology. Groups like Tsoo and Circle of Thorns provide magic. And... the outcasts provide mutations? Unless I am mistaken, mutant storylines aren't heavily covered in the game, and don't have many plot points beyond "Yeah, they exist". IMO, there should be more things done with them. Like, make a story arc about the difference between a mutant and a superhero getting powers is how kids get those powers, and how there could be a big one based on that. Maybe it is that old rehashed "think of our kids safety!" thing from X-men that turns into a big political war. Maybe it is a neo-cult that is harvesting and brainwashing kids to be the progenitors of future mankind (I call dibs on that one). Maybe it is a big story about how someone who earned their powers is a normal person with more tools whereas a mutant isn't classified as a "person" at all. Just do something...
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Do you know how all those other origins - tech, science, natural, mutant - were created??
A Wizard did it!!
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According to the Origin of Power and the Incarnate story line, that's sort of true.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Do you know how all those other origins - tech, science, natural, mutant - were created??
A Wizard did it!! |
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Its been awhile since we've dealt with natural enemies. How 'bout incarnate level Family?
:P
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I so want something like this:|
Originally Posted by MisterMagpie
Mutant cloned dinosaurs with techno jetpacks. Come on.
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To be fair, before it was pretty much all tech, us getting alot of magic right now is right on queue, and soon enough it will be back to primarily tech. It goes in cycles. We desperately needed the magic stuff we have been getting though.
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That's incorrect.|
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
I so want something like this:
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A mutant cloned T-Rex with techno jetpacks (or in the case of that picture, a jet) can't be possible unless it has a laser or two mounted to it's head.
How else is it supposed to defend itself in the event of a water landing?
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I've been saying this for a while now. This game seems more D&D-ish than superhero/comic. Fantasy has a place here but let's get our priorities straight. Enough with the magic/fantasy and all that junk.
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Originally Posted by Haetron
Im just sick of logging into a game about Superheroes to find out that we have another issue coming up loaded with MAGICAL ZOMBIES.
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You know, one thing i find an interesting bit of interpretation. the idea of dark astoria and the various gods involved to be magical. by strict definition, they would be natural, they may have crazy powers, but nothing inconsistent with what their usually defined powers are. so i'd even take da off the list of strictly magical, its just BIG natural.
and as others have said, praetoria was almost entirely tech and mad science, the game does both, most likely battallion will be ultratech invading aliens (much like the rikti, who are almost entirely non magical, and were a previous focal point)
frankly I'm glad this game works both themes in and does not feel strangled into an excessively narrow definition of the genre, such narrow minded interpretations of the genre would make the game significantly worse.
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You know, when you put it that way, it seems kind of odd:|
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
You know, one thing i find an interesting bit of interpretation. the idea of dark astoria and the various gods involved to be magical. by strict definition, they would be natural, they may have crazy powers, but nothing inconsistent with what their usually defined powers are. so i'd even take da off the list of strictly magical, its just BIG natural.
and as others have said, praetoria was almost entirely tech and mad science, the game does both, most likely battallion will be ultratech invading aliens (much like the rikti, who are almost entirely non magical, and were a previous focal point) frankly I'm glad this game works both themes in and does not feel strangled into an excessively narrow definition of the genre, such narrow minded interpretations of the genre would make the game significantly worse. |
Thus far, Mot has been the only magical SUPER, WORLD THREAT we've had to fight. Praetoria, Rikti, and possibly the Battalion, they're all tech threats.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
I wouldn't mind some focus on mutants. But what unified mutant 'theme' would be entertaining in this game? The whole 'discrimination' angle does not work...
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Originally Posted by Blood Red Arachnid
Something I think isn't covered as much as a central plot point in the game are mutations. Groups like Crey and Longbow provide science and natural based NPCs and stories. Groups like Malta and IDF provide technology. Groups like Tsoo and Circle of Thorns provide magic. And... the outcasts provide mutations? Unless I am mistaken, mutant storylines aren't heavily covered in the game, and don't have many plot points beyond "Yeah, they exist". IMO, there should be more things done with them. Like, make a story arc about the difference between a mutant and a superhero getting powers is how kids get those powers, and how there could be a big one based on that. Maybe it is that old rehashed "think of our kids safety!" thing from X-men that turns into a big political war. Maybe it is a neo-cult that is harvesting and brainwashing kids to be the progenitors of future mankind (I call dibs on that one). Maybe it is a big story about how someone who earned their powers is a normal person with more tools whereas a mutant isn't classified as a "person" at all. Just do something...
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Maybe add in a handful of Supatrolls/trolls(hmm, maybe give them Titan weapons and street justice ala new Knives, as well as super strength) to round out their Boss(20-35) and Lt(35-50) numbers, while not dropping mutant Lts and bosses, just mix them in. Not sure how you'd visually upgrade Supatrolls to fit the spandex aesthetic. Torn pants, no shirts? Singlets?
Just make them villains with smaller picture goals, even if they only took up space in the mad-libs newspapers/radios with a smattering of mobs appearing here and there in the 20+zones, as well as a few tips so that you can sorta track a smaller semi-storyline ala Frostfire, Maybe have them going head to head, ala Council-5th Column street fights, with the other enemy groups.
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You have forgotted the magical catgirls.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
You know, when you put it that way, it seems kind of odd:
Thus far, Mot has been the only magical SUPER, WORLD THREAT we've had to fight. Praetoria, Rikti, and possibly the Battalion, they're all tech threats. |
Otherwise, you are correct... unless we include Darrin Wade?
Still... don't forget what this world would be like if we didn't constantly stave off the ominous magical catgirl domination.
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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oops, sorry, level 50 content already has that with Carnival of Shadows and Freakshow.|
Originally Posted by ThePill
Just make them villains with smaller picture goals.
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Though I would love to maybe see some focus on pure mutant groups.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Laser guns.|
Originally Posted by Aleusha
That's incorrect.
A mutant cloned T-Rex with techno jetpacks (or in the case of that picture, a jet) can't be possible unless it has a laser or two mounted to it's head. How else is it supposed to defend itself in the event of a water landing? |
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I dunno, maybe we could count Darrin Wade. My Criteria for being a Super World Threat is that dealing with them are/will be the focus of multiple issues with multiple, standard, story arcs centered on them.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
You have forgotted the magical catgirls.
Otherwise, you are correct... unless we include Darrin Wade? Still... don't forget what this world would be like if we didn't constantly stave off the ominous magical catgirl domination. |
Also, the catgirls don't qualify since they're not all magical. some of them are science, mutation, technology, and some of them are naturally from a race of catgirls.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Seriously though, there hasn't been that much magic in the majority of the Praetorian storylines and recent issues. The Wells are about as magic as Galactus, the Phoenix Force, and Captain Universe. That is that they're some sort of cosmic power/entity that is magical in more the Arthur C. Clarke mode. In fact most of the praetorian stuff is explicitly high tech, so i'm not seeing the huge amount of recent magic the OP apparently has. SSA1, Dark Astoria and DD is mostly it.
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