Paragon Market Releases (WHY U NO STAFF?)


Abyssus

 

Posted

What a lively morning!

We're extremely happy and flattered that so many of you are so excited for Staff Fighting. While I know many of you are upset that it's not released now, we also have to be responsible with the cadence of releases on the Paragon Market.

What do I mean by that?

  • We do not want to release Powersets on top of each other. There needs to be separation between the releases of new toys so that people who are excited by them all, which is much of our Community, have time to play with each.
  • If we release too many Powersets too quickly, it could be seen as a grab at your Paragon Points, and subsequently, your money. While we certainly appreciate you buying Paragon Points, we also have to be responsible with how we encourage you to spend with us.
  • We have to balance perception. There has been a perception we've been focusing on melee Powersets recently. Real or not, these sentiments need to be taken into account.
  • Various other reasons.
I do see the requests for a calendar detailing the release schedule for the Month ahead. I'll bring this suggestion to the business team. A consideration to remember; this would involve changing the website which takes months to accomplish.

Again, we're extremely flattered and grateful for the excitement being shown about Staff Fighting. Take comfort in the fact that your stick waving itch should be scratched Very Soon™.


Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
I do see the requests for a calendar detailing the release schedule for the Month ahead. I'll bring this suggestion to the business team. A consideration to remember; this would involve changing the website which takes months to accomplish.
Or it could be posted on the forums like the WSTs are


[ @Zombie Fryer ][ @Zombie Smasher ]
| Home Server: Virtue |

Twitter: @ZFLikesNachos Save City of Heroes (Titan Network) [Successful "The Really Hard Way" runs: 4] [Click ^]

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
I do see the requests for a calendar detailing the release schedule for the Month ahead. I'll bring this suggestion to the business team. A consideration to remember; this would involve changing the website which takes months to accomplish.
I think this, if it could be done, would help a lot of people decide when to save their points and when to to spend them. I've noticed a lot of people in-game annoyed and frustrated by that sort of thing.

I do know that even as a Premium player I'll be forking over some dough the next time Character Slots come up on sale. I've got several new character ideas fermenting.


 

Posted



This is clearly upped from Soon™!

Thank you for addressing the quite vocal concerns.


"If I fail, they write me off as another statistic. If I succeed, they pay me a million bucks to fly out to Hollywood and fart." --- George A. Romero
"If I had any dignity, that would have been humiliating" --- Adam Savage
Virtue Server: Kheprera, Malefic Elf, Lady Omen, Night Rune, La Muerte Roja, Scarab Lafayette, Serena Ravensong, Kyrse, and Arachnavoodoo among others.

 

Posted

I can't wait for staff fighting's release so that I can proceed to be furious about the fact that you haven't released psychic melee yet!


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by SolarSentai View Post
Or it could be posted on the forums like the WSTs are
I don't know about you but trying to find the post with the WSTs is a pain.


"while some people would say fish, cow, ambush!"-Ice9

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by SolarSentai View Post
Or it could be posted on the forums like the WSTs are
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.


Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

I'm not frustrated, simply disappointed. I have been waiting patiently to roll a new staff melee alt to go through the new low level content from I22. I have no interest in playing controllers, dominators or masterminds so the new sets that have been released recently have no interest to me at all. I'll be taking a break from the game and checking back in a couple of months as it's not worth my while paying a sub at the moment.

I think releasing vanity pets at ridiculous prices can be seen as more of a grab at peoples points/money.


 

Posted

Pretty sure a couple of months is overkill if all you're waiting for is Staff .


Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

Heh, "lively" is one way to put it. Nice to see confirmation from a red name that many of our attempts to explain Staff's absence were true.

Very Soon. I called April 10th!


@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.

 

Posted

While not as excited for Staff Melee as others(I will definitely purchase it at some time in the future), I'm just wondering why there has yet to be any hints as to the plans for the 8th anniversary?


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death_Badger View Post
I think releasing vanity pets at ridiculous prices can be seen as more of a grab at peoples points/money.
Personally, I'm also in the camp that has no use for vanity pets. I've never been one for the Pokemon approach to in game pets, but that's my personal preference. Perhaps I'm privileged in the fact that I can see that there is a significant portion of our Community who is excited by vanity pets and show us so. It may not be good for me, but it's good for other people who really enjoy this type of content.


Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
Actually, I think it would work fine. Those who do not frequent the forums probably are not concerned with finding out info as soon as it is publicized, so they would care less about when something is to be released. Plus, word of mouth is easy in this game, with global/server-wide communications. I think there are enough people who frequent the forums that the word would spread easy enough. It would save you guys a huge headache.


@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Pretty sure a couple of months is overkill if all you're waiting for is Staff .
However there are many other games out there, I'll move my subbing over to one of them and staff will be waiting for me when I return.


 

Posted

$5 for an idle, toggled waste of bandwidth is more of a cash grab than $10 for a powerset IMO.

Just saying.

(Oh, and you may want to consider scaling the base cost of the German Shepherd down now, seeing as it's currently a dollar twenty five more expensive for no reason other than 'it came first'.)


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death_Badger View Post
I'm not frustrated, simply disappointed. I have been waiting patiently to roll a new staff melee alt to go through the new low level content from I22. I have no interest in playing controllers, dominators or masterminds so the new sets that have been released recently have no interest to me at all. I'll be taking a break from the game and checking back in a couple of months as it's not worth my while paying a sub at the moment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Death_Badger View Post
However there are many other games out there, I'll move my subbing over to one of them and staff will be waiting for me when I return.
All I would say to this is if the situation was reversed and Staff Fighting had been released for I22 and the Dark Control sets were currently being delayed that there would be a different subset of people out there (who have no interest in melee powersets) considering taking a break from the game.

Just remember the Devs weren't out to "get" you with this. You just had the misfortune of caring about the powerset that got delayed. The people who love the Dark control sets and couldn't care less about Staff Fighting are still enjoying this game. *shrugs*


Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
--{=====> Virtue ♀

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elric View Post
I don't know about you but trying to find the post with the WSTs is a pain.

ParagonWiki.com has the WSTs listed in the upper right corner of their main page. Of course, at the time of this listing, it hasn't been updated yet, but usually it is correct. Hope this helps. (EDIT: It's been updated now.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
Zwill, you could still do the weekly postings of What's New in the Market on the homepage; just include a link to the forum posting for the month. Indeed, it might get more people involved in the forums.


I find your lack of signature disturbing.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Personally, I'm also in the camp that has no use for vanity pets. I've never been one for the Pokemon approach to in game pets, but that's my personal preference. Perhaps I'm privileged in the fact that I can see that there is a significant portion of our Community who is excited by vanity pets and show us so. It may not be good for me, but it's good for other people who really enjoy this type of content.
The really funny thing is, I would actually buy the Vanity Pet.

But yeah; I never understood the point of being worried about stuff on the market I don't want. I don't like super packs, other people do, fine by me. (I might buy them, except they yield finite use irreplaceable things which I cannot obtain other ways and cannot sell. This hits a weak spot in my MMO play style and I dislike them.)


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Personally, I'm also in the camp that has no use for vanity pets. I've never been one for the Pokemon approach to in game pets, but that's my personal preference. Perhaps I'm privileged in the fact that I can see that there is a significant portion of our Community who is excited by vanity pets and show us so. It may not be good for me, but it's good for other people who really enjoy this type of content.
If the paragon market sold different skins for combat pets then I'd be overjoyed, vanity pets just leave me cold but i know there are fans of them out there, I just don't understand why they'd spend so much on them.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
The flip side, of course, being that most of the complaining happens in the forums...


My postings to this forum are not to be used as data in any research study without my express written consent.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zortel View Post
$5 for an idle, toggled waste of bandwidth is more of a cash grab than $10 for a powerset IMO.
There is a distinct difference between one having a lack of interest in something and one feeling like they "have" to purchase something. Your waste of bandwidth is another person's fun character idea.

To each their own.


Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elric View Post
I don't know about you but trying to find the post with the WSTs is a pain.
Forums Main Menu -> News, Events, Announcements -> Announcements.

Not that hard

And if you don't see it right away, you can always do Ctrl + F in your browser and search for "Weekly."

Or if you want to Bookmark the page in your browser:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=251519

And hey... it was updated today! Wootsauce.

Either way, if posting a Calendar of events would take "months" to get added to the website, I don't see any harm in having it on the forums in the interim.

Also, the cynical side of me says "Well, they probably don't want to post a schedule so people see 'the new shiny' every week and impulse buy so they would have to buy more points when something they want more comes out later, but they didn't know when it was coming out." Yes, I'm that cynical.


[ @Zombie Fryer ][ @Zombie Smasher ]
| Home Server: Virtue |

Twitter: @ZFLikesNachos Save City of Heroes (Titan Network) [Successful "The Really Hard Way" runs: 4] [Click ^]

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elric View Post
I don't know about you but trying to find the post with the WSTs is a pain.
I've got a wiki post that I'm updating regularly. It's in french and I won't translate it ! HA HA !


(sorry, couldn't resist )


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death_Badger View Post
I know there are fans of them out there, I just don't understand why they'd spend so much on them.
I suppose some people don't see them as being "overpriced".

Like anything else prices are set at what markets will bear. If no one was spending the points on those vanity pets at the current prices then Paragon Studios would have little choice but to charge less - but that isn't really happening is it?

It's easy to understand why...


Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
--{=====> Virtue ♀

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
You could tell us, and let us post it on the front page of the Paragon Wiki, like how we do with the Weekly Strike Targets.

I'm just sayin'...

Edit: D'oh! Scoop'd!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost Warden View Post
ParagonWiki.com has the WSTs listed in the upper right corner of their main page. Of course, at the time of this listing, it hasn't been updated yet, but usually it is correct. Hope this helps. (EDIT: It's been updated now.)


We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)