Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 4/3/12

First of all, it was done via Demo Editing... probably having little to nothing to do with Piggs.

Secondly, I doubt if that video had anything to do with it... which seems to be confirmed by Zwillinger.

You're right; ever since Freedom launched we've seen more new powersets more quickly than probably ever before (unless you count something like the CoV launch, which is kind of a special case). However, I don't really think the issue people have here is how quickly or slowly powersets are being released. It's that, as far as anybody can tell, Staff Fighting has been ready -- or as ready as it's going to get, anyway -- since sometime in January, and Paragon just... keeps... sitting on it. And we're seeing a particular upswing in rage about that now because:

• Issue 22 has come and gone, but Issue 23 is a long way off and information on it is still pretty sparse. The next "big thing" to look to on the horizon is Staff Fighting.
• For the past month, we've had a pretty good idea what's coming every Tuesday thanks to War Witch's letter. With March now over, we're all once again left with no clue what's coming each week, so people are working themselves up into an anticipatory frenzy: "It could be Staff Fighting, I hope it's Staff Fighting, I want Staff Fighting so bad!" And when they log in only to discover yet another useless, overpriced vanity pet nobody asked for instead of the useful, presumably-reasonably-priced powerset lots of people have been asking for, it's a pretty huge letdown. This isn't kids refusing to wait until Christmas morning to open their presents, it's kids opening each present hoping it's the Xbox they know for a fact is under the tree somewhere, only to find yet another package of socks or underwear. Except in this case, they can't just tear into another present right away, they have to wait a whole week for the next one.
• With the Beta server now closed and holding an Issue-23 build, obviously any testing to be done on Staff is over. Which, again, leads people to believe, not unreasonably I think, that it's ready for release... and if it's ready, then again they all ask, why can't we have it yet? Maybe there's a perfectly valid reason we can't, but does being told "not now, you'll spoil your dinner" make waiting for the cookies you've been watching your mother bake all day any easier? They're baked. They've cooled. Does Mom really expect the kids not to ask for one?

I refer you both back to the Flying Disc Power -- they've said that sometimes, they're going to do stuff for themselves just because it tickles their fancy. I seriously doubt too much time went into making the Liger Pet, and the Lion Pet was already tested and scheduled for release, so we didn't lose anything.

Roll your eyes, say whatever, and get on with your lives. At best, it's a quirky pop-culture joke. At worst, it's a week where you don't spend Paragon Points on something new. There's no reason to be aggravated.





And in case anyone missed it in Z's other thread, STAFF FIGHTING WILL BE RELEASED IN APRIL.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

So basically this will be released no later than April 24th... I will look for it then, no earlier or later, unless he meant April of some other year...

Actually, no. The creature I was looking for is, in fact, a chimera. Manticores have human heads, not cat heads, and this creature has no wings.

Although the description you chose is ONE of the definitions of a chimera, a second one is an imaginary monster compounded of incongruous parts. Therefore, a chimera is exactly what I meant.

I don't know one way or the other, but remember that the 8 year anniversary takes place on the Saturday the 28th, and it's not completely unfeasible that they'd do a special Paragon Market release on that day.

I'd rather they not wait that long, but it is within the realm of possibility.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Was it ever?

As far as I know, the only thing that went down was on the billing side at NCSoft. You can still spend Paragon Points in the store... you just can't buy more points while the maintenance is going on.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

TBh I see that to be the DUMBEST reason to hold a set. If they want something special for the Anniversary then they should MAKE something for that purpose and advertise it as such. To hold a set that has been in testing so long for that reason is... (at a loss for words). They should do more vanity pets or costume piece pack or w/e, these are more reasonable things for an anniversary celebration, along with things like the chalice and zone events.

Unless you created it, how would you know how it was done or how that information about Staff Fighting was discovered at that point in time?

And vice-versa. You assume it was discovered via pigg diving with no evidence. Your assumptions are no more valid.

Corrected to we gotten and we bought

Beam Rifle sold to us for 800 pts Time given to us for free in August

Street Justice Sold to us for 800 pts in October

Titan Weapons sold to us for 800 and titan weapon pack given in December(?)
Dark Assault/control/affinity given to us in March
Beast mastery sold to us 800 points in March
So far..
40 dollars sold....35 dollars given free

Let me shorten that down into bite sized but extremely accurate terminology.

ENTITLEMENT.

Carry on.


VIP seems to have it's benefits. I purchased those with my Points I get just for maintaining a sub.

Sure, if that's what you want to call it when somebody says, "hey, remember that thing you promised a while back? The one you showed me, let me use for a while, and told me in no uncertain terms that I'd be able to purchase at a later date? It's kinda been a long time... when can I purchase that like you said I could? Because all the other stuff you've asked me to purchase in the interim is pretty lame. Why all that other stuff, anyway, when I can't see any reason not to sell the thing you showed me?"

I mean, most people on the boards tend more toward expressing that with "this is a slap in the face"-style hyperbole, but the sentiment is the same, I think.

Whamburger and french cries?

Waiting a little extra longer for a powerset being a complaint is weak. Try following an MMORPG from alpha stage, beta testing it and seeing that it's good and looks to be shaping up well, having it get near release, then going horribly horribly wrong and tanking because they suddenly catered to the new influx of players. Or one that's shaping up well but gets released half finished. Or horrible horrible imbalances between classes. Or major numbers imbalances in open PVP Etc.

Your complaint of a feature that's taking longer than you'd like but they are working on an will be done really soon (By End of April is the word atm) is about a 2 out of 10 on the scale of complaint worthy.


Also, the stuff you've been asked to purchase in the meantime being lame is highly subjective, assumes your not subbed and earning points, and ignores all the awesome freebies we have been given.



Really, if you want to, you can make almost anything SOUND like a convincing case or argument. But it doesn't change what it is. Which is in this case is people being waaayyy spoiled. News flash. This is a good MMORPG that's working hard to consistently add what people want as well as random extras. They are trying not to overload any portion of their playerbase so as not to neglect others. We are freekin lucky here. There are many games I'd have killed to see this sort of content/commitment in.

Ya, melee got alot of love lately and is dominant in game atm. Let the other people, especially masterminds, have their candy. They went from good, to no new power sets while everyone else got them, to end game content that destroys their pets. They've also been waiting longer than you. Chill your jets.

Couple of things:

1. Chill out a bit; there's no reason to start insulting people for being excited about a new set. Besides that, I'm not crying. I'm not even complaining. I'm explaining a position being taken by a far-from-insignificant portion of players. There's no reason to call them all crybabies for wanting something that they've been asking for (some for literally years) and which does something useful in-game, in place of something nobody (or nearly nobody) asked for, which does nothing. The set is coming out this month; great. I can wait. I'll likely wait a few weeks after it's released anyway before I buy it, just so I'm not one of six Staff scrappers on every team I join. I'm at most mildly annoyed and fairly confused that the set isn't out yet, not angry. But I understand completely why other people are much more upset.
2. What do other MMOs have to do with this? "I've seen worse, so this doesn't count" is a facile argument. If someone is diagnosed with cancer, do you tell them to quit whining and get over it just because you once knew somebody else with a more aggressive and deadly kind of cancer? Sure, that's a ridiculous extreme, but the logic here is the same.
3. Beast Mastery isn't preventing Staff Fighting from being released. Not directly, anyway. Putting Staff Fighting on the market wouldn't somehow prevent Beast MMs from playing their new set any more than Beast Mastery prevented Dark controllers from playing their new set.
4. There's exactly zero evidence to suggest that Staff Fighting is still being worked on. There's no direct evidence to suggest it's not either, but that's at least where logic points us: It was on Beta largely unchanged for close to three months, then Beta was closed to test Issue 23. If they make any changes to Staff Fighting now, those changes will need to be tested, but apparently, there's nothing else to test. They're sitting on it; Zwillinger very nearly came out and said as much in his other thread.

I swear, sometimes the people whining about the whining are worse than the ones whining in the first place.

Actually, I'm thinking that since the devs are no longer granting level bumps <the reasoning is because there was nothing to test before i23 beta>and that a npc <dream doc?> has staff fighting... it's well been ready to go for quite some time.

You are winning..... at misunderstanding the position and that is a shame.

Yep, it was Dream Doctor. He had Staff Fighting along with Illusion Control.

I could not have said this better myself... Hence the quote. Staff should have been released before beast mastery, it STILL has tons of bugs. I reported a color customization bug myself just days ago, but there are more than that wrong with the set, but staves had little to no issues.

You are fixating on the wrong thing. Zombie said that pigg diving revealed a much anticipated set to the community that it had no idea existed and that somehow lowered desire for the set.

Looking at that statement, "pigg diving" is not the part you should be picking on.

So what you're saying here, if I understand correctly is that, if they told you Staff Fighting was coming awhile ago, it's on beta, they won't give you a straight answer about it's release, and you're dying to play around with it, then suddenly on a tuesday they release a useless vanity pet, it wouldn't bother you in the slightest. Then the following tuesday they release a different power-set for a class you care nothing about. Still not bothing you. Then they release a new unannounced useless vanity pet, still not bothing you. And say next Tuesday they release a new power-set, looks just like Ice Armor and Ice Melee, except it's called "Paste Armor, and Paste Melee" Only has 1/3 the def/res of other primary tank powers, and hits for 1/8 the damage of other offensive melee, and doesn't have any slow bonus even though that's what you'd expect. Totally useless and unannounced, and it wouldn't bother you in the slightest, right? Just because you were waiting for an announced power-set that everyone else is also waiting for doesn't change the FACT that they just gave you a new power-set and the ability to make the Elmers Glue Man. You should be satisfied with whatever scraps they decide to provide you with, because as a customer what you want is of little importance, it's what they want to sell you that matters.