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Ears! lets address ears!!! Can you/your team find some way some how to (when selecting other large ears sets like rabbit etc) can you find some way to blend them in with the human ears or give an option to be rid of the human ears so they don't overlap?
Also more buttcapes please, the gunslinger one works but if we can get an option without the bow, that would be nice.
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Although I agree the enhancement slots are really expensive, they are useful and SOMEWHAT worth its price. However I do have a complaint I dunno how to address it but does anyone have an issue with selecting slots 2 and three while not on the management screen (like if you were about to right click to delete an enhancement or even try to move it manually)?
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Quote:Yeh I never thought I'd be happy to see a promotion/event come to an end... But I amOriginally Posted by GPBunny
Yay! clap clap clap!
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Quote:I understood that. Their message is clear, but they will have to find out the hard way that this is a VERY bad idea. They will see that once their revenue starts declining when the upset subscribed community decides to prove their point and yank their monthly subs to only play for the free stuff and nothing more.Originally Posted by Megajoule
I'm aware of that. What I'm trying to explain is that, to the people making the decision(s) to run these promotions, it is not relevant. We are not relevant.
That, in my opinion, is what everyone reading this needs to understand. Zwillinger came out and said it a couple of times, earlier in the thread: regardless of what we think or say, this is going forward.
It's no threat, but I have been seriously considering yanking my monthly sub every time I see a promotion of this type and I am getting that much closer to hitting that button to remove my card from auto-bill. I'm sure there are many that will go to that extreme if they too get tired of this type of slap in the face, as that is how I see it.
Someone already said it and it's true other games that have tried this method could afford the loss of some of their players, CoX is not one of them that could afford to loose many. They might think so with the introduction of the PM even if the subs go premium. I tell you this though: the day my account(s) go free I will not make a single purchase on the market and CoX will be more for casual play, because I would have moved on to something else and paying that company my CoX sub fee. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Megajoule
What everyone here needs to understand is that we are not the community being marketed to in this case.
(Though we are, quite possibly, the community being "managed.")
That's not the issue. Even though WE may not be the targeted community, we are the effected community... thus the issue still remains for these types of promotions. -
Quote:/signed.Originally Posted by PerfectStorm
Uh ... do you not see the contradiction in your own statement here? I don't use Twitter. I don't really much LIKE Twitter. I pay a monthly fee for this game still, and I shouldn't have to USE Twitter to get anything. Promotions that utilize social media and are exclusive to such are rather unfair to your loyal customers who don't use said social media. By exclusively offering promotions via avenues that everyone does not use, you are, indeed, "playing favorites". At least be honest about it.
Storm
To add to that the order of their priority listed Twitter, FB G+ and THEN our forums... If anything the forums should have been the first thing you should have started with promoting your/our own base before migrating somewhere else. Our community exists on many planes/domains such as what Hit Streak named but if you want game stuff it should be done with the things that come with the game like our own forum... And made available to all even if to be exclusive for x months or w/e. -
Quote:Problem with this is you fail to realize that this is much bigger than forums, much like ALOT of us Hate twitter and don't want to follow it for our own reasons a lot of in-game customers feel the same way about the forums, even though they follow the in game conversations or "word of mouth" about said promotions. So it's NOT a small fraction of the community that would be effected, it's the whole community in agreement with that alleged "small fraction."Originally Posted by Pauper
That's overreaction -- even if everyone on the forums decided to quit, that would be a small percentage of the overall subscriber base, most of which probably wouldn't notice or even care.
Even if that costs you the players that have been that faithfully paying costumer? That's like saying Jill here has been a customer with us since 1988 and we value her service, but we will take that "leap of faith in assuming she will not leave us, but we should offer this super special discount only available to our new costumers where they get what Jill gets for half the price she is currently paying."Quote:The point is that a Twitter promotion doesn't really serve the community team's purpose if all it does is get people who are already following on the forums or on Facebook to go to Twitter. Zwillinger made that specific point very early in this thread when asked why they're even doing this promotion -- only small portions of your fanbase frequent any particular place in online space, so your goal is to be in as many of those spaces as possible so that you can find people you're not already communicating with.
I think Jill would be pretty pissed too. Only in this example, at least Jill still gets the same thing as the new customers she only had to "pay" more for it...
You left out another option, the people within the company making those decisions to make super rare exclusive to piss off your so-called elitists. Even VIP content is made available to premium players through the PM, why should this be any different?Quote:Which is why pretty much every big MMO has permanently exclusive items. Because they hate their customers.
Look, I understand that you and others posting in this thread don't care for permanent exclusives. Given the tone used by those who don't care for permanent exclusives, though, I have to wonder if the bigger jerks are the people who want exclusive content, or the people who don't want anybody to have it.
EDIT: So where is the VIP exclusive there you ask? We got it free and long before it hit the market. Which is exactly how this type of promotion should be treated. -
Quote:That's understandable from that stand point but it's also debatable. I for one would be happy to get a costume bundle that cost everyone else $10 bucks, but I get for free. As it stands the Kirby dots aura would have a "monetary" value of approximately $1.00 (if you follow the aura cost precedent such as the bats aura).Originally Posted by GlassGoblin
Bundles of consumables aren't permanent visual effects promoting the marketing strategy chosen. Since the goal is to draw eyeballs to the official social media channels, extremely rare costume items are much more effective at achieving it. The only way to get a similar payback is to offer the item for a not-insignificant amount of real money, leading to conversations like: "Oh, cool, you bought the Kirby dots!" "No, I got this $10 aura free in a @CityOfHeroes Twitter giveaway!"
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Quote:/signed I too had to do the same, shame I had to go to his profile to ignore him, giving him a visit to his page, but I rather that then to get into a spat with him and get banned from the forums...Originally Posted by Shadowrun
And then post a series of posts insulting other players. It is good to add those people to your ignore list, as I will be doing with yourself after reviewing your post history, sir.
I agree with this proposal even if not consumable why not offer something like a coupon redemption to claim something that is already on the market? Like other costume pieces or whatever.Quote:So on the topic at hand, I would like to be considered among those who consider limiting content exclusively to people who can monitor twitter and respond within a five minute window to be discourteous to players who do want the item but are unable to give this level of attention to social networking. Those that don't have a smartphone, and those who have other things they need to do during the business day. If Paragon wishes to give away something for free and then make it available in the store for a high point cost, that wouldn't be nearly as bad.
Suggestion: perhaps instead of giving away things that someone may really, really want for some reason, why couldn't you give away consumables like bundles of super inspirations/booster powers? I suspect that may bother people way less and hey, you've got those in the system already. Doing giveaways of consumables could be a great way to gather interest and make the experience of new players easier. -
Quote:Let em release an exclusive power set, I promise this game will be the prime example of my point.Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
The people proposing that making the items exclusive will hurt the game or it's bottom line have no numbers either. This discussion is all supposition and opinion on both sides.
You are wrong. What happened to "exclusive for VIP" but then later ends up on the Paragon Market for everyone to purchase or buy their way up in tiers? I swear I feel like you are blowing smoke to make yourself seem relevant or smart I can't decipher which it is you are going for, but two can play at the harsh words. I was "trying" to be nice.Quote:As for an exclusive item being a problem because of one or more customers not gaining access that desire it greatly, that is what gives the exclusive item it's value in the first place. The whole point of an exclusive item is that not everyone that wants it will get it.
And look where it got us...Quote:As for sounding rude, I am well aware I am using strong choices for words and that some won't like them. I choose them to make my point anyway. I am not interested in peoples feelings, nor in how I am viewed, especially by those whose opinions I don't really respect anyway. I am well aware my attitude is distasteful to some people. I am not interested in making friends or enemies with some random Internet strangers.
You mean once you actually get your supposed free item? LOL ok...Quote:Furthermore, for the record, I don't have a Twitter or Facebook account. I have not and will not attempt to gain anything the company chooses to give out through those avenues as I consider both of them to be pretty pointless and in many cases detrimental to the mental health and personal privacy of people that use them. I will not, however, complain about things being given out through them, exclusive or not. If the company chooses to use them for giving away free stuff, then I say, "Thank you Paragon for giving away free stuff." Period.
No one said ANYTHING about entitlement, infact no one in this thread used that word but you and Zenlon. It's about not being able to GET THE ITEM AT ALL.Quote:It's the incessant whining around these types of giveaways and the people doing the whining that cause me to post, because I cannot stand the level of entitlement behind the arguments against the company doing what in my opinion is a nice gesture.
I guess I had to put it in caps so you can plainly see the point for what everyone is voicing (what you assume to call whining). After this promotion this item will not be obtainable. Or did you not understand that?
EDIT: And furthermore it's not about this item at all, it's the principle of these types of exclusives that result in this type of feedback. -
Quote:You have a strong choice in words for your argument, especially for one with no numbers or actual documentation to back this proclaimed "Exclusive promotions annoy a very small percentage of the customer base." Seems to me, it's quite the opposite. The only ones who seem to be happy about the process are ones that actually gain access to said exclusives like Zenlon, who came in here preaching the same speal you are, with nothing to actually hold any ground in his "holier-than-thou" attitude, then later posts a picture of his character with the aura, which was later removed by a moderator.Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
I am giving feedback just like everyone else.
Somewhat less exclusive and exclusive are both still exclusive.
I am of the opinion that those who want to be unhappy about Paragon giving away things for free should not be listened to, even if Paragon chooses to make them think they have been.
If you actually think they are learning anything they did not already know, you are deluding yourself.
As said before exclusive items no one has a problem with, but it becomes a problem, especially in a MMO that is designed around being flexible with creating your character the way you see them and then enjoying that character. Costume pieces and power sets are what make this happen. When a player has been wanting an item that may seem to be the ugliest aura in someone else's eye for years and now that aura is finally available as an exclusive that he/she will never be able to obtain in any other way then to camp TWITter for a code, that's ridiculous.
Sorry if this sounds rude, but your attitude and approach or opinion on the situation is a bad one, and very rude as well, especially the part about ignoring ANY customer for that matter, that's how you make the word of mouth kill your business. -
Quote:This...Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
"...where it won't be free like it is on Twitter today."
"...six months later."
There's your exclusivity. There's your special feeling. There's your misplaced attitude of superiority over all those poor, worthless slobs who don't have that stuff and therefore aren't as good or as cool or as important as you.
Nobody should ever be told "you missed this incredibly-narrow or prohibitively-expensive 'opportunity,' so you can't have this item, ever, no matter what, with no recourse whatsoever until the end of time" unless there's some practical limitation on producing the item (for example, only a limited number were manufactured and it would be too difficult or expensive to make more) -- no such practical limitations exist in a game like this. The code for all of these exclusives is already sitting on the hard drive of every player of this game, waiting to be unlocked. Saying "okay, here's what you need to do to actually use that item you already have" is one thing. Saying, "nyah, nyah, we could give you a means of accessing it, but we just don't feel like it" is quite another.
And DEFINITELY this! I won't even play around or waste my time posting in this forum. If there EVER was a promotion to this extreme involving a power set I promise not another penny to NCSoft or any of its products in the future and I would be totally done with CoX.Quote:Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
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Quote:This, This, This, this, THIS!Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
No, see, you're doing it again. I didn't say anything about not liking "social media in general." In fact, I said just the opposite.
In fact, I'm looking at my Twitter feed right now, and a local concert venue just tweeted about how the first person to tweet them back with the answer to a trivia question wins FREE TICKETS to tonight's show! Know why I'm not upset with them over that? Because if I want to go to that show, but I don't win those tickets, I'll have had the opportunity to get them in a way that didn't involve blind luck in direct competition with hundreds or thousands of other people. I could just, you know, buy them.
"Hey, follow us on Twitter and you could win this cool thing for free! Or you could just go to the Paragon Market and buy it."
There's your solution. Twitter account legitimized, man-hours allocated, player base not alienated. -
Quote:Thats just it, there is NO little while exclusivity, it is exclusive, remember the coralax costume giveaway a bit ago? This is History repeating itself and it was already confirmed by a red name that this item will not be up for grabs any other way.Originally Posted by Stormbird
If this is a Twitter-only costume piece promotion (saying "we might, maybe, sometime pop up unannounced on a server to maybe give these away" still means Twitter only,) then I'm disappointed.
I don't mind if this is "exclusive" for a little while, and then shows up in the store or via incarnate merits or something like that. But 100% twitter only = 100% non-participation and 100% IRRITATION (and some loss of good will and enjoyment... that same good will and enjoyment that leads to me staying subbed and spending money) for me. -
LOL this is sooo fortunate and I knew I was right in my assumption that you (Zenlon) were one of the ones to grab the aura. I'm not mad in the slightest that you got the aura. This only says why you are advocating for such nonsense in the first place. If you had not gotten the aura you'd have been salty. You sir do not get any of my future attention in this thread.
This is the funniest thing in this thread, lol.
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Quote:Boy o boy that might be the last straw if this ever happened... I'd hate to even see that as a April Fool's joke.Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Could you imagine the fervor if they -were- doing this same promotion for a unique Power Set? I can't.
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Quote:I look at it this way:Originally Posted by Aurora_Girl
I look at this the same way I look at my day job, when people call and complain that their french fries are cold with the same anger and fury as if a bum had just urinated on their three-year-old.
Repeat after me, kids:
It's.
Not.
That.
Serious.
cold potatoes ARE that serious, at least the urine is warm, and most of us are not kids, but adults who pay for a game we believed would treat the community fair, but this is not fair. So like EVERYONE else on here are speaking their minds and demanding answers for the things they (Marketing) are doing and how most are suggesting other more beneficial ways of going about the exact same promotion, you come to the aid like you are some hired security officer in defending their wrongs that could have been right, but in doing so you give impartial "cherry picking" arguments to make yourself look right. If you ask me the only kid here is you in utilizing that method. -
Quote:This is debatable but trust me the odds are definitely not in your favor of the idea... I look at it as a slap in the face TBQH. So basically you are saying it is ok to piss off your FAITHFUL community in hopes to get a few more add-ons that may or may not be as faithful as the ones that have been here? All because you have faith they will stay regardless of what you don't give them? The thought of me seeing a yes in reply to my question is already boiling my blood, but that was the problem with a lot of businesses that were closed on after the market crashes...Originally Posted by Aurora_Girl
I love the idea. The point is not to give away costume codes.
The point is to get people following the City of Heroes account on Twitter. It's not the carrot, it's the stick.
I find it hilarious that people are THIS worked up about an aura. Really? It's not that serious. Twitter can't be monetized, as far as the CoH account goes (it's not a "Promoted post," they don't get money per page view) so that's not a motivation at all.
The motivation is, like they've said, building the community off of the forums; therein lies the problem. Want to know why so many people on these forums hate social media (other than mildly understandable issues with privacy)?
Because forum posters, since the Internet was created, value anonymity more than oxygen. Social media removes that, almost entirely (although Twitter is the least invasive of all). Slinging vitriol and derision at total strangers loses a lot of its deliciousness when those strangers know your name, and your face.
Sadly, I don't believe MMOs in general will ever have a strong presence on social media as it stands now because of the huge gap in sensibilities between gamers (generally speaking) and people who are comfortable with sharing their identities on the Internet.
I run a website with several authors and several hundred thousand daily page views, and social media marketing is a pain in the butt, I know. Especially Facebook. However, getting foamy at the mouth over a COSTUME PIECE really isn't worth slamming a marketing team who's clearly simply looking for ways to expand the community into new arenas. Maybe, just, I don't know, don't worry about it? If you hate social media so much, you should have moved on from this topic the moment you read "Twitter" in the title.
Pushes into social media are important for this game, because it is a SOCIAL game, whether people want to admit it or not. I've played 2 or our 3 main competitors, completely solo, and gave up after a month because it was so incredibly alienating to be by yourself in a game designed to be shared with others.
Marketing is tough. Marketing an MMO *not* by Giant Snow Storm is even tougher. Cut the guys a break, will ya? Or, do what I'm doing; the NCSoft Maintenance isn't even going to be finished before I get home from work anyway, so I'm not worried about it. Will I get the code? Probably not. Am I gonna cry about it? God, no.
LOL and Zenlon's post I do not even want to begin to reply to that one. But I will say this: The majority of people are NOT asking for it for FREE we just want an equal opportunity to BUY the friggin aura even if it is at a later date. How hard is it to process that request? It should be looked at the same way they market VIP items to premium players. Exclusivity to new comers only will piss off the majority of your player base that pays your salary end of story. -
Quote:I get the same issue that Texas is talking about, EXCEPT when at work on the Mac, but when I get home to my PC the logouts reign supreme even after 15 minutes of inactivity or less. It's pretty random and the "remember me" button as Texas said, does absolutely nothing.Originally Posted by Paladin
If it's any help, I found that the login issues were fixed on boards.cityofheroes.com but not from using boards.coh.com. I was scratching my head over the claims that it was fixed until I switched URLs - I haven't had a logout problem since, and this is coming from someone with logout problems for about 5 years.
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Quote:This...Originally Posted by Dawnshift
That's the thing. We all /don't/ have an equal chance of getting the aura.
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Quote:Who cares? As long as you paid your monthly sub, it does not matter whether or not you spend your time at work, eyes glued to twitter for the codes, get the code or not, or twiddling your thumbs wondering what to do...Originally Posted by GPBunny
Oh damn I spent my day playing the game instead of being on twitter.
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Quote:Promoting the game and exclusivity are two totally separate things Zwil. The problem I have with this is the latter. I don't even wish for premiums to be treated like this in terms of the vet system, they at least get a stab at it on the market or have a chance to buy the items we get. If anything it should be equal opportunity. Just because you get more attention from one or the other, does not mean you should exempt the bulk of the community, no wait the bulk or the TRUE community who come to the designated site for the game aka the forums to give you real feedback.Originally Posted by Zwillinger
On a weekly basis, we reach (actual reach, not potential) about ten times more people on Facebook than we do on the Official Forum. I have numbers to show this. Why is this? Because your average user is more inclined to check Facebook at work/home/on their phones/on the toilet/wherever than they are the fora.
There's a lot of things we can do to promote/encourage forum use such as securing mobile skinned fora, however that kind of stuff is out of my hands and squarely at the mercy of Seattle. I've requested it, but something like upgrading fora software is an org wide decision that affects more than just CoH.
Social Media is something we (Paragon) have direct control over. It's measurable, it's accessible to everyone and it's tapping into a huge market that we otherwise wouldn't be able to here in our walled garden that is the forums. For example, did you know that social media is huge in Brazil? We can track the number of people who visit the account sign up page from Facebook from a country like Brazil. That number is very interesting to watch, to say the least. To say that we'd be foolish not to do everything we can to have a great engagement on Social Media platforms would be an understatement.
I understand that some of you are *very* resistant to Social Media. People say that Facebook is free...it's not. You pay with your metrics, your clicks, your likes, all of that information that allows companies to more effectively market to you and people who also match your similar demographic. You have to decide if that information is worth the convenience that services like Facebook offer, the ability to connect with people around the world in a moment, to share your life experiences. For me, that answer is yes, to a degree, for some it's no, and I grok that.
I've said this before; we're not going to stop promoting and growing our social media presence. It's not the future, it's the now. Social Media is here and it's a HUGE part of building strong and vibrant Communities. We're not going to stop interacting on the forums, in fact that's the main reason to come to the forums, a direct and more personal way to interact directly with the team that makes CoH. There *will be* exclusive giveaways. There *will be* exclusive media content. For all venues, not just social media.
EDIT: Why not just move the forums to twitter or FB and be done with it here? /sarcasm
Now with this system you are asking me/us to go to a place some of us don't like to go for personal reasons or otherwise to seize a code that we all should have some chance of purchasing or whatever at a later date (Deja Vu Coralax costume which I am still heated about btw).
AGAIN, not even premium players get treated like this when it comes to things that the vets can sport early on, at least they get a chance to still purchase the things we have... This is pretty silly... -
I have one word for this...
Bleh...
...There's more... TBH I never really been a tweeter and I really don't plan to start, hence the "bleh." Hell, I very rarely go to Facebook other than to network or to play catch up with people I don't see or talk to that often. I do wish the best of luck to our lucky folks who get the codes for the aura and/or other gifts to come with this new marketing tactic PS has came up with. -
Quote:Because of the limitless possibilities/renditions/>>insert whatever you like that fits the list here<< that you can do with a liquid based set. That and sooo many people RPing energy blast as water for YEARS they, like me saw potential in a set, thus it became a demand...Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
And my point remains that I don't understand why so many people have spent so long insisting so vehemently that their gaming experience somehow wasn't complete without this very specific, conceptually-narrow, and fairly-uncommon-in-the-genre (even Mousedroid's list includes Iceman as a "water control" character on page 1. Technically true, but still kinda reaching) powerset.
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Quote:Biased or not comic is as comic doesOriginally Posted by Aurora_Girl
All DC versions of "Aqua-whatever" should be grouped as one example. They're all related, anyway...but I'm a Marvel guy so I'm biased.
EDIT: Oh and for the record curling IS a sport. You should see my lengthly curly locks and my first place ribbon