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[Spoilers!] Who is the Well?

2short2care

By 2short2care,
Posted on: 2012-03-26 08:41 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven View Post
The Well is Nemesis, of course. He's playing us all like puppets, like the great chessmaster villain that he is. He probably took over the power of the Well a long, long time ago.
Or it is either a past, future, or alternate version of Nemesis and the other versions are unaware of this. Wouldn't it be ironic if Mender Silos was inadvertently subverting his own designs through Ouroboros (even if their long-term goal- the defeat of the Battalion- is one and the same?)

 

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Morgan Freeman

 

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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan View Post
Oh get stuffed with your irritating and massively unwelcome bigotry. Seriously.
Why do you keep subjecting yourself to reading it, then?

More importantly, WHY do you quote it, forcing those who shouldn't have to to read it anyway?

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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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oh get stuffed with your irritating and massively unwelcome bigotry. Seriously.
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My theory is that the Well of Furies is actually commonly known as Ishtar of Babylonian myth, The Goddess of Love, Lust, and War.
In truth, this means that no one really WANTS her notice or favor in the long run because Gilgamesh himself cites that only bad things happen to those who have the interests of Ishtar.
Unfortunately for old Gil, rebuking her interests also does not end well.

Though if this were true, I would demand we drop Pappa Smurf and get Gilgamesh to step up as our new Incarnate Lore instructor, desiring revenge against the Well for killing Enkidu.

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Lets not let YET ANOTHER thread derail this way, please?

 

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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel View Post
My theory is that the Well of Furies is actually commonly known as Ishtar of Babylonian myth, The Goddess of Love, Lust, and War.
In truth, this means that no one really WANTS her notice or favor in the long run because Gilgamesh himself cites that only bad things happen to those who have the interests of Ishtar.
Unfortunately for old Gil, rebuking her interests also does not end well.

Though if this were true, I would demand we drop Pappa Smurf and get Gilgamesh to step up as our new Incarnate Lore instructor, desiring revenge against the Well for killing Enkidu.

And she makes people climb block towers for convoluted reasons!*

Really though. I have a strong feeling it's someone who we've met before (or at least someone similar to someone we've met before), rather than an entirely new NPC.

Though the Rularru theory holds minor credence, as I remember seeing some sort of Well... thingy, that looked like a tiny wispy Rularru. But it can't actually be Rularru.

...It could be Darrin Wade, that would be silly.

 

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
Prometheus
Looked. It's not there. :P

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<dose o' awesome>
Bravo, Steelclaw! Your RP writing is always a treat to read. Thank you for sharing!

 

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My theory is that Hardcas-I-mean-Prometheus is just as clueless as the rest of us. He probably has no idea what's going on, and spend all his time pretending that he do, so we won't realize he's just another cosmic schmuck.

Is the well a (former) he? I don't know. And I bet Prommy has no idea either.

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Oh get stuffed with your irritating and massively unwelcome bigotry. Seriously.
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Why do you keep subjecting yourself to reading it, then?

More importantly, WHY do you quote it, forcing those who shouldn't have to to read it anyway?
I don't remember the exact quote, but it's along the lines of "All that must happen for evil to win is for good men to do nothing." Not saying GG is evil, per se, but if something is wrong, someone needs to step up and say so.

I am in agreement with FFM on this one, and it appears I'm not alone.

 

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He was gentle as he helped her along the path towards the future. He knew he was likely damning her to an eternity of madness. But he hated attending the theater by himself.

But an entire world of people where EVERYONE had the potential to be a god... well... that would prove to be a show worth watching.
Nice bit of writing Steelclaw, but I've come to expect nothing less from you.

 

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I don't remember the exact quote, but it's along the lines of "All that must happen for evil to win is for good men to do nothing." Not saying GG is evil, per se, but if something is wrong, someone needs to step up and say so.

I am in agreement with FFM on this one, and it appears I'm not alone.
That would be why I've had her on ignore... oh, pretty much since the new boards came around.

 

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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue View Post
Looked. It's not there. :P
Prometheus has additional dialog as you complete more trials, so depending on the character you used to check, he might not say it to you. His dialog for the trials from i21, i21.5, and i22 is unfortunately not on Paragonwiki. I've copied the relevant part from in-game:
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I suppose it is an understandable misconception. All you think when you think of the Well is a mere puddle on an island in the middle of the ocean, and I have deliberately said little to disabuse you of that notion. However, that image is a manifestation of something primal within humanity and is the means by which the presence of the Well has been visualized by that species for millennia. In reality, the Well is and always has been a personage who... agreed... to serve as the connection between humanity and something... greater.

Prometheus pauses again. He seems lost in thought, as if choosing his next words carefully.

It is time I end the charade. The Wells are not necessarily an 'it'. In fact, your Well is a 'he'. Each 'well' is capable of manifesting in whatever form is most desired or 'expected' by the species to which they are tied. Twilight Son and the Kheldians of his future, for example, saw their 'well' as an orb of pure energy... an aesthetic perfection they themselves wished they could attain.
This is in the "I have earned the right to know more about the Well", and then the "What of species like Battalion or the Kheldians? Are they also tied to the Well?" chain.

 

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Each 'well' is capable of manifesting in whatever form is most desired or 'expected' by the species to which they are tied. Twilight Son and the Kheldians of his future, for example, saw their 'well' as an orb of pure energy... an aesthetic perfection they themselves wished they could attain.
Deep down, on a primal level, the most aesthetically pleasing form mankind could ever dream of achieving, is that of a... puddle.

Hey, I'd buy it. As a wise man once said, "I WISH I HAD NO BONES!". This is but the first step on the road to perfection: The road to puddlehood.

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"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

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Deep down, on a primal level, the most aesthetically pleasing form mankind could ever dream of achieving, is that of a... puddle.
IIRC, Prometheus justifies the Well being a well to us because, to primative humans, what was more inviting and appreciated than a source of cool clean water?


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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
IIRC, Prometheus justifies the Well being a well to us because, to primative humans, what was more inviting and appreciated than a source of cool clean water?


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Yes, that's correct. I think the word "oasis" was mentioned. The servers are down, so I can't grab the exact phrasing.

 

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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh View Post
Deep down, on a primal level, the most aesthetically pleasing form mankind could ever dream of achieving, is that of a... puddle.

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IIRC, Prometheus justifies the Well being a well to us because, to primative humans, what was more inviting and appreciated than a source of cool clean water?
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...now that's a tall drink o'water. :P

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IIRC, Prometheus justifies the Well being a well to us because, to primative humans, what was more inviting and appreciated than a source of cool clean water?


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Oh, I could understand the Well allegory. What provoked the jest was this part of what Prometheus said, when he deliberately uses the word 'puddle':

"All you think when you think of the Well is a mere puddle on an island in the middle of the ocean" <snip> "that image is a manifestation of something primal within humanity"

Maybe we yearn to return to our amoebae origins?

Besides, I'm pretty sure primitive humans would have died out long ago if it hadn't been for Orlando Bloom. Maybe he's the well!

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"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh View Post
Oh, I could understand the Well allegory. What provoked the jest was this part of what Prometheus said, when he deliberately uses the word 'puddle':

"All you think when you think of the Well is a mere puddle on an island in the middle of the ocean" <snip> "that image is a manifestation of something primal within humanity"

Maybe we yearn to return to our amoebae origins?

Besides, I'm pretty sure primitive humans would have died out long ago if it hadn't been for Orlando Bloom. Maybe he's the well!
amoebae origins...

THE WELL IS HAMIDON!

 

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Finally someone said it!

Ive thought about this for a while and was shocked that no one on this thread had mentioned it!

Dr. Hamidon was a he. He seems to exist everywhere. The Batallion has fed thier well with the well of all the other races, and Hamidon certainly likes to chow down on anything going.

I personally think Tyrant and Pretorian Hamidon are going to merge together in the final preatorian iTrial.

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What if the Well is Mender Silos?

That's why when you get to the end of the intro arc there is nothing there. Because the Well is already there with you ! ! ! [dramatic music]

Along with the shard there is a letter from the mysterious letter writer.

 

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I am the well.

That is all.

Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!