Concerned about Scrappers.

Real Scrappers don't want or need for anything.

Real Scrappers don't want a shiny gold star, because the other kids got something shiny.

Real Scrappers are born awesome and pay no attention to unique snowflake inherent bonuses.

Real Scrappers have pride in knowing that every other AT needed some kind of shiny just to try and get a little bit closer to the awesomeness that is being a Scrapper.

If you want to be a Real Scrapper, go put your Scrapper-Lock to some better use...

[Accidental DP]

Also, it's not even future Incarnate powers.

Right now, Call to Justice* does nothing for my high end Tankers. Most of Aura of Mot is out, as is Boon of the Ancestors.

*And I really like that power, especially on my Brutes.


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Right, because you're playing Super Strength with stacked Rage, iirc. Having very little room to benefit from further damage buffs is a SS problem specifically, not a Tanker problem in general. And hey, if you want to campaign for SS being less reliant on a huge damage buff from Rage, I'd support that.

This discussion has made me curious, by any chance does someone know what the Tanker Damage Cap is?

Cause from what I'm reading here it seems like it's set to 300%, if that is the case I don't see any harm in that getting raised up to 400% This would allow more potential without harming the AT balance for the melees.

Just my two inf on the current tank vs the rest of melees discussion that has taken over.

IMO characters like superman are not a tank but more like a PB( Yes pure human form PB can make some pretty impressive Melee only with eye beam SS type fighting style builds while possessing self protections to a nearly unstoppable range).

A Tank as they exist in COX is most closely resembled to me in comics by Colosus and wolverine.

You see Col was never in the top strength ranges in marvel. Hell I recall years ago a x-men spider man team up against the juggernaut who was only half powered because he had shared it with black tom as a B day gift. Even at half juice Jugs was way stronger then Col. Col only could take the beating, not give it back.

Meanwhile poor old wolvy. Sure he is borderline indestructable, but even with his cut through nearly anything unbreakable claws he was really not in the league of cosmic class adventurers so many of his fellow mutants were worthy of. Nor was he very smart. Compared to the nearly captian america like mentality cyclops was portrayed with in the early days and his super nova power classed eye beams....well yeah the damage spectrum is pretty clear.

Think about wolvy after he lost addy, even when his regen went into early era deadpool ranges. Still just a punching bag for the really big baddies so that cyclops can just blind side blast them with impunity.

In an all out fight with a being like apocolypse or even mr sinister youd not put your money on wolverine nor cyc in a one on one, but at least cyclops as a real chance at planning a viable way to use his REAL POWER to put down such titanically poweful foes.

But then again lets think of it this way. Hulk was always a Regen/SS brute with fighting,jumping,leadership, and body mastery. Built with extreme global recharge in mind. Superman is something above all standard ATs and hence why I chose the PB as my preffered AT to rep them. Now days 50+ with clarion to round out thier melee AT like mez pro, they in large teams with all the buffs feel about as powerful a team build as I could imagine. Not counting some of the human form WS I have met in my time.

A tank does exactly what its meant to, take abuse, and with work deal solid if not exceptional dmg without an optimal combo. Whether or not such a thing is needed with the current ATs isnt really important since they cant goa nd remove an old AT even if it has become that outdated.

IMO it always was a bad design concept, taunt aggro. I feel the only 2 things that should draw aggro are DPS and healing powers. with healing other powers attracting the most attention. Mobs should be designed to smartly pick apart our teams, not play into this idiotic attack the meat shield mentality. If we remove tank taunt, and force all ATs to shoulder thier fair share of attention in battle, then we could get closer to the true comic genre we all so adore.

Then give tanks an ability I saw another suggest something akin to. Make tanks first hit on a mob who is aggroed to another be the attention getter ability. make tanks ahve to work by chasing around each mob as it goes after the piking empaths who should be healing less and doing more to actually end the fight faster.

if Brutes are allowed to have essentially the same potential survivability as Tankers, why...

You haven't seen it stated that way because the basic thesis of the argument is arguably false. "Potential Survivability" is not the same. If we were allowed unlimited enhancers, sure, they have the same caps. But Tanks get higher bonuses across the board on their sets. Higher health, higher defense, higher resist. It is much easier to I/O greater survivability onto a Tank than a Brute. For the exact same Investment of I/Os you get way more survivability out of the Tanker. Since there is not "unlimited enhancers" and the number of set bonuses you can cram on is limited, and ED does exist, you cannot make a Brute with the same "Potential Survivability" as a Tanker. If you do not believe me go into MiDs and try.

If you are still going to make the "Potential Survivability" argument based on resist caps (after I explained how much stronger Tankers resists and defenses are...) consider this:

Brute
Base HP 1499.3
Max HP 3212.7

Tanker
Base HP 1874.1
Max HP 3534

As much as I would love to improve tankers, increasing the caps isn't going to do a thing for me since I never fight at the cap.