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The fact that someone can make money selling glasses that make things 2D should really tell them something lol


As to the "well we see in 3D" nonsense that someone tried to make that I'm not going to go back and quote. The problem is precisely that we do see in 3d and what they are claiming is 3D isn't... 3D is created by our eyes seeing two images and then blending them together... but not just that. We also have other things that gives us 3D perception such as when I move my eyes and ears tell my brain that my location has moved and maps me in where ever i am on a map... Headaches are likely caused by these two factors clashing along with eye strain in general. In other words when you watch a 3D film your brain is fighting with itself because the it's not 3D it's the illusion of 3D and so when you move your head the perspective doesn't move which then causes a "hey what the heck?" thing in your brain... likewise when a scene rapidly shifts and changes perspectives your ears are going "He hasn't moved!" but your eyes are again telling your brain the opposite. This constant switching on and off of which sense you can trust while your brain is also saying you can't trust either is likely why people get headaches.

true 3D can only occur in a per person environment so that the image can move to match your perspective... which would be awesome, but we're never going to see it because that would be insanely expensive to film something from every angle in 3D and then have that streamed to a something that tracks your head motion and then produces the appropriate image...That's with todays technology...

Real 3D will exist soon enough through holograms that they already have semi-working Altered reality gadgets and virtual reality...

As to why they are doing it... it's basically to charge more because they are dying... They're on life support as it is now with distribution being so much better and home video and audio equipment being so much better. It's part of a system that is around just to feed into obscuring the reality of that whole industry. That era of theaters is over.


 

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How exciting. Ooh, tell me about how we don't actually smell objects, but only sense the aromatic molecules released by the object, which may be very different from the molecules that actually make up most of it.
While oddly worded, Rodion's actually telling you the truth. Our eyes are close enough together that it's not long before the distance between them isn't enough to create a 3-D effect. Our brains rely on other things to help construct our "map" of things in a 3 dimensional setting.

When I watched Avatar, I felt like my eyes had been shifted a yard apart. Things were in 3-D well past the point where they should have been, which made the movie very painful to watch by the end.


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I used to think downloading movies off the internet for free was wrong, but now with the way Hollywood is making everything 3D just to charge more money, my opinion is changing.

Not sure what I'll do if I find myself thinking it's okay.


 

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I used to think downloading movies off the internet for free was wrong, but now with the way Hollywood is making everything 3D just to charge more money, my opinion is changing.

Not sure what I'll do if I find myself thinking it's okay.
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While oddly worded, Rodion's actually telling you the truth. Our eyes are close enough together that it's not long before the distance between them isn't enough to create a 3-D effect. Our brains rely on other things to help construct our "map" of things in a 3 dimensional setting.

When I watched Avatar, I felt like my eyes had been shifted a yard apart. Things were in 3-D well past the point where they should have been, which made the movie very painful to watch by the end.
Oh i know that, i was making fun of his stating the painfully obvious, not disagreeing.

Past a fairly short range most 3D perception utilizes parallax, subconscious assumptions about scale, and to a certain degree lens focus. Actually it's the disconnect between lens focus and stereoscopic range finding that causes the most annoyance for me with many 3D movies. My eyes try to adjust focal length to match the stereoscopic cues and the two conflict. It usually takes a little while to adjust to the disconnect and then it makes most 3D actually feel faker than standard 2D film since the conflicting inputs are a constant reminder.


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Yeah, but were the 2D shows all the "early" matinees? Or were there any 2D shows in prime time (after 7PM)?
Good call.

Smaller of the two theaters, only 12 screens:
2D - 11:30a, 5p
3D - 2p, 7:45p, 10:30p

Larger, further away theater with 18 screens:
2D - 12:45p, 3:15p, 5:45p, 8p
3D - 11:30a, 2p, 4:30p, 7:15p, 9:45p, 11p, 12:05a

Those are Sunday's times.

The only other 3D films showing; Journey 2: Mysterious Island also has the same arrangement with only one post 6p 2D showing; SW:PM is 3D only and the bigger theater has two evening showings of Underworld 4 but only in 3D.


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As for the pointlessness of 3D or overt catering to it in movies, I finally got around to seeing on DVD the mocap/cgi A Christmas Carol from a couple of years ago. Boy did that have scene after scene of pointless in your face 3D (SCTV Count Floyd 3D - OOO, SCARY!) as if the movie was part of a theme park's 3D motion ride.


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For the price that we paid on the last 3d movie we saw we kept the friggin' glasses. Will be reusing them in the future, if there is a future.

The 3-d experience ruined alot of the motion we were expecting to see, blurring out millions of dollars worth of special effects, cg and detail.

Alot of the scenes, motion was so obscure and difficult to tell what was going on, had we not already seen it in 2-d we would have been lost.

Friggin' Star Wars. Bleh.

We are gonna pass on 3-d Ghost Rider.

I should have spent the money on another months sub but baby had cabin fever and I can't win any arguments with baby.

edit: the opening logos were better 3-d than the movie!


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If the people I met at the last hero summit are any indication of what the people are like in this forum, then I'd just like to say as a community we whine about a lot (and I mean A LOT) of QoL issues. "I don't like 3D because it's gimmicky" or "it makes my head hurt" or "I'm an autumn and the glasses are clearly Tropic chic." I absolutely identify with other nerds. I have no compunctions admitting I am one but with that being said if I were to complain this much about such banal minutiae around my friends, they'd cave my chest in and it would be for my own good. If you don't like it, that's all well and good and to say so is also fine. But to say it's stupid because you can't enjoy it like the rest of the populace can is petty.

I'm reminded of Louis C.K.'s bit about folks who moan because their flight was delayed or they had to taxi for prolonged periods.

"I had to sit on the runway for 40 minutes.' Oh my god, really? What happened then, did you fly through the air like a bird, incredibly? Did you soar into the clouds, impossibly? Did you partake in the miracle of human flight and then land softly on giant tires that you couldn't even conceive how they ******* put air in them?...You're sitting in a chair in the sky. You're like a Greek myth right now."

LOL seriously, I want to say sardonically, "Really? The glasses are clumsy? Even though they give those photographic images depth and literally add a new dimension to story telling? Take a step back and gain a little prespective!"


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the technology is definitely not perfect. Saying people are whining when they are reasonably voicing their opinions and experiences after they gave up money, well... that's just hostile.

why so hostile?


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I wouldn't say I feel hostility towards anyone per se despite the tone of my previous post. And like I said if you don't like 3D, I can understand that. But ever since 3D became the trend a few years ago folks on these boards have cursed it to no end. I, for one, don't understand the fuss. In most cases where 3D is available so is a 2D version, yet these same people still hate that the rest of the general public opt to see things in 3D. It's like staying in because you hate the cold but it's not enough because still you feel the need to curse the folks who have elected to play in the snow.


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"it makes my head hurt"
Talk to someone who actually gets days-long migraines and/or cluster headaches. It isn't "It makes my head hurt". It's "someone please take a chainsaw and open my head up". And that's a MILD one.

This isn't "whining about QOL issues". This is me irritated because the venue and the filmmakers are trying to push a technology on me that can potentially cause me enough pain that I wanna die and limiting my options for partaking of the content in other formats.

If you classify this as "banal minutiae"...well, forum rules prevent me from responding to you appropriately without getting censored by one of the mods.

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But to say it's stupid because you can't enjoy it like the rest of the populace can is petty.
So complaining because the format that doesn't cause me to suspect I've been stuck in a Scanners flick is limited to work hours, preventing me from seeing a film is petty?

Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

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LOL seriously, I want to say sardonically, "Really? The glasses are clumsy? Even though they give those photographic images depth and literally add a new dimension to story telling? Take a step back and gain a little prespective!"
YeahNO! 3D isn't some "new dimension". 3D film technology is nearly 100 years old now. It's simply in wider use now. In some cases it's a legitimate addition to the film, but in most cases, it's a gimmick designed to add on to the price of an already expensive film-going experience, which adds nothing to the film.



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Only theatre I like to go to only has it in 3-D. No 2-D option available at all. I generally try to support the generes/films I like by seeing them in the theatre, since that's what most bean-counters still rely on as a metric of success.

As a result, I will NOT be seeing it in their theatre, and will buy it when it comes out on DvD for much cheaper than the ammount I'd pay in admission, and in the format I want to see it in... as often as I want... on my huge-*** TV screen that gives the same effect as a theater when all the lights are out as far as I'm concerned.

Not whining about it one bit. Just stating a fact, and throwing in my opinion on it since there's a thread about it.


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as often as I want... on my huge-*** TV screen that gives the same effect as a theater when all the lights are out as far as I'm concerned.
So your TV makes the room smell like years of stale popcorn, ratty hotdogs, and makes the floor sticky with spilled soda, slushie and dropped candy while putting some annoying schmuck on the surround sound in back of you flapping his yap while taking progressively larger chunks of money out of your wallet every season?

WOW! How much did you pay for THAT setup?



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some annoying schmuck on the surround sound in back of you flapping his yap while taking progressively larger chunks of money out of your wallet every season?
I believe this is called having a child, so the cost could vary wildly from person to person.


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In most cases where 3D is available so is a 2D version, yet these same people still hate that the rest of the general public opt to see things in 3D.
The OP's specific complaint was that the 2D version was not available in his area. I don't think anyone's terribly upset about other people wanting to watch films in 3D, but rather the difficulty in finding 2D showings.


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Talk to someone who actually gets days-long migraines and/or cluster headaches. It isn't "It makes my head hurt". It's "someone please take a chainsaw and open my head up". And that's a MILD one.

This isn't "whining about QOL issues". This is me irritated because the venue and the filmmakers are trying to push a technology on me that can potentially cause me enough pain that I wanna die and limiting my options for partaking of the content in other formats.

If you classify this as "banal minutiae"...well, forum rules prevent me from responding to you appropriately without getting censored by one of the mods.



So complaining because the format that doesn't cause me to suspect I've been stuck in a Scanners flick is limited to work hours, preventing me from seeing a film is petty?

Yeah. Okay. Whatever.



YeahNO! 3D isn't some "new dimension". 3D film technology is nearly 100 years old now. It's simply in wider use now. In some cases it's a legitimate addition to the film, but in most cases, it's a gimmick designed to add on to the price of an already expensive film-going experience, which adds nothing to the film.

But please. Continue trying to rag on people who have real issues with the situation. Belligerent idiocy like that is always entertaining.

The fact that you're so off-the-rails over this only bolsters what I was trying to convey. So it hurts to watch 3D for you on a biblical level. I get that. Say your piece and move on. I lack an arch in my foot and I can't run more than 3 miles w/o having to stop and recuperate for a few minutes. I've tried every kind of shoe but to no effect. And yet I don't feel compelled to shout from the mountain tops that New Balance offers me no support. So some days I'll run a total of 6 miles in three mile increments. Other days I'll ride a bike. I find that I'm more content that I manned up and figured out an alternative solution as opposed to typing up a manifesto. Sometimes we end up on the fringes of the Venn Diagram. Not everyone gets cell coverage and not everyone gets cable. Best thing to do is suck it up and figure something else out.


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The fact that you're so off-the-rails over this only bolsters what I was trying to convey.
If you want to imagine this is actually so, more power to you.

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So it hurts to watch 3D for you on a biblical level. I get that.
No. You obviously don't.

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Say your piece and move on.
I did say my piece. And then I had some sanctimonious...pancake...basically pooh-pooh it as mere "wah wah nerdrage". So I replied. If that's going "off the rails" for you, I hope to god you never have to deal with real people in person.

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I lack an arch in my foot and I can't run more than 3 miles w/o having to stop and recuperate for a few minutes. I've tried every kind of shoe but to no effect.
I'll trade you.

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And yet I don't feel compelled to shout from the mountain tops that New Balance offers me no support.
Not even remotely close to what my original point was. But thanks for participating.



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The OP's specific complaint was that the 2D version was not available in his area. I don't think anyone's terribly upset about other people wanting to watch films in 3D, but rather the difficulty in finding 2D showings.
Not that it wasn't available. That it simply wasn't available in a prime-time showing. Only early-early matinees that'd require me to skip out on work.

That and I wouldn't have minded having a nice, civil conversation with people about the situation. But certain individuals would rather just rag on people for attention.



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I believe this is called having a child, so the cost could vary wildly from person to person.
Children: An energy vampire stage of the species **** sapiens. This stage of humanity is an apex predator, with primary sustenance gained from parasitic feeding from one's biological progenitors. Or, in case the progenitors aren't available or die, adopitve guardians.



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Saw the movie myself today with friends. Wasn't great cinema by any stretch of the imagination, but I had fun, and that's what I paid for. Was certainly better... well, less dumb... than the first one.

Saw it in 2D. As for the 3D thing, I won't pay to go see a 2-hour migraine, and I won't pay to see a two hour movie after paying to convert it to a non-migraine. If theaters want my money, I will always have the option. If they decide that doesn't matter, I'll not be wasting my time.


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...less dumb... than the first one.
(BLINK) Is this the same ghost rider film for which the trailer involved the titular character -literally- pissing a stream of fire?


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Talk to someone who actually gets days-long migraines and/or cluster headaches. It isn't "It makes my head hurt". It's "someone please take a chainsaw and open my head up". And that's a MILD one.

This isn't "whining about QOL issues". This is me irritated because the venue and the filmmakers are trying to push a technology on me that can potentially cause me enough pain that I wanna die and limiting my options for partaking of the content in other formats.
My wife wears glasses and finds the 3-D too dark, and the glasses an irritant. I have your problem with the migraines, so I get where you're coming from.

There's no showings in 2-D at my cinema (though 5 different viewing rooms opening weekend of the 3-D version) I was so irritated, I actually wrote the theatre an email expressing my displeasure. Few folks ever actually say anything, I felt it worth the effort. Even though I'll probably get ignored. Meh.

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So your TV makes the room smell like years of stale popcorn, ratty hotdogs, and makes the floor sticky with spilled soda, slushie and dropped candy while putting some annoying schmuck on the surround sound in back of you flapping his yap while taking progressively larger chunks of money out of your wallet every season?

WOW! How much did you pay for THAT setup?

Doesn't cost much, just takes a lot of tender loving care, and time.

Having kids doesn't hurt either... College... ugh!!


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Not even remotely close to what my original point was. But thanks for participating.
Too funny. Look, I made a blanket declaration that people in general are making too much of a big deal about 3D. It looks to me like you took this statement personally then made it your crusade to vehemently beleaguer the issue. You obviously haven't moved on. How do I know this you ask? BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT!!!! Seriously, if you said your piece and went on your merry, we wouldn't still be having this discussion because folks who can do exactly that don't fall into the category of 'Folks who complain and complain'. In other words, if you can say you dislike 3D for whatever reason, state that reason succinctly and concisely, all without beating the proverbial dead horse then never was I ever talking about you.


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Children: An energy vampire stage of the species **** sapiens. This stage of humanity is an apex predator, with primary sustenance gained from parasitic feeding from one's biological progenitors. Or, in case the progenitors aren't available or die, adopitve guardians.
This stage tends to last anywhere from 18 to 35 years.