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Posted on: 2012-02-13 16:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I think women are, for the most part, dressed terribly in comic books. I also know they're dressed that way because there are men who specifically buy those comic books to look at slutty super ladies. And that history is a big part of why I. personally, have no real interest in making female characters.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
and yet you think corsets as outer wear are weird?
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I would generally ignore a female character wearing a corset as a costume in this game, because sadly that is within the realm of what a female superhero could be expected to wear, and thus would neither arouse nor disgust me (because it's not real).
I would look at a real-life girl wearing a corset in public and wonder why the hell she's wearing her underwear in public, and I would think she should go put some damn clothes on.
... You know, basically the same way you'd look at a guy walking down the street in tights and a cape.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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gives this man a Carnie helmet and a couple Legacy Chain pieces and call it a day.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
You want to know my complaints? The fact that they made a female-only Carnival of Light pack at all is a start. That they're giving females just about all of the previously male-only costume pieces from the Magic, Steampunk and Gunslinger packs and giving males exactly nothing is a pretty obvious one too.
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anyways, gift horse, mouth, this is why we can't have nice things, etc and so on.
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QFT. All of this is also why I am so ticked off. I don't give a crap that females had those items ported to them. I am annoyed that there was a female only costume pack released at all. I am annoyed that there are a ton of parts that could be ported from female to males and are not. |
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
When did I ever say I was complaining about the Pocket D pack?
You want to know my complaints? The fact that they made a female-only Carnival of Light pack at all is a start. That they're giving females just about all of the previously male-only costume pieces from the Magic, Steampunk and Gunslinger packs and giving males exactly nothing is a pretty obvious one too. There are costume options that females have had for years that shouldn't have been kept from males. The female headbands and even tiaras are largely plain and wouldn't be out of place on males as circlets. Females have those nifty cloud and dragon bracers and padded gloves that have no reason to be limited to one gender. Shoulder kitties and pandas (and add the damn parrot that the ghost pirates get already), anybody? Girls have a lot of "tops with skin" and "bottoms with skin" options that males don't get access to (excluding the obvious things that they don't want us to have, like corsets and bikinis). ... Heck, I could even think of a few uses for the regular skirts to make costumes for space aliens, though I wouldn't expect those to ever get ported to males. |
I agree with Chad 100%.
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I don't agree with the divide in costume content, and I've already said that I refuse to argue that point. My case is that I'd be perfectly happy if the devs decided to delete the saloon girl outfit altogether and just roll in the cowboy gear.|
Originally Posted by BellaStrega
When the boys got something new and cool (gunslinger outfits) girls got saloon girl outfits, which is not - even though it is relevant to the wild west - particularly typical garb for gunfighters. People were upset about this because boys got to be badasses and girls got to be sex workers. Not just women but men as well complained (and several have spoken up in this thread).
Now that the badass pieces are being proliferated to female characters, you're complaining that female characters have some of the costume parts that male/huge characters had ever since the pack came out. |
Let me break it down for you:
- I have no problem with males getting A and females getting A.
- I have no problem with males getting A and females getting B.
- I have a BIG problem with males getting A and females getting A + B.
(And FYI, I would also have an issue males getting A+B while females only got A or B. Or at least I would have before the Carnival of Light pack... now I'd say we're pretty much owed some new stuff, but I know we're not going to get it.)
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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...great, now somebody's gotta get the cleaning wipes out...
Great news!
Now... about those holsters. 
And any chance of the wide-brimmed Renegade Hats getting ported over?
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I would look at a real-life girl wearing a corset in public and wonder why the hell she's wearing her underwear in public, and I would think she should go put some damn clothes on.
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I figure you get all the costume pieces regarless and you only limit yourself if you dont use both genders which is a choice.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I don't agree with the divide in costume content, and I've already said that I refuse to argue that point. My case is that I'd be perfectly happy if the devs decided to delete the saloon girl outfit altogether and just roll in the cowboy gear.
Let me break it down for you:
(And FYI, I would also have an issue males getting A+B while females only got A or B. Or at least I would have before the Carnival of Light pack... now I'd say we're pretty much owed some new stuff, but I know we're not going to get it.) |
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But the saloon outfit is also a classic western look - why would it need to be deleted?
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I don't agree with the divide in costume content, and I've already said that I refuse to argue that point. My case is that I'd be perfectly happy if the devs decided to delete the saloon girl outfit altogether and just roll in the cowboy gear.
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@Golden Girl
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Those would also be requested for females.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
give me a good reason why guys don't get an olde-timey bartender outfit with suspenders and an apron included in that bundle?
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@Golden Girl
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You need to get out more. Corsets as outer wear is no where near a new thing. At least not in the last 20 years.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I think women are, for the most part, dressed terribly in comic books. I also know they're dressed that way because there are men who specifically buy those comic books to look at slutty super ladies. And that history is a big part of why I. personally, have no real interest in making female characters.
I would generally ignore a female character wearing a corset as a costume in this game, because sadly that is within the realm of what a female superhero could be expected to wear, and thus would neither arouse nor disgust me (because it's not real). I would look at a real-life girl wearing a corset in public and wonder why the hell she's wearing her underwear in public, and I would think she should go put some damn clothes on. ... You know, basically the same way you'd look at a guy walking down the street in tights and a cape. |
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The Carnival of Light pack, for reference, has 10 costume pieces (female only) and three weapons (Carnival of Light Mace, Carnival of War Mace, Carnival of Vengeance Mace). The gunslinger pack, as it exists right now, has 29 pieces, which amounts to badass for the male and huge models and saloon girl for the female models. You are angry that female characters will have access to badass costume options just because they still have access to the saloon girl options that a lot of people didn't like in the first place.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I don't agree with the divide in costume content, and I've already said that I refuse to argue that point. My case is that I'd be perfectly happy if the devs decided to delete the saloon girl outfit altogether and just roll in the cowboy gear.
Let me break it down for you:
(And FYI, I would also have an issue males getting A+B while females only got A or B. Or at least I would have before the Carnival of Light pack... now I'd say we're pretty much owed some new stuff, but I know we're not going to get it.) |
Your complaint has no merit and less substance. Let it go. You're not losing anything, you're not being hurt, you're not being oppressed. You don't even seem to understand what the complaints about the gunslinger pack in the first place were about.
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That's a self-imposed rule, not an NCSoft one.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
The part where it's not fair to those of us with a stable of predominantly male characters, and my $5 only buys my favorite characters 1 costume when it'll buy someone else 2, and we paid for the exact same thing...?
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My sub gives me access to all the content in the game, but I only play the blue side stuff - people who play blue, red, yellow and gray are getting more than me, but for exactly the same price.
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You have to remember big cities are still not where most live. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You don't live in a big city, do you?
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And having lived in a big city for a long time, unless times have really changed that much, only corsets being worn is not popular.Unless it's an east coast thing.
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I live on the west coast and have seen corsets in many social venues. Many are specifically designed to be worn as outerwear.
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Can it be even called a "costume pack"? It's more like an accessory bundle considering it doesn't have any 'outfits'.|
Originally Posted by BellaStrega
Also, the Carnival of Light pack is actually pretty small for serving as a centerpiece of injustice here, as it's one of the smallest costume packs available - the majority for females. But I believe it's all of 12 pieces? Many costume packs seem to have far more.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we got a male oriented costume bundle down the line anyways.
Honestly, this whole thing is less about costume piece numbers and more about...
I live in Seattle where we have superheroes. I suspect women wearing corsets are more common than the superheroes. And both are probably more common than men wearing suits (not really, but suits are rare). And all are more common than robots walking the streets.
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Originally Posted by Vyver
I wouldn't be surprised if we got a male oriented costume bundle down the line anyways.
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Because what exactly could they put in it that wouldn't be useful to females?
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Yeah, it doesn't really have many options. I didn't care for the fact that it was priced the same as more substantial packs.|
Originally Posted by Vyver
Can it be even called a "costume pack"? It's more like an accessory bundle considering it doesn't have any 'outfits'.
I wouldn't be surprised if we got a male oriented costume bundle down the line anyways. |
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Honestly, this whole thing is less about costume piece numbers and more about...
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I appreciate the time spent importing the items onto the female model. It goes to show that there's still some opportunity for items to be changed in the sets we've already purchased.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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I love the female gunslinger belt! Who can hate that?!
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Originally Posted by BellaStrega
The Carnival of Light pack, for reference, has 10 costume pieces (female only) and three weapons (Carnival of Light Mace, Carnival of War Mace, Carnival of Vengeance Mace). The gunslinger pack, as it exists right now, has 29 pieces, which amounts to badass for the male and huge models and saloon girl for the female models. You are angry that female characters will have access to badass costume options just because they still have access to the saloon girl options that a lot of people didn't like in the first place.
Your complaint has no merit and less substance. Let it go. You're not losing anything, you're not being hurt, you're not being oppressed. You don't even seem to understand what the complaints about the gunslinger pack in the first place were about. |
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It's not so much the belt as the thigh high boots and the corset and the belt and I think that about covers the clothing.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I love the female gunslinger belt! Who can hate that?!
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Oh, there may have been garters. I forget.
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Pretty much. I don't care if females have the badass stuff or not. I just care that they get more stuff than males.|
Originally Posted by BellaStrega
You are angry that female characters will have access to badass costume options just because they still have access to the saloon girl options that a lot of people didn't like in the first place.
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My argument has nothing to do with content at all. Pretend the badass gunslinger bits are M&Ms and the saloon girl stuff is jelly beans if that makes it easier for you. I don't see why males get a pile of M&Ms, but females get an equivalent amount of jelly beans plus a similar amount of M&Ms.
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| Your complaint has no merit and less substance. Let it go. You're not losing anything, you're not being hurt, you're not being oppressed. You don't even seem to understand what the complaints about the gunslinger pack in the first place were about. |
And whether you see it as such or not, males ARE losing parity in number of costume options. I don't care what those options are--that's arguing about content, which I've repeatedly said I'm not here to do. For the purpose of this argument, they could make a male-only thuggy rap guy costume pack or a sparkly Twilight vampire costume pack for all I care (I wouldn't buy either), as long as it gets the available number of male costume options close to that of females.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Cod pieces?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I would
Because what exactly could they put in it that wouldn't be useful to females? |
Anyways, I'm wondering how this is even a numbers game to begin with. You pay 400 points for both the male and female outfits. The only thing changing is the options in wearing them.
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Originally Posted by Vyver
Cod pieces?
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@Golden Girl
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Having an issue with the Gunslinger bundle because of the differing costume content is a completely different beast, and it's not something I'm going to argue about.
Also, the Carnival of Light pack is actually pretty small for serving as a centerpiece of injustice here, as it's one of the smallest costume packs available - the majority for females. But I believe it's all of 12 pieces? Many costume packs seem to have far more.
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