Meh, no use complaining about this further. Not like I care about holiday missions anyway. 
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This debuff will be reduced for next years event.
On a similar note, we have ordered a tactical strike on the developer who's idea it was.
No, not really.
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
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Wait. No, it won't really be reduced? Or no, there is not going to be a tactical strike? Stop sending mixed messages! >.< lol
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
This debuff will be reduced for next years event.
On a similar note, we have ordered a tactical strike on the developer who's idea it was. No, not really. |
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Wait. No, it won't really be reduced? Or no, there is not going to be a tactical strike? Stop sending mixed messages! >.< lol
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No, we are not threatening anyone with physical violence.
Andy Belford
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You're not threatening anyone with physical violence? This news is an ironic slap in the face!
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Yes, it will be reduced.
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We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
I botched the ritual both times I did the mission.
It did not make my characters unplayable, and I continued to do the rest of the valentine's content with the debuff. Including a whole mess of tip missions to get valentine tips.
I'm not sure why anyone would complain about this?
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I found the wrong side delivery missions so much more annoying than the possible debuff.
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This debuff will be reduced for next years event.
On a similar note, we have ordered a tactical strike on the developer who's idea it was. No, not really. |
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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Originally Posted by legendaryjman2
I botched the ritual both times I did the mission.
It did not make my characters unplayable, and I continued to do the rest of the valentine's content with the debuff. Including a whole mess of tip missions to get valentine tips. I'm not sure why anyone would complain about this? |
The solution, of course, was to play another character the following day, while the debuff wore off. I like to think of it as my character sleeping off a "magical hangover."
(PS: Arcanaville, though I didn't actually use the build you posted, thanks for getting others interested in my conundrum and leading me to a pretty badass build.)
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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As a fellow player who's main is both a magic-origin and has the Archmage badge, I'd like to say that the blood sacrifice was the FIRST thing that occurred to my character. Blood has a strong power, to sacrifice a bit of your life in a ritual like this seems obvious. It's a resurrection ritual, not a fancy dinner party. Sometimes you have to work with what you have on the fly, you can't go and do the research and realize what the results will be.|
Originally Posted by Silver Gale
What if it penalizes folks for not reading the mind of the arc's writer?
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Regardless, I think it's a bit silly to refuse to do an arc when you KNOW what to do to avoid a debuff just to send some kind of message. But whatever, I'm kind of use to the forums being the lowest common denominator of City of Heroes.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
This debuff will be reduced for next years event.
On a similar note, we have ordered a tactical strike on the developer who's idea it was. No, not really. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Threaten no.. Promise?.. whole other story |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Yes, it will be reduced.
No, we are not threatening anyone with physical violence. |
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Really? Huh. I guess I was one of the only ones who thought it wasn't all that bad.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
This debuff will be reduced for next years event.
On a similar note, we have ordered a tactical strike on the developer who's idea it was. No, not really. |
That being said, ever since issue 4, I learned to build my characters around low sustained endurance usage. Unless I'm under attack by sappers or electricity blasts, my blue bar barely ever moves. So dropping from 100 END to 80 END barely dented me. And a 3% to-hit debuff is a rounding error, not a serious problem.
Next thing you know, you'll tell me that you intend to completely eliminate the Vahzilok Wasting Disease arc.
When you say "reduced" do you just mean the effect of the debuff, or the time (or both)? Just that from my point of view, it's the 20 hour thing which is bonkers, the actual debuff itself is bad but wouldn't really be worth complaining about if it was a reasonable time.
For the record when I say "reasonable time" I am thinking in the 5-10 minute region.
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They better not. That's a great story arc.
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Next thing you know, you'll tell me that you intend to completely eliminate the Vahzilok Wasting Disease arc.
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Originally Posted by Mokalus
When you say "reduced" do you just mean the effect of the debuff, or the time (or both)? Just that from my point of view, it's the 20 hour thing which is bonkers, the actual debuff itself is bad but wouldn't really be worth complaining about if it was a reasonable time.
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The duration of.
Not sure what they'll change the duration to, but when we brought it up in a meeting it was agreed we'd change it for next years event.
Andy Belford
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Didn't we say it needed to be shorter in Beta? I think we tried to warn you... :P
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The duration of.
Not sure what they'll change the duration to, but when we brought it up in a meeting it was agreed we'd change it for next years event. |
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Originally Posted by Blackleviathan
Do they have Anywhere in the forums the RIGHT way to do the ritual for further attempts on any characters?
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Don't use *MY* characters as experiments in your RP shenanigans Devs! Just feed me missions and rewards, that is *ALL* I want from this game!
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Originally Posted by Ogi
Do the clues say not to mutter spells when improvising since people here have said that's the only thing they did wrong and that got them the debuff?
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Without wanting to insult you; you good sir (madam?) are the reason why we get stuff like THIS.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I was playing a freaking android at the time. He doesn't have any blood, hello???
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Still part of you has to go to the other side to accomplish the ritual. Doesn´t matter if it´s real blood, servo fluid or any other fictional substance your body might have.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It's a bad idea for a mission that offers no special reward and offers a very special penalty. What possible reason could I have to ever consider playing that one when I can play a mission with a better story which rewards me more AND doesn't debuff my character for 20 hours?
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But yeah, the debuff duration is far too long. Dividing it by 60 (20 minutes) would be a good idea, as stated several times. Still long enough to let you feel it for the rest of the arc but not a gamebreaker.
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Originally Posted by AmazingMOO
Me: *botch the ritual for the sake of my character wouldn't cut unless nothing else was working*
Me: *Beat up Carnies and Julianne* Me: 'Wow, these Arachnos are kinda kicking my *** today. I'm having to use a lot more purples. I must be playing at +0 too much.' Forums: 'WHARLGARGLBLE 20 HOUR DEBUF OMGQUITTINGSOHARDPOSIWONTEATDONUTSANYMORE.' Me: 'Oh... I did get a bit of a debuff there. Neat!' |
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
Apparently there's a bug.. if you log off.. the damn debuff stacks. I logged off 3 times on my 1 character.. my endurance is now NEGATIVE 20!!!!!!!!!!
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Can we please get a pic of that?
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You're not threatening anyone with physical violence? This news is an ironic slap in the face!
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I botched the ritual both times I did the mission.
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Oh. I can live with that. Although I think it should be long enough to incentivize reading the clues in order to solve the logic puzzle and get it right. If I had to pick a number out of the air, I'd go for about 1 to 2 hours.
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The duration of.
Not sure what they'll change the duration to, but when we brought it up in a meeting it was agreed we'd change it for next years event. |
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Or make it more like the Vahzilok wasting disease and actually just go away when you finish the arc (I know - the VWD actually goes away right before the last mission of the arc, but same idea).
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Oh. I can live with that. Although I think it should be long enough to incentivize reading the clues in order to solve the logic puzzle and get it right. If I had to pick a number out of the air, I'd go for about 1 to 2 hours.
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Weird. For some reason I got the botched ritual the first time I tried it, but it was gone by the time I left the mission. (And this was a few days back.) I was actually surprised that the botched ritual hadn't lasted longer.
Personally, while I haven't run the missions yet to get hit with that, part of my brain likes this idea. Just like how I love timed missions, it gives the feeling that there's actually some kind of consequence for failure. Not just "Whoops, I'll just run it again." kind of feeling. Sure, turning down the duration from 20 hours isn't bad, I'd still like a duration higher than 10-15 minutes, IMO
But maybe I'm just crazy....
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It's one thing to give a little debuff for not doing it correctly. Even a strongetr debuff wouldn't matter if it was just 15 or 20 minutes.
20 hours is ridiculous.
I'd just started to think that maybe some of the design decisions were improving, when they go and do something like this. In fact, I had actually decided to drop 50 bucks or so on the power packs.
After getting a 20 hour debuff dropped on me, that's money that they're never going to see. Unfortunately, it's the only way I have to communicate my displeasure that they'll listen to, so I figured I'd post here: 50 dollars in lost sales as a direct result of the decision to put something so ridiculously punitive into the game.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
It's one thing to give a little debuff for not doing it correctly. Even a strongetr debuff wouldn't matter if it was just 15 or 20 minutes.
20 hours is ridiculous. I'd just started to think that maybe some of the design decisions were improving, when they go and do something like this. In fact, I had actually decided to drop 50 bucks or so on the power packs. After getting a 20 hour debuff dropped on me, that's money that they're never going to see. Unfortunately, it's the only way I have to communicate my displeasure that they'll listen to, so I figured I'd post here: 50 dollars in lost sales as a direct result of the decision to put something so ridiculously punitive into the game. |
Oh yeah? I'm going to go home tonight and spend ONE HUNDRED dollars on Paragon Points. I've got thousands already (proof in a message I posted the other day) specifically because they got you so worked up about this. I normally don't delight in the misery of others, but after seeing the gross overreactions in this thread, I'm glad they had a 20 hours debuff.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
I didn't read anything, and correctly completed the ritual. I didn't know there WAS a debuff until this thread. I just did what felt right.
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.