*SPOILERS* Who is this? *SPOILERS*

Frankly... I'd like to see more skin on some of the males for a change.

We've got more half naked women than you can shake a stick at*, but the most exposed the men get is bare arms?

(*Exaggeration, of course)

@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too

Another part of the disconnect here is that we're being sold a retcon that claims that she was already mostly grown up when we first met her.

They need to rethink that. She's not acting like an 18/19 year old in the Faultline arcs and LGTF, and she's definitely not acting like a 23/24 year old in the leaked arc.

Either drop the retcon and go with physical appearance (13/14 in Faultline, 18/19 "now"), or rewrite the character to act her age.

Wait, is obscene BaBs an option? Can it be an option?

With enough complaining it can get done. Just complain loud and long enough.

That's the premise I've been operating under for the past five years.


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It's not a retcon.

She was 14/15 years old when CoH came out, and they aged her every year since. It's another of those wonky CoH Timeline...there's mission timeline and there's real time line.

First... I have no problem with her outfit.
Second... I dont have much of a problem with her being around, although I like Psyche better.

Third.. Isn't it a bit of a problem, when you go and meet her now.. and then can go stand next to her 'younger' self?

At least with Fusionette growing... we don't get to do the double interact with her. Young she is in missions, older.. again in missions. You can never go stand next to her younger and older selves out in the open.
Or.. am I mistaken?

That's what I thought.

No, it IS a retcon according to Golden Girl's information. Her description says that she was 18 when we first met her and that she has been getting training from a mysterious, unnamed person in the intervening four years. (Presumably, the Clockwork King.) It's in this thread back up towards the first couple of pages.

Since I'm pretty sure that her age was never explicitly defined then it's technically correct to claim "No, it's just a clarification" but the fact remains that her depiction is, as you say, that of a 14-year-old or thereabouts.

***EDIT***

I went looking for Golden Girl's post on that topic and found that Beastyle had "moderated" out Penny's personal description. Maybe they're going to change it from what it was when Golden Girl first checked it, or maybe they just didn't want that as a spoiler on the forum. Hard to say.

It's something from the private VIP-only beta, about an accidentally-released, work-in-progress arc. Of course they're going to remove it.

TBH I'm surprised so much of the VIP-only beta information is left standing out here in the wilds.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

... how do people get 'SKIN IZ TEH DEBBILZ!!!' from 'I dislike the bare skin involved in this costume because it is visually unappealing when considered as a part of whole', anyhow?

Speaking for myself, I'm... labelling the costume poorly?.. because I disagree (respectfully, of course- David's art skills are admirable) with some of the design decisions that have gone into it. Superheroes have traditionally gone the route of a very iconic style- no matter how visually busy Batman's costume may get, for example (Arkham City, I'm looking at you here -_-), it still conforms to an instantly recognizable iconography- pointy ears, scalloped cape, and a bat-symbol. You can put those on a zarking egg and still have a recognizable Batman motif. Ditto a lot of the classic superhero costumes- Cyclops, all you need are the blue-and-gold tights and the visor, Spidey the red-and-blue with the eyes, the webbing, and the spider-symbol...

I don't know. The costume could work with some minor tweaking- I like Punky Yang conceptually, but the leather-armour-belly shirt just looks so incredibly silly to me that I have a hard time getting past it. Maybe a jean jacket..?

:O I loved the leather-armor-belly shirt so much, that I want it in game for PCs!

Because it's the internet and if we don't over exaggerate everybody else's opinion we won't look like the voice of reason while screaming at the tops of our typing lungs that the other person is wrong and/or Hitler.

That was more or less what I meant. There's nothing in that costume that's uniquely identifiable with Penelope, unless you go down to the specific detailing and minute item placement. But like you said - putting this costume on another person or rendering it in a stylised caricature like most webcomics would make it unrecognisable, because there's nothing truly recognisable about it.

Again, I challenge people to describe the costume to me in a few words, and describe it in such a way that it doesn't describe a whole bunch of other people's costumes without much word-twisting. I don't think you can, because there is no one thing and no one small group of things that are uniquely identifiable about it.

Batman is a good example. I've seen him in the comics, I saw him in the movies, in the cartoons, in the various game he's shown up in and I've seen mock-ups of his costume used by regular people all over the Internet. His costume is always different everywhere it shows up, but it's always uniquely identifiable as his own regardless of exactly what its finer details are. Busy or simple, professional or fan-made, it IS Batman's costume. That's what I want for Penny, as well - something that's memorable when you stop looking at it, and right now the most memorable part of her costume is her belly button, because she's apparently the only person in the world who was born with one.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

She wears pointless metal things on her face?

I just don't get them, they seem so Leifieldan, what do they do, what are they for? Did the designer just play a bit too much Deus Ex : HR before designing her?

According to David, hey may or may not help enhance Penny's psychic powers.

You are right, however. The quote/unquote "face junk" may be a shot at being iconic, but it just comes off as a gimmick, especially since it's face plates AND face paint AND it doesn't seem to relate to the rest of her costume. And I don't know about anyone else, but to ME, it seems to lack the style and badassery of Adam Jansen's sunglasses implanted directly into his face.

I hate to keep ragging on the work of a legitimately good artist, but sometimes I feel that David is a bit TOO good for his own sake The artistry, skill and detail in that costume is amazing, but there's simply so much of it that it comes off more as an artist's grab bag of ideas than as a cohesive, self-contained whole.

It's like trying to tell one cluttered college dorm room from another. Sure, if you charted ratio of old pizza boxes to empty beer bottles and plotted the location of old laundry, you could develop a very unique profile for each one. But when I look at your research, all I see is a bunch of messy dorm rooms.

The "face junk" could honestly served to be an iconic piece to set Penny apart... If I could tell what it was. And I can't. I see a pair of face plates with a geometric shape I can't describe (and I have an Applied Mathematics degree) and a couple of face paint stripes I can't explain. If Penny wore some kind of cool shades, or maybe larger visor, or even some kind of large forehead-mounted contraption that I could look at and go "Oh! This must be for her psychic powers!" THEN you could take her out of her clothes and she'd still be recognisable as Penelope Yin.

Can I say that now? Take her out of her clothes? She's not 16 any more, right? She's over 18 at least... Right? Oh, man...

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Preferential treatment for individuals with a single-eye twitch.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.