Titan Network: SOPA Blackout


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Well, it's after midnight, and we've re-enabled all of our Titan Network sites. As someone posted above, today DID have an impact. Several Congressmen who were supporters and even co-sponsors of the bill have back-pedaled today and rescinded their support. Best of all, the blackouts today have generated a LOT of discussion and prompted people to get informed about bills about "techie stuff," ones that normally would cause people's eyes to glaze over and that would have been easily ignored until they were passed into law.

We at the Titan Network would like to say a HUGE "Thank you!" to everyone who expressed support for us, especially to everyone who took the time to sign one of the petitions and/or contact their Congressmen, and also to Zwillinger, who allowed the thread to stay open and supported us by posting here, causing it to show up in the Community Digest.
Very well said!
And thanks again TonyV and Ransim and everyone else who's brought attention to this and everyone who has put their names down and sent the message of disapproval. I've seen plenty of people learn about this whole affair just from the blackout protests, so, this was very much a success.
I have little doubt that the enemies will be back in action soon enough....

Nonetheless... well done, my friends.


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Amen.

My only question is:
Who is supporting SOPA outside of the media? How are these guys still pushing without jack squat for support?
For one: The banks are supporting SOPA or any other legislation that will grant lawmakers or DHS or any party the power to indiscriminately shut down sections of the internet. I'll let your imagination turn as to why they might be lobbying for these sorts of laws.

Keep connecting the dots people.


 

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For the Titannetwork forums... It's not letting me register for it :/ not sure if it's liked to the Titannetwork password or game password either.... Just thought I'd kinda point that out since I was reading the forums there after being redirected from the paragon wiki site being blacked our



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Bad joke inbound! You have been warned.

All this talk of politics is kinda dull, but this bill is SOPArific.

On a serious note, I wholeheartedly support the blackout, thank you to the Titan Network team for helping bring this serious issue to the attention of players who might otherwise have remained blissfully unaware.


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For the one asking about Anon's involvement..

Their presence is about to be felt. Yoda's feeling a disturbance in the net, spiderman is tingling, and super man's brow is wrinkled.

I think it's fair to say there's going to a carpstorm a brewin' and the epic turnabout is soon to be seen as not fair play.

Good luck intarwebz.
I really hope they keep out of it. Terrorism never helps any legitimate cause.


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(I also really like that spotlight effect on the blackout page!)
This^^^. Pretty much the best looking blackout I saw all day.

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One that's not even remotely likely of passing?
You do realize how close it actually is to passing, right?


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Right. That's why everybody did the SOPA blackout--because there was no chance it would ever pass. It was just for fun. -_-


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Right. That's why everybody did the SOPA blackout--because there was no chance it would ever pass. It was just for fun. -_-
I read that PIPA (the Senate version) is still alive and well but last night on the news it sounded like Grassley is slowly backing away from it.

And just like any good movie monster I think Jason/Freddie/Michael will return. Next time they might be more clever to slip it into a large bill and pass it late on a Friday.


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I read that PIPA (the Senate version) is still alive and well but last night on the news it sounded like Grassley is slowly backing away from it.

And just like any good movie monster I think Jason/Freddie/Michael will return. Next time they might be more clever to slip it into a large bill and pass it late on a Friday.
Just keep in mind how the fatcats acted in the aftermath of the BP Deepwater disaster. Lots of upfront fixes and promises. All later walked back when attention died down.

SOPA/PIPA/and any other serious power grab of this sort is far from dead. Vigilance of the populace is necessary. Without it, rights-eroding garbage like NDAA gets passed with only a minority of the general population aware of the significance enough to openly oppose it.


 

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This highlights more than anything how vaguely legislation is written and how many examples of unintended consequences can be shown once you get programmers and engineers involved.

A few years back my state passed some law about outdoor burning. It was so vague that the boy scout camp couldn't light camp fires and fire departments couldn't do training with sample fires.

As for SOPA/PIPA, if defeated it will be tried again like the various "protect the children from the Internet or video games" laws that keep getting churned out then thrown out. You can't put the Genie back into the bottle. The Internet, once bandwidth has reached the levels we have today, is kicking to many existing business models in the junk and it's not just the RIAA or MPAA but network television, radio and cable monopolies. Society is moving from a passive "take what we offer, when we offer it" model to an on demand "I want to see/hear this now" model. Face it there are decades of infrastructure build around these old business models and unless they learn to adapt, they will only encourage people to use pirate sites to provide their entertainment their way.

Attempts in the past to provide what people are craving, Hulu and Netflix for example, have become too successful for their own good. Network TV is now shying away from hosting the last X episodes on Hulu or having a ridiculous delay, because it affects a shows ratings which is how a current show's success is determined. Netflix is going to be charged a ridiculous amount to stream content because the content owners felt they weren't getting a big enough cut while broadband providers, many cable, are capping the downloads so people won't drop cable.

There is simply too much money involved in entertainment industries and the other businesses built on them to convince them to give up, or at the very least try to understand what the Internet is and how to craft legislation that isn't as vague.

This is all to preserve the existing entertainment business models that have evolved over nearly a century.

Can't wait to see the mischief that "matter compilers" ala The Diamond Age will do.


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Watch that TEDtalk video I posted...

also if you look at the numbers about the movie industry they've held at the same profit margins for the last 10 years soooo the basis of it is BS to begin with.


 

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Best of all, the blackouts today have generated a LOT of discussion and prompted people to get informed about bills about "techie stuff," ones that normally would cause people's eyes to glaze over and that would have been easily ignored until they were passed into law.
Exactly the point of this. The companies that own traditional media outlets are almost all supporters of the legislation, so the issue has been given nearly zero attention in the news.

The blacking out of these websites have helped inform many people who would have likely otherwise not known of this issue.


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Yes: Highly unlikely.
Increasingly unlikely now. But before the protests and boycotts started? No bet.


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Can't wait to see the mischief that "matter compilers" ala The Diamond Age will do.
That's why money doesn't exist in the 24th century. Once your house has solar panels, a replicator, and a holosuite, currency becomes somewhat superfluous.

Heck: the outdoors becomes somewhat superfluous.


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That's more of a response/protest to Megaupload/MegaVideo getting seized/owners arrested.

As for tricking people on the Internet, see Nigerian Princes.


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That's why money doesn't exist in the 24th century. Once your house has solar panels, a replicator, and a holosuite, currency becomes somewhat superfluous.

Heck: the outdoors becomes somewhat superfluous.
Outdoors?


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Told you guys.

They are legion lol.

Anonymous is not some ragtag group, they are not really hactivists, they are not ''a person..'' and the fault can't purely be blamed on them alone. In the sake of War throughout history did talking always get the message across? No? Yeah. Could there been an agreement on both sides if the parties were willing to reach some middle ground? Possibly, but as we all know neither side usually wants to walk 500 miles to reach said ground. They want some leverage over the other side, or to keep what the other is saying No to the most.

In this case, you can do the blackouts, you can have protests, you can meet with your mayor or governor, send letters to your senate but is that really going to solve anything? Partially, yes. However, in this day and age you have to show a little muscle, a little flex, and cunning. I for one do not see this as a catastrophe or nerd's revenge but rather a militant demonstration using the tools available. Strategy. Sun Tzu's upgraded model.

There's many ways to get to your enemy defensively, but every now and again you have to prove a point through cyber warfare so to catch the media's attention. Ever notice how the media shifts from ''Anonymous did this!"' to '' Protests around the world...'' almost immediately after? Why? Because attention that was needed had been done by a few so the bigger picture would be grasped.

Black Outs did their part, but for the News to catch on you need something exciting that makes people go, '' OH I HAVE TO WATCH THAT..'' as opposed to, '' Oh, they're rallying peacefully? Lets see what else is on. ''

It's the mind set of the peoples today, just like in the news a mass majority won't watch something or read about something if it doesn't have a formidable action involved in either a gruesome manner or destructive way.

Yup. Welcome to 2012, and Anon is just warming up.


 

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Or you could have the media not controlled by the people who are in favor of the bill being protested... Of course they are always going to take any negative thing they can to make those protesting look bad.


 

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In this case, you can do the blackouts, you can have protests, you can meet with your mayor or governor, send letters to your senate but is that really going to solve anything? Partially, yes. However, in this day and age you have to show a little muscle, a little flex, and cunning. I for one do not see this as a catastrophe or nerd's revenge but rather a militant demonstration using the tools available. Strategy. Sun Tzu's upgraded model.
Personally, I think that it's petty and juvenile. But morality aside and talking only strategically... There are three huge problems you're overlooking in glorifying what Anonymous is doing:

1) These efforts have a high chance of backfiring and turning public opinion against them. Sure, they've pulled off some "Robin Hood"-esque endeavors, but all it takes is for one highly visible, sympathetic figure to get hurt along the way or one scummy member to do something in its name that negatively affects lots of people for the public to suddenly shift their opinion of Anonymous from Robin Hood to Osama bin Laden. The latest effort in getting people to unwillingly become part of a DoS attack is one such example. When innocent people start getting shut off from the Internet because of something that Anonymous did to them, how will that bolster Anonymous's reputation?

2) These efforts give lawmakers exactly what they're looking for in ammunition to further curtail our rights. Right now, there are a lot of good things about an open Internet: free speech, democratization of access, etc. There are also a lot of bad things: scams, trolls, propagation of hate, etc. With bills like SOPA and PIPA, the lawmakers try to make the argument that yes, it will cut down on the good Internet stuff, but they NEED that power because the bad Internet stuff is so, well, bad--the trade-off is worth it. When people become more afraid of Anonymous than they are of the people Anonymous is fighting, a severe overreaction isn't just possible, it's inevitable, and with public support at that, and that's not good for anyone.

3) Within such an unstructured group such as Anonymous, there's no one to act as a "safety valve," a conscience, a last best chance to keep from doing something really stupid. As a result, the group can be relatively easily co-opted by those who do not have the group as a whole, or the public as a whole, interest at heart. Sure, it's kind of amusing in a dark kind of way when Visa or the RIAA or the DoJ gets shut down. But what happens when someone decides that a hospital site should be taken down? Or a charity? Or the Titan Network? We have literally thousands of port probes and hacking attempts every day, one of which was depressingly successful. Will you be as gung ho to support their efforts when some random schmo takes a shot at something you need, use, or support?

Now, don't misunderstand me. I don't hate Anonymous. Some of the things they've done have actually been extremely worthwhile. But at the same time, the ends do NOT justify the means, and they HAVE hurt innocent people. This is why I don't support them, either.


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Meanwhile, Harry Reid (D-NV) has released a statement to say he's postponing next Tuesday's Senate vote on PIPA.

This is what democracy in action looks like.