Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 11/29/11

Possibly, but this is not an outfit for slinging guns



Looks like an old school playboy bunny

"Sorry bucko, but CoH and CoV are the same game." -BackAlleyBrawler
"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho

Not going to happen. Devs said that too many animated pieces (from many characters in the same area) take a toll of FPS. So, the stated policy is that a character can only have one animated costume piece at a time.

I won't deny that there are more practical outfits to sling guns in, but I suggest we cut the devs some slack fore purely the looks - real prostitutes wear much worse clothing. It just seems to me it's unnessarily harsh to call out such a thing.

>Toll on FPS
>Meanwhile iTrials

Actually, I think we now have the perfect French Maid outfit!

Well, your bit of clever wordplay there gave me a new idea for a toon concept. I could make a giggly airheaded slutty old west cathouse *****/barmaid named Ginger Ginslinger. I could put her in all sorts of inappropriate clothing for fighting, and hang around in Pocket D selling booze and myself for 50 inf.

Because the female 'old west' parts would be perfect for it.


Sarcastic grumbling aside, I should like to say that the quality of the work going into the parts (except the pre-tinting, which nobody likes) is not in question, at all. They did a great job in making the parts. The problem is the clear 'boys have this role, girls have this role' message. Nobody in the old west dressed like this unless they were a literal woman of 'negotiable affections'. Even if they'd wanted to go with thematically gender appropriate roles for the set, the female costume parts should've been *way* more conservative. But we've also been told that we don't get floor-length dresses, so of course, we just get to dress like literal whores.

I don't buy that. I thought the look was familiar, and I was somewhat right



Yes, it was a western, but in the movie, her character IS a prostitute.

"Sorry bucko, but CoH and CoV are the same game." -BackAlleyBrawler
"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Exactly, imagine how bad they would be if everyone's costume would take twice as much processing power.

You know what, forget it? I've my opinion and everyone else has theirs - forget the part where I thought there were people that though the same as I; apparantly there aren't any

Just state your opinion once and move on. All that needs to be done. Any more than that and things start turning into arguments and debates, with you developing a rep as "that guy" like a lot of other posters.

Well... yes it is.

I’ll start off with the ball that was dropped the hardest… the guns. Why oh why oh why? What are those misshapen super-sized puffy polygon children’s toys? As I stated in my initial post 90% of the DP weapon choices are already hideous (Although I did notice last night that additional work has gone into the S&W and the Steampunk Pistol – thank you for that) and this was the one costume set that oozes pistols – perhaps our last chance to see new pistols - this was a designers time to shine! I expected so much from this. It only hurts so much because we know they can do better (Navy Colt). From a design standpoint I find these completely silly and unusable. This is my one true impassioned gripe. The rest of my post is just chatter in the ominous shadow of poor gun designs.

Contrastly, costume updates are consistently the only thing that gets me to come back to the game after hiatus. Unfortunately this means it burns me twice as much when the anticipated costume set feels like rushed afterthoughts with no consideration for cross-gender, or more importantly cross-concept, compatibility.

Sorry to pile on, but this seems like a really odd desire to me as well. And I’m all about content and continuity and wanting things to make sense and fit in the universe I play in. But the big difference here is I don’t need someone else writing the backstory to “my” hero. I provide that, either in my head, via the in-game bio or occasionally on a bit of offline creative writing if I’m so inspired. This is to say I justify the costume I create – If I can’t then I wont pick those pieces. I don’t want any of that done for me and I want lots of “quality” (ahem) choices without any dev storyline management bottle neck.

There should be an endless closet of costume sets with zero explanation… and when the hero poofs into existence on the sprawling streets of paragon… it is up to he/she to tell us their story.

I have to agree with you on this. (A) Because it’s not a costume set and (B) because I can’t creatively make a German Shepard fit into any comic-book theme no matter how disparate whatsoever and I’d love to see the Dev’s try. That would be entertaining.

Wait… Those things are spurs?


At least the cow skulls can be turned off. What about those odd grand marshal circus parade slash band geek perma-gold rope thingies that CAN’T be turned off? Not making this pill easy to swallow for us are they.

I actually like the hair, but I've been begging for long hair with cowboy hat (any hat?) since beta, and in the interest of full disclosure I would pay good money to attend the pre-screening of "Rob Zombie's High Noon".


I’m still in awe. How do you fumble your easiest win the hardest?


You mean the natural claws that Werewolves, Spectral Terrors, etc have been using since forever and has been ingame for ages? Really, why can't devs just give us natural claws if they’re already there? :3

Devils advocate: Because the in-game NPC thug will never be subjected to a scale slider.


This also brings up the issue as well. I’ll never be able to hear that excuse the same way again.

The cockiest thing I’ll say here is that it seems to me if the Devs would just put 1/10th the QA/QC that I put into making a single costume in the creator - I think we'd be a little better off. I'm such a perfectionist (to a fault) with a silly little hobby… I just can't fathom releasing something like this from a professional standpoint. I truly think it’s that bad. Riddled with issues both buggy and creatively speaking.

Hold your cards we have a bingo! Congrats on nailing the exact photo the designers were working from. Well done Vega. Any chance you can figure out where on earth they got the idea for that coat with the rope things??

Ok… so play along with me for a second… maybe NCSoft has a pretty powerful firewall in place to keep these guys from slacking and google images is blocked from their desktops? Only excuse I can think of for missing the mark by this much.

Actually our first “super” heroes (in the US anyway) were cowboys. This genre then spurred (“spurred”… get it? Notice I didn’t say “gaudy fish-hooked”) some of the first “heroic” comic books, TV serials and film action stars. They even did innovative things like mix the western genre with Sci-fi… 80 years ago. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ioDuO4w-jI sometime. It can’t get more “super hero comic book” than that stuff.

I’ll spare you all of the somewhat contemporary examples of western figures in hero comics – but I think it’s very safe to say western themes nestle just as comfortably into the genre as the appropriate super hero science fiction and fantasy elements. And based on the response to this costume set in particular I think my sentiments may be echoed.

MORE COSTUME SPECIFICS…

Try slapping a high collar cape on the back of the gunslinger jacket for an extra special clipping party. Never got this with the Baron stuff.

Strictly on aesthetics… The female gloves are just horrible. What are those? I keep getting feelings like so many costume pieces and even auras are just quick filler throw-aways.

However by far the worse offending Costume issue (besides the pistols of course) has to be that the inside color of the buttcape is perma-black. Can some one else verify this? Maybe I was seeing things/red.

SEXIST

This is the comic book genre. The chicks are sexy and the dudes are swollen... that's why we're here. There was not some secret back door entrance in comics that any of you slipped through where the heroic girls are flat chested and wearing frumpy layers. And mind you I say this without even throwing Anime into the mix which is where it starts to get really kooky . However, a sexy female gunslinger with chaps is completely genre appropriate and will be horribly missed. Ugh.

In closing I think what saddens me the most is that I have thrown my two gunslinger hero characters (Six Gun Kid and Six Gun Girl on Pinnacle) from way-back in a holding pattern for months - waiting for the new gunslinger costume options before I started running them around for the world to see and spent hours looking at their backsides in possibly sub-par fashion glory. However having worked this costume set to death I am astonished to report that what I did with the pieces already available is better than anything I could do with what just came out and was meant specifically for my concept.

OUCH.

Just as a clarification, though, there is a world of difference between 'sexy' and 'slutty', and there have been hundreds of female comic characters who were sexy without looking like streetwalkers.

Speaking as a woman player, I cringe at a lot of the trampy female costume options in this game, and this latest costume pack is no exception. I'm not a prude, I'm married and have children of my own. If someone wants to dress their heroine as a saloon girl, that's cool. But for crying out loud, give us some options to NOT dress our Annie Oakley alts as saloon girls! That's all I'm saying.

It's just not a conservative genre when it comes to sex, power and fashion. Never really was.

So while our personal definitions of what is sexy vs slutty in the game... or in current pop culture for that matter... assuredly will never align, nor our individual thoughts on what was sexy vs. slutty in the early 19th century, one thing is for certain... our call for options and freedoms in the world's greatest costume creator is singular and sound.

If you buy the "Gunslinger Boots" then it unlocks both of them.

Good luck asking support for a 40 point refund though.

No but they're watched LOADS of anime.

rofl