Gender Equality in Costumes - A lack thereof

Well that's it for me folks. Have fun with this conversation. Once we get to the point where sexuality = prostitution I can't pretend to tread water.

Hmm.



Yup, they look similar. The point stands... Strumpet.

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Similar is all we require huh?



Well... I guess I must conclude this is a male stripper pack.

Actually, this looks more similar to the cowboy than the other picture does to the girl.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Where on Earth are you getting "sexuality = prostitution" from that?

"sexuality = prostitution" is different than "image intended to bring to mind someone who takes money for sex = prostitution".

That is a subjective point. the barbarian armor looked, as i mentioned earlier, close to what both xena wore as her regular costume and what red sonia wore in the 85 movie. I am well aware of what the foresworn looked like, i even mentioned them earlier in the thread (level 25 argonian destruction/restoration/alteration magic specialist, yo) and that also would have been one of a number of equally valid outfits but its a subjective question as to whether one is necessarily more evocative of a theme than another, at best one people can politely disagree on, not scream about in all caps, bleeped out profanity and an overuse of the word smegging. I'd have preferred a the martial arts pack contain the Chinese martial arts costumes i have been bugging for for nearly a decade now, but you dont see me losing my mind over a disagreement. I looked at what we got, adapted and made some pretty good stuff with what i got, i will do the same with gunslinger, male and female. In feedback it is a give and take and you are not always get exactly what you want because there are other perspectives involved, I'd love for them to drop everything and make me the alternate martial arts animations that i have been asking for since issue 16 (in the appropriate threads even), but its not just my call. the best you can do is give feedback in a constructive, non abusive fashion and work with what you get.

as for your point, you have jumped around a lot in your "point" the original post did complain specifically about the "sexy" option. in fact, rereading, your original post, you call the steampunk booster an "utter failure in design" now...is that your opinion, or is it that its "fine in the genre"? you seemed to have an extremely negative emotional reaction to it in the original post. I mean, we know there are going to be limited resources for each pack, as tex posted, MOST of them have been equal in gender(tech, science, mutant, beast, cot, natural, valkyie, and alpha and omega, as well as the idf and defense sets) with only magic, wedding, steam-punk, barbarian, and gunslinger being separate sets. and in the case of wedding, women got the male as well as exclusive pieces. I'm afraid i am really missing what caused the unholy rage from the original post. You are going to do this every time you subjectively think there may have been a better look for a costume than the one they went with?

And yet Fabio-esque characters keep making the covers of pulp romance novels.

Leaner male characters, larger eyes and "better faces" are cool with me, /signed. give us some korean pop-star hair, some of my guys would like some styling in their look. also the stuff foxlee said. some of my collegiate-academic male characters are a bit more bicep-enhanced than their concepts call for, i'll pull a reverse sam and call for less muscular options for males. my guy is in a power suit because he's kind of wimp, it fits dang it. eh, its silly to try to speak for what anybody wants in terms of an entire gender. that specific strip, in addition to using a strawman argument and poisoning the well by having a fat, poorly dressed, unkempt guy asking the question. it has a general point but makes it poorly and with about as much bad argumentation.

It IS a little slanted, isn't it.

Ask five random people what they like, and you'll get five different answers.

And thus, there's my vote for as many options as possible.

See, that reads less as disagreement and more an issue with me and my posting style.
Either way, this thread had the desired effect (surprisingly) and got both Dev attention AND an open discussion thread, so, ultimately, I consider it a win/win.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

In your perception perhaps. But I don't think that is *remotely* close to being the majority perception.

i was also giving you an opening to plug your skyrim character.

Though i really would like to hear about the steampunk set. its not a stylistic issue, its an issue with the feedback, one is clearly that the steampunk is bad, the other is that it is ok, good perhaps. thats not style, thats what the feedback actually means. and im not sure i'd consider it win/win, it was a hostile thread that got them to take the role of a abused shop clerk and ask us to clarify what the heck we actually want. i'm unsure how they won in this situation, they got abused, sworn at, called sexists and had their work thrown in their face, can they control their enthusiasm?

I call them as i see them, so you are sure their are no females in marketing? Because I tell you what Diet Coke especially at the time was aimed at women.

I bought the gunslinger pack mostly for the hat, cigero and female hair, the jacket is I think stupid looking! You want your female characters to wear that?

Listen to this guy!

Doom/Batman in 2012

The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!

I guess the Steampunk pack got pulled in for the 'lack of jacket freedom'-ness that got called up at the time and again later. I think it was also a case of 'We got corsets here and they were good, and yet we kept getting more'.

Honestly, the whole thread did run away quite spectacularly in the end.
But I still think it was justified. We have DONE the calm, polite and patient route a number of times before with player requests. Sometimes it's time to put down the harmony flute and placard and pick up a damn big hammer and start smashing stuff. If that analogy makes sense. My brain is due for it's dunking in detol sometime soon...

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

looks a bit like a brazen Strumpett to me and pretty dead on in terms of what we got (minus the historicly accurate cattle skulls on everything )



I suppose to make my point like you have I could find a picture with a female saloon worker who makes money on the side but has a heart of gold wearing less clothing or minus her top (aka the guy you posted without a shirt even though they come with jackets )

but im at least enjoying this new trend of shirtless cowboys

Oh, it's just a waitress costume and nothing more. Here's the updated version:





Go, go, City of HEROES!!!!

Is that really representative of your impression of the difference between the two costumes in the gunslinger pack?

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Yes.

Actual waitresses that were selling just food did not have an open front skirt. Were saloons so big that they had to run can-canning from table to kitchen?

I know it's tacky to say I'm done and then come back to a thread, so I'll eat whatever derision is thrown my way, but I have to say...

...I'm gay and would rather look at the girls than the guy.

Sexy females don't threaten me. <shrug> I know (and have dated) some guys who would feel threatened or maybe even grossed out by the second picture, but I don't consider demanding that women cover themselves up an uncontestable virtue.

The facts is, so far, no straight guy has actually come into this thread and said "I like these parts because I want to ogle my female toons." Despite repeated attempts to frame this discussion as trogolodytes versus women's libbers, the reality is most of the arguing has been between two parties that agree that women need freedom but disagree about that means specifically in terms of wardrobe.

They also didn't have superpowers. There's a certain amount of escapism in the game, including the costumes. I wouldn't actually advise picking a fight in a sleveless top and miniskirt either, but that's how my MA/SR is currently dressed. My DB scrapper is ten times the ***** the gunslinger female costume is. If the standard is the gunslinger costume is basically degrading compared to the male one, then by those standards I'm two feet in the gutter. The fact that I actually want a gunfighter female costume doesn't mean I think the actual one is flawed to the point of being degrading. If arguing against it implies that, I would rather accept the costume and the mismatch it encapsulates.