Female Mastermind Pets Suggestion
I love the design for female thugs. The Ninja looks good but I'm not thrilled about the black and white color scheme.
My primary MM is Merc/Dark and I'd love to see some female models for the set. As far as the dubious reasons for denying the players the option for female MM pets. I think a more eloquent way to solve the problem of "Pimp MMs having their female pets worship at their feet or whatever" would be to create the female models, and then put in a simple metric which gives each summoned pet a 50/50 chance of spawning as male or female. That way each MM will get some of each gender. I suppose anyone who wants to have their female pets worship at their feet might not be deterred by some of them being male, but at that point it's not a Male toon dominating all female pets and just a MM dominating a co-ed group of servants. Granted this doesn't give a player (male or female) the option to create an Amazon MM with all female pets or a Grrl Power Thugs MM, but it will at least fix the total sausage fest of the current MM pet configuration. |
And that idea of the random gender spawn sounds freakin AWESOME!
*Thinks until smoke starts coming out the ears*
Um....gender neutral names FTW?
But on the other side, it would kind of get rid of at least a few of the Devs arguments...then again so would actually allowing us to have the options to begin with.
Totally agree with your arguement.
Lets see this devs!
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This post is going to seem a bit OT for a moment; just bear with me, here.
Paragon Studios has a big freaking sexism, gender-confusion hang-up that I've been fighting out with them periodically for years.
Evidence? Try putting a "Mars" symbol on a female toon's chest. Try putting a "Venus" symbol on a male toon's chest. Go ahead, I'll wait...
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Back yet? Good. Now ask youself, how ridiculous is that? Want to know what response I get every time I ask about it or request this "bug" be fixed? None. Nothing. Not a word. But this little hang-up of theirs was the reason they were so slow to add the *gasp* gender-swapping option in the tailor. They've admitted to that much, at least, though I forget where; might have been at one of the Herocons, the Seattle M&G I was at over a year ago... it's been a while, but I was there at the time.
All this being said, as an avid MM player, I've wanted pet customization for a long time. ANY kind of pet customization. I understand that the resources may not be easily available, but if I can color-swap npc models in the AE (and I can), granting that ability, at least, shouldn't be too far out of reach. I personally have no feelings one way or the other specifically about female MM pets, but if you (collectively) want to see it happen, you're probably going to have to go after the root of the problem.
I've been trying to convince them that there IS such a thing as being TOO worried about offending someone. Here's to hoping other folks will help hold up the torch, so to speak.
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i personally have no feelings one way or the other specifically about female mm pets, but if you (collectively) want to see it happen, you're probably going to have to go after the root of the problem. I've been trying to convince them that there is such a thing as being too worried about offending someone. Here's to hoping other folks will help hold up the torch, so to speak. |
Evidence? Try putting a "Mars" symbol on a female toon's chest. Try putting a "Venus" symbol on a male toon's chest. Go ahead, I'll wait...
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I'm all for mastermind customisation of any sort. The "think of the children!" excuse is beginning to wear thin.
I can understand the reservation because of the potential for people to scream "OMG SEXISM!", but at the same time, the same could be said for the fact that a MM can only control males. (ex complaint: What, are females not good enough to work together with a MM? We can fight against them and defeat them, but we can't work with them?)
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I think the company was afraid that if they have female pets, then players would turn it into an "orgy" kind of thing by being surrounded by several "girls". Which makes me think they must feel it is alright for a female toon to be surrounded by several "guys" and she can have as much nasty role-playing as she wishes?
This is similar to how most people's reaction to female Teacher having sex with younger boys VS male Teacher having sex with younger girls. The male Teachers are always seen as more nasty and dirty. Female teachers get a free pass because well..they are just female.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
That...was a Herocon 09 exclusive easter egg. The powerset will not have doves associated with it.
Namely because you guys would want to color tint the damn doves, or make them hawks/ravens/flying sharks/etc and that's just a headache I do...not...want...to deal with. |
One thing I find funny when someone says "if we have female pets people will make pimp characters!" Well... what's to stop them from making pimp characters NOW? Plenty of pimps have male prostitutes. It's pure sexism to think that the only prostitutes out there are female just as it is to assume all thugs are male. Why is a pimp character more demeaning when the prostitutes are female than if they are male?
If I make a female MM named Dominatra and she's got male thugs for her primary and her description says she uses a special pheromone perfume to control her thugs and pimp them out, how is that ANY different from a male dominator named Dominatro with female thugs and an identical description? Why is one more offensive than the other?
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I support female pets.
I have a merc/poison mm, with neo-con theme. Having one or two of his soldiers female would make his army feel more Western World/American. Regarding look, I'm personally happy with costumes in the same fashion as their male counterparts, with color customization and adding a badge as chest detail. But I wouldn't object if more options are available.
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I don't see why the devs can't give us options similar to the weapon customization. Let us have a choice of looks appropriate to the mastermind primary.
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Another possibility: what if only female MM's could have female pets? Are they also afraid of lesbian orgies?
Another possibility: what if only female MM's could have female pets? Are they also afraid of lesbian orgies?
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In fact, even in real life, there are examples of this: Momar Qadafi (sp?) had female bodyguards which could easily be related to the Malta/Knives relationship. There are female presidents (or prime ministers) who are, no doubt, surrounded by male "secret service."
Honestly, if the devs are soooo concerned over what we might do, then why the heck do they allow us to create characters with the option of little clothing? Why do they give us an entire cut-scene that centers on Mother Mayhem and her very obviously large breast?!?!?
Seriously, if any devs or moderators happen to read this, just put aside the politically correct BS and let your masterminds have a decent amount of customization for the henchmen. It doesn't have to be as ellaborate as allowing us to go in and create a custom costume for each one (though that would certainly be awesome and make masterminds way more popular!). Why not give us a choice of options like you do with weapons? Certainly, there are models you could borrow that are already in the game.
Or, maybe you could open up a contest. Allow the player base to use the current costume creator and create designs. I am sure the players could make up some good looking henchmen.
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As an avid MM player I would be willing to start with being able to make choices between set minions. The Devs could make up say 6-8 choices for each pet (with some overlap of course) and the player could pick one. That way there would be no chance at doing anything out of control. It would be a step in the right direction at least.
As for the emote thing, I agree with the OP. I've seen female MMs with their male 'slaves' all kneeling around them bowing, saying all manner of things. If that's a problem then simply turn off the option for pets to do those emotes. Even better, forget about the 6 juveniles that MIGHT abuse the system and just deal with problems as they arise. We don't disable PMs because SOME players use it for ERP do we?
This game frequently gets gold stars and mad props for its costume creator and customizability. I think it's fair to expand this to Pets now.
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As for the emote thing, I agree with the OP. I've seen female MMs with their male 'slaves' all kneeling around them bowing, saying all manner of things. If that's a problem then simply turn off the option for pets to do those emotes. Even better, forget about the 6 juveniles that MIGHT abuse the system and just deal with problems as they arise. We don't disable PMs because SOME players use it for ERP do we?
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Long wanted female pets. (Though that word sounds wrong when speaking of females. . .) I hear the argument about pimping out every time this subject comes up and every time my reaction is "So what?" who really cares?
If sexism were an issue when why did they make the whole group of sexy female costumes in the gunslinger set? Or the super skimpy female barbarian costumes?
Seriously, who really cares?
I would love to see female alternatives for all of the current male pets. Along with customizable costumes of course! Otherwise why bother?
Obviously the answer is just to allow free-form pet customization like many MM's have been asking for since CoV came out. Their political reasons are a load of nonsense and obviously no one here buys any of that for a second. I've mentioned this elsewhere, but this is extra-true since the class went pay-for. Some limits would be fine, but giving them decent uniforms or whatever would go a long way toward making you feel like a real mastermind -- I mean, what comic book MM have you read about that doesn't have his own special uniforms for his goons?
Christ, the Monarch has custom uniforms for his goons even.
"Wait, the wings WORK? HOW COME NOBODY TELLS ME THESE THINGS?!?"
Of course no one will be able to make a Monarch inspired MM until the male model is given thigh high boots, and a reasonable crown option... but I digress.
On a more serious note. Yes, obviously many of us would love full pet customization for Masterminds. However, I think at least giving us a few different models to choose from (some of them female) would be a step in the right direction. Regardless of whether we get full customization or not, something needs to happen on this front.
To play Devil's Advocate here, wasn't the explanation at the Pummit about why pet customization wasn't something they could do a matter of resources? I don't know the specifics, but I believe it was something like how pets are roughly equal in terms of data size to PCs, and allowing everyone customization options would be a strain on resources or something to that effect?
I'm not opposed to the idea, personally (To make a pun about sexism I'd note the number of female MM PCs who use Thugs/Mercs and give them names or have a bio denoting how the pets are people they use/abuse! ) but my understanding was that the devs had a fairly understandable reason for not having it.
At least not yet.
To play Devil's Advocate here, wasn't the explanation at the Pummit about why pet customization wasn't something they could do a matter of resources? I don't know the specifics, but I believe it was something like how pets are roughly equal in terms of data size to PCs, and allowing everyone customization options would be a strain on resources or something to that effect?
I'm not opposed to the idea, personally (To make a pun about sexism I'd note the number of female MM PCs who use Thugs/Mercs and give them names or have a bio denoting how the pets are people they use/abuse! ) but my understanding was that the devs had a fairly understandable reason for not having it. At least not yet. |
When the devs claim there is a technical reason for not allowing total or near-total pet customization -- they are lying. Its a matter of work involved and nothing else. Its programming, the compiler will do what you tell it to and that is all there is to it. Its not a matter of database size -- if it is then upgrade the machine in question.
I've never looked into what language they are programming in or what sort of software they run their servers on, but ultimately it shouldn't be that important. The problem is that it is a fair amount of work -- and maybe thats understandable for some people... but then I do pay to play this game, and this feature has been asked after for literally years now.
They should just buckle down and get it over and done with. Basically, I'm saying -- Look, I'm willing to pay for it. Make it something we purchase from the market to cover the development costs and its a done deal, a system exists for that now so go ahead and use it. I'll buy it and be happy with it. I'll go this far even, I'd still pay for it if it cost twenty bucks. I'd pay for it if it cost ten bucks per MM toon. That, I think, would be worth the effort on their part to just go ahead and do it.
When the devs claim there is a technical reason for not allowing total or near-total pet customization -- they are lying. Its a matter of work involved and nothing else. Its programming, the compiler will do what you tell it to and that is all there is to it. Its not a matter of database size -- if it is then upgrade the machine in question.
I've never looked into what language they are programming in or what sort of software they run their servers on, but ultimately it shouldn't be that important. The problem is that it is a fair amount of work -- and maybe thats understandable for some people... but then I do pay to play this game, and this feature has been asked after for literally years now. They should just buckle down and get it over and done with. Basically, I'm saying -- Look, I'm willing to pay for it. Make it something we purchase from the market to cover the development costs and its a done deal, a system exists for that now so go ahead and use it. I'll buy it and be happy with it. I'll go this far even, I'd still pay for it if it cost twenty bucks. I'd pay for it if it cost ten bucks per MM toon. That, I think, would be worth the effort on their part to just go ahead and do it. |
Proof?
EDIT: My point is that its not impossible, its been asked after for years now, and I and probably others are willing to fork out the money for it. Its a business, they want money -- No problem! Give me the feature that I want and I'll give you money. Sounds fair, right?
Going off the male ninja outfit, I came up with this:
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I used the following:
Head: Ninja
Hair: Topknot
Top: Baggy 2
Gloves: Warrior (look like "rough leather" to me)
Belt: Circle of Thorns
Pants: Baggy Tucked in
Boots: Wrapped (also look like "rough leather")
I also decided to try a "sexy" version:
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I used the following:
Head: Ninja
Hair: Topknot
Top: Patent Leather
Gloves: Warrior
Belt: Circle of Thorns
Pants: Patent Leather
Boots: Flat Wrapped
I came up with this for Thugs:
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I used the following:
Head: Face 20 (I'm partial to that face on my females)
Hair: Shimmer (with teal and purple for a "punky" style)
Jacket: Biker
Sleeves: Retro
Shoulders: Small Tri-Spike
Top: Strapless
Gloves: Fingerless
Belt: Large Leather Eyelets
Pants: Basic Pants- Motorcycle Leathers
Boots: Combat
Oh, and for the sliders, I used these settings:
I was able to make them using current pieces I had available to me, and they weren't overly skimpy on the outfits. I based the ninja outfits off of the CoH ones, as well as the anime style, where the ponytail shows through the mask. For the thug look, I essentially went with the typical biker/punk female.
Any thoughts, comments? I will try coming up with some ideas for Mercs as well, and if you guys want, I can take a shot at female zombies
My primary MM is Merc/Dark and I'd love to see some female models for the set.
As far as the dubious reasons for denying the players the option for female MM pets. I think a more eloquent way to solve the problem of "Pimp MMs having their female pets worship at their feet or whatever" would be to create the female models, and then put in a simple metric which gives each summoned pet a 50/50 chance of spawning as male or female. That way each MM will get some of each gender. I suppose anyone who wants to have their female pets worship at their feet might not be deterred by some of them being male, but at that point it's not a Male toon dominating all female pets and just a MM dominating a co-ed group of servants. Granted this doesn't give a player (male or female) the option to create an Amazon MM with all female pets or a Grrl Power Thugs MM, but it will at least fix the total sausage fest of the current MM pet configuration.