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LOL. What proof do you have that it would cost a million bucks? You just made that up. You think programmers make that much?|
Originally Posted by Zemblanity
That you'll pay, and that you'll have 50 thousand friends willing to do the same to cover the hypothetical million bucks that marketing is demanding for such a venture.
If you had such proof, they'd do it. In a heartbeat. |
Anyway, if you don't want the feature then thats exactly the attitude to take.
Whatever.
Please let's not let this thread degrade into arguing....
I know that there was mention of server load issues with the MM pets, as well as with the vanity pets. And that was their main point for the total customization. If it's true or not, I don't know, but that was the answer they gave at the Pummit.
As for the needing of proof that the desire for Female pets, or even customization of pets is out there, I think that the numerous threads, as well as the panel jacking that happened at the Pummit, were pretty good hints....but unfortunately they keep falling behind certain excuses, and until they stop using them, and either provide a legit reason, or even a "we don't want to spend the time to do it", I am going to keep at them, and hopefully the rest of the people who responded to this thread will as well.
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I do want that feature, and if you couldn't tell I was joking you need a virtual beer. Here, drink up |
Originally Posted by Lewisite
LOL. What proof do you have that it would cost a million bucks? You just made that up. You think programmers make that much?
Anyway, if you don't want the feature then thats exactly the attitude to take. Whatever. |
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In case it wasn't obvious enough already, I'm all in favor of permitting pre-designed alternatives to the Pet Avatars we've got. Rather than giving us an AE Custom Critter interface to make the Alternate Pets with, instead we get a listing of the pre-designed choices when WE go to Facemaker/ICON/etc. to edit our own costumes and are looking at Power Animation Choices and looking at the Alternative Animations available to us. That certainly seems like the simplest and lowest risk option available for being able to implement Pet Variety.
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Originally Posted by Firemoth
I know that there was mention of server load issues with the MM pets, as well as with the vanity pets. And that was their main point for the total customization. If it's true or not, I don't know, but that was the answer they gave at the Pummit.
As for the needing of proof that the desire for Female pets, or even customization of pets is out there, I think that the numerous threads, as well as the panel jacking that happened at the Pummit, were pretty good hints....but unfortunately they keep falling behind certain excuses, and until they stop using them, and either provide a legit reason, or even a "we don't want to spend the time to do it", I am going to keep at them, and hopefully the rest of the people who responded to this thread will as well. |
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Ya got me :P I'll take that virtual beer, then. |
Originally Posted by Zemblanity
I do want that feature, and if you couldn't tell I was joking you need a virtual beer. Here, drink up
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Okay seriously after seeing that, that's what I want. Yeah, I'd make one, maybe two masterminds like that.
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
DAYDREAM . . .
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you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you <3
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I meant, I want proof of it's possibility.|
Originally Posted by Lewisite
Proof of what? That a programming language will do what you tell it to? A "technical reason" would be that they didn't make the code with much future proofing when they made the MM stuff in the first place. Thats just a matter of re-writing that code to be better. Maybe its a lot of work, but thats why I'm willing to fork out decent money for it.
EDIT: My point is that its not impossible, its been asked after for years now, and I and probably others are willing to fork out the money for it. Its a business, they want money -- No problem! Give me the feature that I want and I'll give you money. Sounds fair, right? |
You can tell program to do something and it will do it, unless it's not able to do it. City of Heroes is an /old/ game. There are things it can't do that you may think are possible in 2011, that were very much not in 2004.
So, proof?
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everything is possible.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
I meant, I want proof of it's possibility.
You can tell program to do something and it will do it, unless it's not able to do it. City of Heroes is an /old/ game. There are things it can't do that you may think are possible in 2011, that were very much not in 2004. So, proof? |
It's a matter of whether it's feasible or not.
you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you <3
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I don't think you have a firm grasp of the concepts here. When your talking about hardware then that is a valid question. But when you are talking about software -- there really isn't any hard limits. The only limits are what your hardware and your brain can do. |
Originally Posted by Reppu
I meant, I want proof of it's possibility.
You can tell program to do something and it will do it, unless it's not able to do it. City of Heroes is an /old/ game. There are things it can't do that you may think are possible in 2011, that were very much not in 2004. So, proof? |
They've already got plenty of similar stuff in the game so it being possible or not isn't really a question. You can do this kind of stuff in AE already. So it can be done.
The question is "is it worth NCSoft to make the effort". For free? Probably not unless the MM-class sells like hotcakes and it probably doesn't -- its the kind of class that some people really dig and others not so much. Thats why I'd say I'd be wiling to pay for it above my VIP subscription. Basically its an incredibly cool feature, but only a relative few players would use -- so they can charge whatever makes it worth their while and I'd probably pay it.
On the other hand, if its a "select your pets appearances from this list..." well, I'd still pay for it, but I'd grumble and wouldn't be willing to pay as much. It'd still be a massive improvement. But it might limit some character concepts -- like maybe I like Thugs powers and so forth, but I'd rather have a military theme.
The trick is to let NCSoft know that at least some MM players would find that acceptable -- which is why I'm posting really. We all know its a financial question (which is fine), I'm sure they'd give us everything in the universe if they could, but in the end its always about money... I want NCSoft to know that I have money for them if they have this feature for me. I like NCsoft. I have no problem giving them my entertainment dollars because its always been a good investment.
Nothing unreasonable there, its just unless they know this is a possible source of income they aren't going to do anything.
In that case, sign me up. I wouldn't object to a female mastermind set, or the option to customize current humanoid pets to be female.
"I have something to say! It's better to burn out then to fade away!"
Devs, the ones voicing almost to all votes against this idea are males.
Notice something?
ALL of us GIRL players are actually going forth with this and saying we WANT female pets. Enough of the chivalrous aptitude, enough of the '' repercussions are..'', enough of the excuses as to why you can't do it.
You want problems? Here's a whole meal for you to chew on:
I am offended that men players of this game can beat up women critters in PVE.
I am offended that men players can beat down women critters in PVP.
I am offended that women players can beat up men critters in PVE.
I am offended that women players can beat up men critters in PVP.
I am appalled and highly offended that men, or women get abducted in this game and you have to rescue them.
I am offended that there are emotes that can be used to suggest sexual themes in this game on both sexes.
I am offended that women are seen as the weaker side, and should be more sexy when it comes to a man's ideal. Furthermore, I am offended that we as girl players cannot (huge)max out our women for a supersize me edition.
I am offended that any player at any time can use the emote /smack (/slap) and call it a b---h slap. I am highly offended that a man in specific can throw up snow, call it powder, then in succession use /slap while screaming, '' Smack my b---h up! ''
I am offended that my female/male mastermind controls only men and then sends them into battle to beat on women.
I am offended.. Et cetera.. on and on..
Does that open your eyes? Those are all valid complaints I could be making daily, HOURLY if I so chose, filling up support ticket after support ticket. If I was a prude brown noser. But I'm not. I'm a chillax'd fem-gamer who likes to extend her claws for issues that really matter.
Not having female pets? That's just braindead. You would generate alot more business (believe me) that would NOT negatively impact the game. Trust us ladies, Devs, we're tired of the ''equality'' standoff. Hopefully David's little experiment about that gave you some insight that you'll use wisely. This is an issue that's been growing and if you do a search on it there's tons of threads requesting it.
IT is the MASS MAJORITY, not just the boards, but Gamers across the ENTIRE PLAYING GRID. Do your own field research (probably have), ALL servers, nearly all Players want a female option to MM's. If nothing else, because we UNDERSTAND the issues - preset names, use like suggested before other villains/hero groups and name them accordingly. Yes MM's are supposed to have control over that but if you give us female pets I really don't see us whining about name sakes.
You give us a moderated version we'll be cool with that. Trust me.
If worse comes to absolute worse and the Marketing/Company is adamament about this decision then why not open up pigg modifications on the user side only for MM's. Maybe give us the option to ''apply'' a model we want to see but no one else does. Still doesn't help the naming, I know, but how often do you see a male MM's pet with the name '' Tricked Out '' or '' Snookie? '' -
Second idea, if not on live servers then why not on Test/Beta only? If it's too uncomfortable to go on Live then I have no problems rolling a Beta/Test toon specifically for that reason and playing there. Yes we ( the players) fully would be and are aware that at any moment all forward progress made on said toon could be wiped out for whatever reason, but hey, that's life in the fast lane when compromise is on the horizon. Also, to quell your wandering thoughts, just cause I'm in a MMO doesn't mean I want to be teamed with a lot of players, and if I so do feel social I can just hop back to Live instead of chillaxing on Beta/Test. Food for thought, Devs.
Hopefully you take this thread into consideration, really soon, as in upcoming releases soon.
It's about time.
In short: /signed by another woman gamer.
P.S
Did I forget to mention I'm offended.....
(lol)
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Originally Posted by Lulipop
I am offended that there are emotes that can be used to suggest sexual themes in this game on both sexes.
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| Does that open your eyes? Those are all valid complaints I could be making daily, HOURLY if I so chose, filling up support ticket after support ticket. If I was a prude brown noser. But I'm not. I'm a chillax'd fem-gamer who likes to extend her claws for issues that really matter. |
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I'm offended that they don't think we are either A) mature enough or B) possess the functioning brains required to understand the basic rules and player etiquette!
I do not play MMs but I seconeded, thirded and infinite number /signed this for female MM pets.
Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
picturing female pet equivalent of gang war just in time for christmas shoppin.
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Now with more pepper spray acquired from Wal-Mart in the Food section! Don't leave your Base without it!
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Originally Posted by InsatiableOne
picturing female pet equivalent of gang war just in time for christmas shoppin.
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I think this is a decent idea. I could use it for a concept change on one of my MM's.
However, my reasoning isn't of the whiny -look at me, I'm offended- variety. It's a unique, dynamic change that will bring a very interesting element to the Mastermind AT. Simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Trip
I think this is a decent idea. I could use it for a concept change on one of my MM's.
However, my reasoning isn't of the whiny -look at me, I'm offended- variety. It's a unique, dynamic change that will bring a very interesting element to the Mastermind AT. Simple as that. |
I've personally always wanted them since I started, but being told two years in a row the same excuse, then watching other stuff that negates said excuse being released, kind of hit that one nerve in me that went "oh hell no"
I think a lot of the frustration on this whole issue is that the excuses don't seem particularly valid.
If its a programming issue, why can I do it in ae?
If its a pimps issue... Then that's incredibly sexist.
Honestly, its saying that women are fragile little things that need to be protected, a bizarre relic from the last few centuries. Women can join the army and go into combat, but they can't deal with a few immature kids? Do people really think like that still?
Even as a man its offensive, really, neither my mom or my sister are fragile weak creatures. They don't need anyone to protect them from obnoxious kids.
Besides, the tough but sexy lieutenant is classic.
If it really is a "people might make "pimps" issue" then man up, and police your servers...
Find the offensive toons, by playing the game, and watching for people with the offensive toons ACTING OFFENSIVELY and nerfbat them with the Generi-bat under the "don't be offensive" clause of the EULA.
The tools are all there. Don't limit other players creativity because one guy or gal might use those same tools to be an idiot. You didn't take options out during the great lawsuit debacle and you just stood up and started policing the population and asking us to police ourselves, do it again!
Give us the tools we ask for, no questions asked and let us have the game with the most toys. If it comes down to "is this sexist" question in development" then make two versions one that is questionable, one that is clearly not, and release both. We suddenly have more toys, and you have something to point those decrying your sexist decisions too...
"OOO it's sexist to have female Thugs" then YOU don't have to use them, use the male ones/Gun Nuns
"when i can savagely beat sheep while issuing ultimatums and torturing people, then i may go back into it" -vara nocturne
Not enough Evil...
I take it back NC SOFT is enough evil for anyone...
Female Pets for Masterminds becomes a VIP *only* perk.
Subscriptions increase.
Profit.
There must be something wrong with the formulation. Why can't I see it? 
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I can't see it either....Devs, where is the problem in this equation?
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
Female Pets for Masterminds becomes a VIP *only* perk.
Subscriptions increase. Profit. There must be something wrong with the formulation. Why can't I see it? |
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Originally Posted by plainguy
Playing devils advocate here.
What are the repercussions when a player named Pimpdaddy or Pimpsalot which would be okay for a single toon player as I have seen in the past, now makes one for a female based Mastermind. Or picks a adult entertainment type name and then names the pets similarly. As a side note I took on a slight offense to denoting that bad behavior is only seen on freedom server. I'm no fool and I know at the end of the day it is going to be hard for a player to fight against Devs or this game if they decided to change his name or his pets names even if he had a similar name on a non mastermind toon if they or someone else found it offensive. I don't see someone getting a lawyer or something, but I do think it would be a form of double standard allowing a blaster named Macdaddy but DaddyMac mastermind with female toons is not allowed. P.S. while posting this I logged in and reserved 2 names. Peter South and Peter of da North. Again just making a point. I find it great and dandy and have no issues with your request, but I do think you need to give valid way that might be acceptable to resolve these possible issues. You want them to give you something and then have them deal with the issues of what they gave you might cause. As much as I don't care about the Dev's I do agree this would be more work for them in what is now a F2P game. |
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Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
I am tossing in my vote of support- this is something that should be implemented. Like another poster said: if this game continues to bank on being the most customizable game ever, it makes no sense to limit the options of the playerbase because of the fear of fallout of indecency. In my opinion, this should have rolled out when the playerbase was introduced to the plethora of pets available via Lore.
Words to the wise aren't necessary- it's the stupid ones that need them.
"You're right...I forgot...being constantly at or the near the damage cap is a big turn off. Definitely not worth it."
- Vitality
If you had such proof, they'd do it. In a heartbeat.