Longer Bios


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Am I the only person that would like a longer bio than 1023 characters?

I was just wondering if this could be lengthened or if there is a reason why the space to write your bio is so short. I appreciate that there has to be a limit but 1023 characters isnt a lot.

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I don't know why you'd want a bio any longer than 1023 characters. Most people won't read it if you use up the 1023, let alone anymore.


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On the contrary, character bios can make a first impression even before actual player interaction. While customized costumes may be a more obvious form of display, the written word has a central role in this genre of gaming. MMOs that offer them are far more likely to bring together like-minded players, fostering better communities overall, than those that do not.
Yep. Though it may be true that, as Sam says, "It's all fan fiction no one cares about," it's also true that purple prose implies that the author thinks the reader should care about his not-so-special-snowflake character bio.

I'm not saying it's a deal breaker; I'd never avoid someone based on their bio, but in the Twitter-Facebook-every-random-person's-every-extraneous-thought-is-worthy-of-public-exposition age, I gotta say that it's hard not to feel a faint smidge of annoyance with the owner of the info window when I see a max-length wall of badly written text in the bio screen.

Then again some bios, long and short, are very well written. Maybe I'm just old and crotchety before my time. And more than a little hypocritical, because I've written more than my share of too-long posts on this forum.

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By contrast, characters I'd written a long time ago whose bios mostly come down to a dry description or a basic sequence of events rarely get much notice, even from people I directly ask to read them and give me an opinion. While I generally don't expect people to read my bios, what I want those who do to find in them is not information, but rather an emotion. At the end of the day, it's all fan fiction that no-one cares about. Unless you have an amazingly ground-breaking idea (and I rarely do), no-one cares about your backstory. I try to make something that leaves an impact, and will sacrifice plot points in order to achieve this.
I don't mean any insult here, but maybe you're just a better writer now? Some of us have been playing this game for over seven years. I know I used to write some really tedious crap compared to what I can come up with now. Again I mean this in the nicest way and am extrapolating from my own experience.

On the topic of the thread, yeah. The shorter, the better. It's been quite a few heroes since I last ran into the character limit and I don't think that's a bad thing.


 

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I actually have bound the 'I' key on my keyboard to bring up the information of whatever I'm targeting, as I read the Bio's of *everything*. The first thing I do when joining a new team is look at the information of everybody on a team, and if they have a bio, I will take the twenty seconds to consume what information you have decided to put there. Even if it's horrible and filled with cliche's, I will read it.

So yeah, there's at least ONE person in Paragon City reading your bio's.


As for whether or not the limit should be increased, I'd rather they just fix it so that it doesn't randomly add characters, stop typing, lose text, and generally annoy the ever lasting **** out of me when I'm trying to use it. 1024 characters is a lot more when you can actually USE all of them.


 

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I'm with the "Keep it shorter" crowd. You can do it without gutting what you're trying to say by sacrificing the unimportant things - really, I don't care that your character is supposed to be 5'5 1/2, etc, etc. If it's something that can't be done in game and is important, a quick description ("Has orange streak in hair" if that's what matters or is supposed to be "eye catching" or whatnot) is fine. I've seen THAT pulled out into a very tedious paragraph, though.

Write something that tells me the guts of your character. If you need to write a story, there are all sorts of free websites, blogs and the like you can fire up and do it in. Throw a link there.


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As a roleplayer, I have to say I find myself keeping Bios short, to the point, and often deliberately vague, which sounds odd until you consider that what's going in there is the public info that people would have heard. There's no reason that anyone IC would know the full backstory until they were told it IC, so I don't waste time typing it there. I mean, consider how long it sometimes takes to explain to people that no, your name is NOT floating above your head IC, trying to explain that no, all that backstory isn't actually available to anyone who isn't actually intimate with the character is an exercise in frustration.


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Keep it at its current limit. I don't care if you were "born a poor black child.." so you can leave that out. Just hit the highlights and keep the number of adjectives and adverbs down.

I've learned to be a better and more concise writer due to the limit. I use Notepad to reedit it as well as keep a longer bio if I want; and a couple of my characters are on VirtueVerse.


 

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I always use the bio to describe the character's "secret origin." It would be nice to have more space.


 

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Originally Posted by Lazarillo View Post
It also massively bloats the size, resulting in exponentially less that can be written in the first place. Extra spaces and line breaks take up considerably more room than normal characters.

Honestly, if that one fact were fixed, I wouldn't have too many gripes with the current allotted amount.
Seconded. I wouldn't mind having a 1023 character bio if I actually had 1023 characters.


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Playernotes gives you close to twice the amount of space. I duplicated the same paragraph until I ran out of space for comparison:
Except not all of us are Sam and some of us actually would like to share our stories with others.


 

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I like lengthy bios and I really hate to see a cool character concept only to open bio and see nothing or something stupid. The first thing that pops into my mind is; "what a waste".



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Teaser text with an option to click for the rest of the bio. It works for blogs rather nicely.


 

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Honestly, it's redefining the field size in the database -- not the end of the world here. Why anyone should protest such a request is beyond me, especially when it's "I don't want to read more". Frankly, giving people the opportunity to make the game more immersive should be encouraged and this is an easy way to do it.


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Yeah it's always a little disappointing to check someone's info and I'm immediately dropped to their power selections.

I'd at least like the double space thing fixed, I don't mind working with a small text block because I have to consider what details are the most important that I want to convey.

Then again, I don't give all my characters elaborate details/origins, sometimes it's just a for fun thing I'll slap in, though I will go back and edit in something more serious/detailed sometimes.


 

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So don't read it. What does your willingness to read my bio have to do with my desire to write it? Not everyone writes text to show it off. Some of us write text for ourselves. So if you don't want to read longer bios... Well, don't. I won't mind. So long as I can actually write it, I honestly don't give a toss who reads it.
I kninda said I wasn't going to read long bios

I just don't think the best use of database space is to double the amount of characters used for every character on the server. Especially since the devs don't seem so generous with increase the amount of database space for adding things to characters in the first place.

I like to write the occasional bio. But that's what I use Ouroportal for. We cans ave database space for more important things, IMPO.

As for player notes, they're saved locally on the client, where database space is not an issue.


 

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I like to write the occasional bio. But that's what I use Ouroportal for. We cans ave database space for more important things, IMPO.
Except some of us consider bios to be an important feature. I personally like clicking on interesting looking characters to check out their bios and I'm always disappointed when there's nothing there. I myself always give my characters a bio. They just don't feel complete without them.


 

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As usual, this suggestion gets rabbit's seal of approval.


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There's a case to be made for longer bios, but as many have pointed out, not everyone reads the longer ones.

Perhaps what could work would be an in game "extract" or short form of the bio, then a link to some web page where the longer form exists for those interested.

Sadly I doubt there's a cost benefit to Paragon Studios, but maybe that's something the team at Titan could think about?



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I read bios a LOT. Someone whose name or costume catches my eye. Teammates in a PUG whenever there's a lull in the action. In particular if a costume looks like something the player spent some time and effort putting together but doesn't "say" anything about the character just a short paragraph or two of bio will tie a concept together. I hang around Atlas looking at bios for incoming new characters (moreso if they have "Help Me!" tatooed above their heads) and if I find one I actually like I'll send them a tell that their effort has paid off, or even give them a fat enhancement they can sell for some early extra influence, even just a cheap rez inspiration is often welcome to newbies. I'd just fork over raw influence if the Trade Window weren't such an intrusion when all I want to do is GIVE IT AWAY. Unfortunately, these days you're lucky if 1 in 40 people has a bio and 1 in 40 of those has a bio of any real merit. Almost makes it the better to find a good one.


 

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If it is only for you and not for others to read, why would it need to be in the game at all? I also have bios for my characters that I don't care if anyone reads - so I don't bother typing them out and they stay in my head. What do you gain by typing out a bio and linking it to a character inside the game, if it is NOT there so others can read it?
It's there for me to read, and it's considerably easier to read it if I can access it from inside the game from any machine I have it installed on, rather than having to Alt-Tab (which occasionally crashes the game) and root through folders and subfolders to do it. I write these things and I read these things, and the convenience of simply typing /infoself as opposed to all the other more complex methods is important.

Or did you infer me saying I write these things, but never read them? My memory's not that good. Besides, I actually like my own writing.


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If you don't like reading long bios, or won't read a bio that scrolls. Then don't.

Let us enjoy our longer bios. People do appreciate longer ones as well as not.

Perhaps the Bio doesn't need extending, but let's have a "Backstory" Tab in the bio between Bio and Badges.

If you don't want to look in that tab, it'll never offend your TL;DR senses. For those of use that like to write and read longer pieces, we can look there.
This said it pretty clearly. Working in a small box isn't a challenge, it's a limitation, and one that is purely arbitrary to its establishment back in 2003/4. Do you think people will quit if they suddenly have MORE space in which to write a bio? Do I think YOU (and by this, I mean the people who are fighting the idea) will quit if it's done?

Answer me this. If it started at 2048 characters back in 2004, would we even be having this conversation? The bar would have shifted and have become the norm. Today, there would be people clamoring for more space, and people stating "I feel like writing while confined in 2K of letterspace speaks to my inner Kafka".

In the end, it would "change" nothing, except give people who wanted more text space what they wanted. As near as I can tell, that's a win/win for everyone.


 

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Yep. Though it may be true that, as Sam says, "It's all fan fiction no one cares about," it's also true that purple prose implies that the author thinks the reader should care about his not-so-special-snowflake character bio.
I disagree. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that this interpretation is both unfair and actually very rude. I hate a lot of things, but the thing that deserves a special place in the fires of hell is when people try to infer what I REALLY meant to say when I neither meant nor said anything of the sort. If you read one of my long bios and then suggest I wrote it because I believed I was important and you were expected to care, I would have many, many mean things to say about you. Being misquoted is my one single biggest berserk button, and implying what I meant with the structure of my bio is right up that alley.

I write long bios because I like writing long bios and because I enjoy writing long bios. If you infer otherwise, you infer wrong. In general, if you try to assume what people "meant" with anything other than what they said directly and in plain text, you're already wrong. Death of the author this ain't.

Moreover, as a writer of long texts, I'm more than well aware of how important it is to grab a potential reader right from the start, and do what I can incorporate this in my writing. Even if no-one else reads it, then at least when I go back and start reading, I will immediately remember why I wrote it and what I liked about it.

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I'm with the "Keep it shorter" crowd. You can do it without gutting what you're trying to say by sacrificing the unimportant things - really, I don't care that your character is supposed to be 5'5 1/2, etc, etc. If it's something that can't be done in game and is important, a quick description ("Has orange streak in hair" if that's what matters or is supposed to be "eye catching" or whatnot) is fine. I've seen THAT pulled out into a very tedious paragraph, though.
Not always. A character is made interesting by his or her backstory or personality. I mean no offence to whoever had those one-sentence bios upthread, but if I read that on a character (and I have), I'd just roll my eyes, think "Man, what a waste!" and leave. Granted, I'm the guy who makes bios for himself, but people in this thread have claimed to be writing them for others. So if you fail to put in the bio anything that's actually worth reading and, moreover, anything that impresses, then it's really not a bio that's worth reading, at least not to me. I'd sooner read two pages' worth of character background if it's actually good than read half a sentence trying to be witty.

When I plan my characters out, I give them complex backstories, with each event drawn up to be meaningful and having an impact on how this character has grown as a person. It is the sum total of these events and the character's reaction to them that makes this character who he or she is. If I skip too many of them, then I have nothing left worth writing about, because I've removed the character's soul and meaning, and I'm left with things that don't really matter. And I have a very hard time justifying the time invested in writing something that, as the game used to say, doesntmatter.

There's only so much you can cut from a character's bio until the only thing you can fit really doesn't say anything worth reading, and I've faced this problem before far too often to want to count.

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Write something that tells me the guts of your character. If you need to write a story, there are all sorts of free websites, blogs and the like you can fire up and do it in. Throw a link there.
"The guts" of my character is the hardships he has suffered and the life lessons he has taken home from them. No good character can be boiled down to JUST a single key event or JUST a single personal characteristic. In fact, I take it as a sign of depth when you just can't simplify the character like that.

Besides, I have and I do, and here's the rub - no-one reads stories on those websites, anyway. I'm not going to go ahead and effectively publish something if I know for a fact no-one cares and no-one's going to read.


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I just don't think the best use of database space is to double the amount of characters used for every character on the server. Especially since the devs don't seem so generous with increase the amount of database space for adding things to characters in the first place.
Then put it on the Market. I'd sooner have twice the Bio space than twice the costume slots or twice the number of builds.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.