New Dominator set?


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I doubt that this is the new set that they are talking about, but it could be. Just seems like a way to get War Witch into Praetoria, and give her sets roughly equivalent to what she was on Primal earth.


I'm still thinking that we'll be getting some sort of Dark Control/Dark Assault set, but maybe we'll get more than one, and Autumnal will be it.
Agreed - or Illusions but I'm pretty sure Dark is on the short list. GQ would love to have it!

EDITED - found out what the Serene Autumnal sets are. :P


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My logic isn't "assuming". It's a thoughtful logic. They created 3 new animations on Mastermind Dual Pistol. Two years later, they created Dual Pistol blast set.

Recently they created 3-4 (4 if you count the buff/pet one) new animations for Mastermind Whip attacks. It is very logical to believe that a Whip Assault/Control is in the works.

Maybe they do have Dual Wielding set in the future but the chance of seeing Whip before Autumnal (or whatever they want to call it) is extremely high and it's logical. I don't believe a Fire/Ice set is even in the works but I won't be against it if they release a new set with overlapping powers/theme. It is just not as "exciting".
I don't see a reason to believe a whip would be control based. I mean, all the powers with a whip right now are attacks. I'd see it as more of a "blast" set than a control or assault power.


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As Vauluur pointed out, we havnt seen or heard anything of this autumnal set except a picture of dual wield elemental swords, we can see it is different because it has new powers, but we still dont know what it looks like, or how it plays so your assumptions will only be just that.
nobody knows a thing and to clarify once again this whole thread is just based upon information found and see what the general consensus is on it, the information is there for you to accept or deny choice is yours but assuming is very foolish and we can only wait and see what the final word is with the devs, which at the end of the day is where the truth lies and the buck stops.
That's actually not what I said. While I agree that we don't know how it would play, what I said is actually the opposite. We do have a pretty good idea of what it would look like and how it would act based on the suspiciously good descriptions in the powers on the wiki.

Of course, in all probability these sets would have a mechanic in them that makes them play differently than the existing fire and ice sets. Besides the visual awesomeness of dual elemental swords.

Also, for those who are saying the would like to see a Swap Ammo or see a combination of elements beyond fire and ice, there's no reason to believe the set doesn't/wouldn't include those. As someone said a few posts above, there are only a few powers we know of in the set so far. For all we know, there is a Season Focus power or something to that effect.

The point is, there's no reason to believe that this isn't a viable possibility. BUT there isn't a reason to believe that this is the big surprise Dominators have been waiting for either. Right now, I'm merely suggesting that it is possible. Especially considering the custom icons and well written power descriptions that are focused on the user. If the description said "Serene has hit you with her swords!" or something, then I'd say it was just a couple signature powers she had. That's not what they say though.

PS: I've also just thought of War Witch's ask a dev from back around the launch of GR. IIRC, she said a major reason why Demons got produced when it did is that they needed it for Desdemona so it just made sense to give it to players as well. This could be a similar situation.


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My money is on Whip Assault and possibly Whip Control.

Why? Because I refuse to believe Dark Control/Assault take that much time to create and this Autumn set just looks like a fancy name for Plant control or fire/icy mix.

Only Whip animations will take that long to create. Mind you, they already created several new animations for Mastermind and it makes little sense to create something totally new when they already have those animations done.

They made dual pistol for MM first and then later introduced Dual Pistol Blast set. It's only logical. So the chance of it being Whip Control/Assault is as high as 80%. Mark my word!

(they could also introduce Dark Illusion by the time they have "time" for Dominator but it's unlikely Dominator gets 3 new sets at once)
I'd love to see Dark Illusion and Whip Assault. That's the ultimate combo for Goblin Queen (other than goblin Masterminds or Demon customization!). I'd love to see Dark Control and this Autumnal too though. Dare to dream we get all of the above and I can mix and match!


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I'd prefer Autumnal to be some sort of temperature, wind and plant based combination rather than fire and ice. If it's just generic fire and ice then "meh".
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I don't see a reason to believe a whip would be control based. I mean, all the powers with a whip right now are attacks. I'd see it as more of a "blast" set than a control or assault power.
The only fear I have in Whip Assault is "weapon draw". Dominator switches between primary and secondary all the time and I would hate it if it causes weapon draw. Making a Whip Control would make Whip/Whip a "natural" combo.

Somebody claimed Thorny Assault actually doesn't have weapon draw delay but I feel it does.


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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The only fear I have in Whip Assault is "weapon draw". Dominator switches between primary and secondary all the time and I would hate it if it causes weapon draw. Making a Whip Control would make Whip/Whip a "natural" combo.

Somebody claimed Thorny Assault actually doesn't have weapon draw delay but I feel it does.
Thorny Assault is a clone of Spines, in many ways. Spines has the old kind of weapon draw delay where it delays after each attack regardless of whether or not they are already out. The devs left it that way because it has so many secondary effects on the powers they couldn't justify giving it the faster attacks. I would expect Thorny Assault to have the same thing going on, but I could be wrong.


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What about Autumnal Melee...?


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What about Autumnal Melee...?
If that happens, I'm re-rolling my main character with a subtly different name so I can keep the one with all the badges on a dusty shelf someplace lol.


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they wouldnt just give a whole new set to a villain inspite of players, i can guarantee this is it.
You ever heard of Ghost Widow?


 

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You ever heard of Ghost Widow?
She doesn't have a whole set. She has the patron powers that are available to players. Though those were introduced an issue later.


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I don't see a reason to believe a whip would be control based. I mean, all the powers with a whip right now are attacks. I'd see it as more of a "blast" set than a control or assault power.
Except for the Hell on Earth animation; that might be capable of being repurposed into an attack as well too though if the animation can work on non-demons.

I think that a port of Whip would work well as either a Dom Assault set or a Blaster secondary set.


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Except for the Hell on Earth animation; that might be capable of being repurposed into an attack as well too though if the animation can work on non-demons.

I think that a port of Whip would work well as either a Dom Assault set or a Blaster secondary set.
There is 1 whip based control power in the game. It's just not available to players.

Praetorian Carnival Mistresses have a whip power that's a hold and uses the Hell On Earth animation.


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My money is on this specific set, i do believe your right tho maybe a dark control will pop up soon, however i like to think Autumnal will be it because its fresh new and sounds exciting
plus an assault set to go with it!

they wouldnt just give a whole new set to a villain inspite of players, i can guarantee this is it.
Have you looked at the powers she has? They aren't fresh or exciting at all really. They're 50% Fire Assault, 50% Ice Assault, one Ice Block / Incinerate combo and one Fire Sword / Ice Sword combo.

I really doubt the new Domi stuff is going to be this (if it is I'll be distinctly disappointed in the devs lack of imagination).


 

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Have you looked at the powers she has? They aren't fresh or exciting at all really. They're 50% Fire Assault, 50% Ice Assault, one Ice Block / Incinerate combo and one Fire Sword / Ice Sword combo.

I really doubt the new Domi stuff is going to be this (if it is I'll be distinctly disappointed in the devs lack of imagination).

i see your point there but as ive said previously we still dont know the final take on this, im merely just throwing balls of ideas to people and get a vibe going since i personally think this is "the" set the devs been hinting at for doms, just because someone said before she has a combo of fire and ice dont assume its a port, this could be an all new set wih different animations and such, i want people to bare in mind that also i could be wrong and will happily apoligise if i got everyones hopes up.


 

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i see your point there but as ive said previously we still dont know the final take on this, im merely just throwing balls of ideas to people and get a vibe going since i personally think this is "the" set the devs been hinting at for doms, just because someone said before she has a combo of fire and ice dont assume its a port, this could be an all new set wih different animations and such, i want people to bare in mind that also i could be wrong and will happily apoligise if i got everyones hopes up.
If this is a new set, it will likely have new animations. I don't think that that is what anyone is complaining about. I think it's more that it will just feel like a combination of existing sets, and not like a new one. I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask for a combination of ice/fire control set before. But I have seen plenty of people asking for a Dark Control set, or Dark Illusion. I know that I'd be heavily disappointed if the new set that we're told we're getting is just a combo of ice/fire effects.


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Autumnal sounds kinda dumb. I feel like there are already so many ways to combine fire and ice as a Dominator already. Ice/fire/fire, ice/fire/ice, fire/fire/ice, fire/ice/ice. Now dual wielding fire and ice looks neat. And since control sets are my thing, I will feel obligated to make one. But wow. Blah. Hate the name.

But even if I hate the set, I will buy it to support the game.

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Autumnal sounds kinda dumb. I feel like there are already so many ways to combine fire and ice as a Dominator already. Ice/fire/fire, ice/fire/ice, fire/fire/ice, fire/ice/ice. Now dual wielding fire and ice looks neat. And since control sets are my thing, I will feel obligated to make one. But wow. Blah. Hate the name.

But even if I hate the set, I will buy it to support the game.

Lewis
If it is just ice/fire combined that is dumb. But autumn means much more than that. even plant/ice is not quite it. Autumn is fall is the beginning of death. it's cold but not ice because that's winter. Definitely slow. It is aging. There's a lot they could do with autumn that is not fire/ice. And really, I don't see how fire fits in at all except visually when the leaves turn red/orange on trees.


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If it is just ice/fire combined that is dumb. But autumn means much more than that. even plant/ice is not quite it. Autumn is fall is the beginning of death. it's cold but not ice because that's winter. Definitely slow. It is aging. There's a lot they could do with autumn that is not fire/ice. And really, I don't see how fire fits in at all except visually when the leaves turn red/orange on trees.
Yeah, I hope it's something like this and not JUST ice and fire combined but rather the aging and changing of seasons thing. Not really sure how to pull that off in game mechanics though. Would have to give it some thought. The name is misleading to me if it'd just be Fire and Ice, even if it only ever remains a NPC "powerset".


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If it is just ice/fire combined that is dumb. But autumn means much more than that. even plant/ice is not quite it. Autumn is fall is the beginning of death. it's cold but not ice because that's winter. Definitely slow. It is aging. There's a lot they could do with autumn that is not fire/ice. And really, I don't see how fire fits in at all except visually when the leaves turn red/orange on trees.
Well, I do know that here in VA during some Autumns it can be super hot and we even have huge thunderstorms. Also we normally have hail here like crazy during this time of year. I would think of fall as mostly Plant and decay though with a little bit of fire and cold thrown in. So, kinda like poison but more like reducing a mobs HP or somethin'.



 

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I doubt "Autumnal Assault" is the new dom set. This is probably a set created uniquely for that character. That's been done before in the game (*See Ghost Widow, FrostFire, or Malaise).

This looks like the Praetorian version of War Witch, who hero side is an Fire/Ice blaster. Looks like they cobbled together some powers from those blast and control sets to give her a unique set.. nothing to see here folks move along. :-)


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I doubt "Autumnal Assault" is the new dom set. This is probably a set created uniquely for that character. That's been done before in the game (*See Ghost Widow, FrostFire, or Malaise).

This looks like the Praetorian version of War Witch, who hero side is an Fire/Ice blaster. Looks like they cobbled together some powers from those blast and control sets to give her a unique set.. nothing to see here folks move along. :-)

i can accept some form of "hey it could be a set put together" kind of response but in light of your comment, see previous..ghost widow and so forth, it has already been reiterated that ghost widows powers are just a fusion of dark and villain patron soul set, frostfire is a mish mash of fire and ice, and malaise, well ok you win that one lol but my whole point is the name, Autumnal, dont be mislead to think its JUST fire and ice, what happens in autumn? combination of nasty weather and as such could be implented into a powerset, yes unique sets do get handed to certain npcs in game, but as previously mentioned this has been used as a way to introduce new powersets into the game and could be a ploy aswell, so fingers crossed, i really would love to see this set and experience it for myself


 

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Well, I do know that here in VA during some Autumns it can be super hot and we even have huge thunderstorms. Also we normally have hail here like crazy during this time of year. I would think of fall as mostly Plant and decay though with a little bit of fire and cold thrown in. So, kinda like poison but more like reducing a mobs HP or somethin'.

basically that


 

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My bet:

Dark Illusion first (free set since Dom didn't get any since issue 21)

Whip Assault - cash item because the dev knows many people want to whip!

It really doesn't take long to create a Dark Illusion. All they need to do is to decide if the set needs to remain the focus on "pet controls" or adding more controls that can be affected by Domination. Once they made that decision, the rest should be easy.

Actually, the fact that they didn't port Illusion hints that they are leaning towards less pet controls, which kinda defeats the purpose of Illusion set, don't you think? It's like porting Super Strength to Stalker but without Rage. lol It's like why bother?


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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My bet:

Dark Illusion first (free set since Dom didn't get any since issue 21)

Whip Assault - cash item because the dev knows many people want to whip!

It really doesn't take long to create a Dark Illusion. All they need to do is to decide if the set needs to remain the focus on "pet controls" or adding more controls that can be affected by Domination. Once they made that decision, the rest should be easy.

Actually, the fact that they didn't port Illusion hints that they are leaning towards less pet controls, which kinda defeats the purpose of Illusion set, don't you think? It's like porting Super Strength to Stalker but without Rage. lol It's like why bother?

now this i can agree with aswell, it would be nice to see a port of dark with illusion, pets would be good but maybe less of tho just phantom army, or some combination, dark army? lol would definitly be overpowered however way we look at it, fire/dark corrupters are just phenomenal to play with so a dominator needs some kind of dark set, or any set ideally.