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Some of your statement is true, while all of the Characters you have listed have you uniquely created sets, one only one has a unique power and that is FrostFire, he can summon 2 imps and Jack Frost. However, Autumnal Assault has newly created powers like|
Originally Posted by RiverOcean
I doubt "Autumnal Assault" is the new dom set. This is probably a set created uniquely for that character. That's been done before in the game (*See Ghost Widow, FrostFire, or Malaise).
This looks like the Praetorian version of War Witch, who hero side is an Fire/Ice blaster. Looks like they cobbled together some powers from those blast and control sets to give her a unique set.. nothing to see here folks move along. :-) |
Antipodal Strike Melee, Extreme DMG(Fire/Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -SPD
You draw a blade of ice and a blade of flame, striking your target with both in quick succession. The fire blade deals fire and lethal damage and sets the target ablaze, while the intense chill of the ice blade deals cold and lethal damage and will slow a target's movement and attack speed.
Harvest Blades Melee, Moderate DMG(Fire/Cold), Minor DoT(Fire), -Recharge(Foe), -Speed(Foe, All)
You draw a blade of ice and a blade of flame and slash your target. The fire blade deals fire damage and sets the target ablaze, while the intense chill of the ice blade deals cold damage and will slow a target's movement and attack speed.
Autumnal Equinox Ranged, Superior DMG(Cold), Moderate DMG (Fire, DoT), Foe Hold, -SPD, -Recharge
Calling on the strength of the seasons, you concentrate both ice and fire on your target. The target is held in a block of ice and is unable to move while they cook inside the block.
That's 3 brand new powers.
Now I am not saying that, those are the sets that are being worked on, but I will say this much, before Shield Defense became an active set, we knew Cimerorans had them and the only power they had was Phalanx Fighting.
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Originally Posted by Da_Captain
Some of your statement is true, while all of the Characters you have listed have you uniquely created sets, one only one has a unique power and that is FrostFire, he can summon 2 imps and Jack Frost. However, Autumnal Assault has newly created powers like
Antipodal Strike Melee, Extreme DMG(Fire/Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -SPD You draw a blade of ice and a blade of flame, striking your target with both in quick succession. The fire blade deals fire and lethal damage and sets the target ablaze, while the intense chill of the ice blade deals cold and lethal damage and will slow a target's movement and attack speed. Harvest Blades Melee, Moderate DMG(Fire/Cold), Minor DoT(Fire), -Recharge(Foe), -Speed(Foe, All) You draw a blade of ice and a blade of flame and slash your target. The fire blade deals fire damage and sets the target ablaze, while the intense chill of the ice blade deals cold damage and will slow a target's movement and attack speed. Autumnal Equinox Ranged, Superior DMG(Cold), Moderate DMG (Fire, DoT), Foe Hold, -SPD, -Recharge Calling on the strength of the seasons, you concentrate both ice and fire on your target. The target is held in a block of ice and is unable to move while they cook inside the block. That's 3 brand new powers. Now I am not saying that, those are the sets that are being worked on, but I will say this much, before Shield Defense became an active set, we knew Cimerorans had them and the only power they had was Phalanx Fighting. |
key point to consider right there.
The way I see it is that signature characters have their own special powers, just like they have their own special costume pieces. Valkyrie gets her own powers, Synapse gets his own powers, Neuron, Battle Maiden, Anti-Matter, Fusion, Jane Temblor. It's nothing new. Signature character stuff will stay signature.
I doubt these powers even have any new animations; the fire and ice swords are taken from elsewhere, there's a Dual Blades set to take animations from, there are already ice and fire holds.
Also, Autumn is all about weather, temperature, ageing and death... Not swords made of fire and ice. I think it's yet another stupid, pointless, unneeded idea. To be honest, if this is what's in store for Dominators then I'd rather get nothing. More Fire and Ice is not needed, there's enough elemental stuff that making more is pointless unless it's something completely unique like Wind, Water or Dark. Apart from Dark, the sets that Dominators need the most are Natural or Tech-based Control and Assault sets.
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Originally Posted by Snowzone
The way I see it is that signature characters have their own special powers, just like they have their own special costume pieces. Valkyrie gets her own powers, Synapse gets his own powers, Neuron, Battle Maiden, Anti-Matter, Fusion, Jane Temblor. It's nothing new. Signature character stuff will stay signature.
I doubt these powers even have any new animations; the fire and ice swords are taken from elsewhere, there's a Dual Blades set to take animations from, there are already ice and fire holds. Also, Autumn is all about weather, temperature, ageing and death... Not swords made of fire and ice. I think it's yet another stupid, pointless, unneeded idea. To be honest, if this is what's in store for Dominators then I'd rather get nothing. More Fire and Ice is not needed, there's enough elemental stuff that making more is pointless unless it's something completely unique like Wind, Water or Dark. Apart from Dark, the sets that Dominators need the most are Natural or Tech-based Control and Assault sets. |
Thats fair enough, but we dont know much about it all so we will just have to see what the devs have in store.
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the sets that Dominators need the most are Natural or Tech-based Control and Assault sets.
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Originally Posted by Da_Captain
Some of your statement is true, while all of the Characters you have listed have you uniquely created sets, one only one has a unique power and that is FrostFire, he can summon 2 imps and Jack Frost. However, Autumnal Assault has newly created powers like
Antipodal Strike Melee, Extreme DMG(Fire/Cold/Lethal), Foe -Recharge, -SPD You draw a blade of ice and a blade of flame, striking your target with both in quick succession. The fire blade deals fire and lethal damage and sets the target ablaze, while the intense chill of the ice blade deals cold and lethal damage and will slow a target's movement and attack speed. Harvest Blades Melee, Moderate DMG(Fire/Cold), Minor DoT(Fire), -Recharge(Foe), -Speed(Foe, All) You draw a blade of ice and a blade of flame and slash your target. The fire blade deals fire damage and sets the target ablaze, while the intense chill of the ice blade deals cold damage and will slow a target's movement and attack speed. Autumnal Equinox Ranged, Superior DMG(Cold), Moderate DMG (Fire, DoT), Foe Hold, -SPD, -Recharge Calling on the strength of the seasons, you concentrate both ice and fire on your target. The target is held in a block of ice and is unable to move while they cook inside the block. That's 3 brand new powers. Now I am not saying that, those are the sets that are being worked on, but I will say this much, before Shield Defense became an active set, we knew Cimerorans had them and the only power they had was Phalanx Fighting. |
Most unique powers in the game have descriptions like: "Statesman can call upon the power of Zeus in time of need." and use recycled icons. In this case, the icon is the same as Lightning Bolt.
The Autumnal powers have new icons, with descriptions that don't say "Serene has hit you with blades of fire and ice!" but say "You draw a blade of ice and flame...." That is evidence enough for me that these sets will at some point be available to players.
Of course, it's very possible that Doms get Dark or Illusion for free and Autumnal is a premium set you have to purchase. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Guys, I just fought Serene for the first time as AV. She is really not that special. She still uses dual blade animation and throws ice blast and fire blast. Her control is actually Controller-like because I got "overpowered" once. lol
I really don't think there is going to be Autumnal set. The only thing different is the color for the swords: fire and ice.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by sypher_vendetta
now this i can agree with aswell, it would be nice to see a port of dark with illusion, pets would be good but maybe less of tho just phantom army, or some combination, dark army? lol would definitly be overpowered however way we look at it, fire/dark corrupters are just phenomenal to play with so a dominator needs some kind of dark set, or any set ideally.
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Some people had problem with Pain Domination because they specifically wanted "Empathy" which includes Fortitude.
I think we'll see a mix of pet controls and usual control powers. I anticipate that the stealth powers may be taken out. Phantom Army MUST stay in or else it's not an Illusion set IMO. I can care less what they do with Phantom and Spectral. Phantom Army must stay!
And any argument that Phantom Army is going to be overpowered on dominator will fail because Illusion/Rad and /Cold Controller can already solo an AV with it.
Besides "Illusion", what other themes is similar to "Illusion"? Or what is the opposite of Illusion? Assuming Pain Dominaton is the opposite of Empathy.
PS: By the way, Time Manipulation started out as Time Control but they created a buff/debuff/control in the end. So it's safe to say there won't be Time Control.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Vauluur
I was originally going to say that it was improbable, but looking at:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Talons...rceress_Serene It seems like her powers have player-based descriptions and unique icons. That implies that they may in fact be a new player set. After all, most enemies just use simple descriptions and copied icons for powers that aren't available to players. |
The new powers she has could be part of a new set, but I dont think there is enough info there to even imagine it.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Guys, I just fought Serene for the first time as AV. She is really not that special. She still uses dual blade animation and throws ice blast and fire blast. Her control is actually Controller-like because I got "overpowered" once. lol
I really don't think there is going to be Autumnal set. The only thing different is the color for the swords: fire and ice. |
My biggest issue with the idea of an "Autumnal" set/sets for doms is
1: Any Dominator primary should fairly enough be ported to Controllers
2: Even if it has plant and ice and fire and earth, it doesn't really fill an unfilled hole in the conceptual freedoms of Dominators and Controllers, which I feel is most important.
Right now what doms/trollers are missing are
1:"Natural/Gadgeteer/No Super-powers/Weapons based" concepts. Trollers can use traps, but they are still restricted in their primaries. Dominators have no such luck. I'd much rather see a "Gadgets" Controll set and some kind of weapon secondary such as a Combo of Guns and Martial arts(It would certainly be great to have a new option for dual-pistols users and a good answer to the people wanting a Martial Arts Secondary for blasters)
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im still adamant that autumnal is the new set, everyone is doom and gloom about this and to be quite honest it doesnt what anyone or me thinks, if devs put this set in they will put it in, so serene has a selection of powers to her will, do not forget that she has not got the FULL set and it could be be wind powers mixed in and other elemental suprises, as it is autumnal and that is the theme.
illusion is partly psi damage so porting some powers to dark would be a bit odd, if dark was being made for doms im sure that it would have quite a fairly new set of powers maybe one or two we are familiar with.
i personally wanna see some cosmic power something super godlike than a natural set, boring.
thats just my opinion though, im fairly certain that this will be the new set and some people who disagree or feel they will be dissapointed should just brace themselves incase i am right.
In all honesty Dominators should get more than one set because if my memory serves correct they are laggin slighty behind in the total number of set combinations ( think MM;s have the least )
I am expecting at least a Dark Control, Dark Assault set.
However I would like to see something that is new and unique to Dominators.. Let Controllers have illusion to themselves. I think some things should stay exclusive.. However I would like to see Dominators have something totally exclusive to them as well.
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My biggest issue with the idea of an "Autumnal" set/sets for doms is
1: Any Dominator primary should fairly enough be ported to Controllers 2: Even if it has plant and ice and fire and earth, it doesn't really fill an unfilled hole in the conceptual freedoms of Dominators and Controllers, which I feel is most important. Right now what doms/trollers are missing are 1:"Natural/Gadgeteer/No Super-powers/Weapons based" concepts. Trollers can use traps, but they are still restricted in their primaries. Dominators have no such luck. I'd much rather see a "Gadgets" Controll set and some kind of weapon secondary such as a Combo of Guns and Martial arts(It would certainly be great to have a new option for dual-pistols users and a good answer to the people wanting a Martial Arts Secondary for blasters) 2: Darkness |
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Originally Posted by sypher_vendetta
im still adamant that autumnal is the new set, everyone is doom and gloom about this and to be quite honest it doesnt what anyone or me thinks, if devs put this set in they will put it in, so serene has a selection of powers to her will, do not forget that she has not got the FULL set and it could be be wind powers mixed in and other elemental suprises, ....
, im fairly certain that this will be the new set and some people who disagree or feel they will be dissapointed should just brace themselves incase i am right. |
Ive never seen someone so certain about something with so little data to support it. She has 1 legitimately new power(fire/ice hold), and the rest are pulled from other sets. Her swords are just costume pieces for db with changed damage type. Everything else looks the same. Like others have mentioned, a fire/ice set (again you have NO reason to think more than fire/ice right now) sounds lazy and unnecessary.
Maybe you should wait for more info before you get so attached to an idea. I have never seen someone so certain that a whole set is coming out based on maybe 3 new powers.
The fact that she uses the Dual Blades animations hardly means this can't possibly be a new set. The power descriptions and icons still make me think this will be a set that is available for purchase. If someone can explain those, rather than focusing on "it doesn't fill a conceptual hole" then I might change my mind. Just because you don't like a set and it seems simlar to existing sets is not an acceptable argument against it being a possible new set. To be honest, I'm beginning to get sick of naysayers ignoring my repeated references to the icons and descriptions. Find evidence of a unique power an AV has that uses a description like these powers do. That will prove that the evidence for this being a new set is wrong. Saying "it's just a mish-mash of fire and ice and I want gadgets and dark" proves nothing.
That said, I fully expect to see dark, gadgets, or both for free. Probably in Issue 22. And I imagine that Autumnal will be available on the Market either with Titan Weapons, or with Issue 22. It's supposed to be a surprise, after all.
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Originally Posted by Vauluur
The fact that she uses the Dual Blades animations hardly means this can't possibly be a new set. The power descriptions and icons still make me think this will be a set that is available for purchase. If someone can explain those, rather than focusing on "it doesn't fill a conceptual hole" then I might change my mind. Just because you don't like a set and it seems simlar to existing sets is not an acceptable argument against it being a possible new set. To be honest, I'm beginning to get sick of naysayers ignoring my repeated references to the icons and descriptions. Find evidence of a unique power an AV has that uses a description like these powers do. That will prove that the evidence for this being a new set is wrong. Saying "it's just a mish-mash of fire and ice and I want gadgets and dark" proves nothing.
That said, I fully expect to see dark, gadgets, or both for free. Probably in Issue 22. And I imagine that Autumnal will be available on the Market either with Titan Weapons, or with Issue 22. It's supposed to be a surprise, after all. |
That assumption is dependent on the devs putting everything onto beta for us to see prior to releasing it. I think that's a dangerous assumption to make. Just because they have a beta server doesn't obligate them to put everything on it. It's entirely possible that they have been spending a significant amount of internal testing time on Autumnal to get it ready for a surprise release.
I'm just saying that right now the evidence for this being a new player set, small though it may be, is more significant than the evidence against it.
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With the current trend for unique animations and spectacular, new FX this "Autumnal" combination is an anomaly and would be insulting if it went on the market without anything special about it other than Fire, Ice and a misnomer.
As for power descriptions. Synaptic Strike doesn't mention Synapse in its description, some of Statesman's generic powers such as Jab and Hand Clap mention Statesman instead of 'you'. Can't check icons because CoHTitan is down (for me at least) yet again and the cached pages don't load pictures.
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Why? Why are you so certain that this is a new playable set?
Ive never seen someone so certain about something with so little data to support it. She has 1 legitimately new power(fire/ice hold), and the rest are pulled from other sets. Her swords are just costume pieces for db with changed damage type. Everything else looks the same. Like others have mentioned, a fire/ice set (again you have NO reason to think more than fire/ice right now) sounds lazy and unnecessary. Maybe you should wait for more info before you get so attached to an idea. I have never seen someone so certain that a whole set is coming out based on maybe 3 new powers. |
lazy and unnecessary?
hm last i recall i dont know who you are, never met you in my life.
now whos making assumptions? of other people aswell.
i simply am sticking to an idea, the fact that to me, all evidence given proves as much to me, just because you have your ideas and beliefs do not force them upon me nor give me any idea as to change my mind.
i just simply believe this is the new set, that is up to me to assume and up to me to facepalm if it isnt.
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Originally Posted by sypher_vendetta
lazy and unnecessary?
hm last i recall i dont know who you are, never met you in my life. now whos making assumptions? of other people aswell. i simply am sticking to an idea, the fact that to me, all evidence given proves as much to me, just because you have your ideas and beliefs do not force them upon me nor give me any idea as to change my mind. i just simply believe this is the new set, that is up to me to assume and up to me to facepalm if it isnt. |
Based on the evidence I've seen in this thread, I'm really thinking that this will not be the new set. And I'm really hoping it's not. If it is, I'll be severely disappointed.
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Yup. I can understand MM having the least # of primaries but I believe they have more secondary sets than Dominator. Anyway, I am usually not a fan of "quantity". Quality is what I want and "fairness" is what I care about. If every other core ATs got something new, Dominator should too. |
Originally Posted by Airhammer
In all honesty Dominators should get more than one set because if my memory serves correct they are laggin slighty behind in the total number of set combinations ( think MM;s have the least )
I am expecting at least a Dark Control, Dark Assault set. |
Anyway, I begin to feel we won't be seeing "Dark Control/Illusion". Think about it. We already have Dark support set that has a mix of controls. One can argue that /Dark started out as a "control" set but then later evolved to a support set. Much like /Time. It started out as a control set idea and then evolved into a Support set.
We already have plenty of /dark powers in the game. It is really not that hard to combine those powers and call it a "new set". The fact that we haven't seen it hints that we won't be seeing it at all.
I really think it's going to be a "natural" theme set. Whip Assault + something Natural Control. I think it's going to be Gadget/Chain control.
Dark Assault, on the other hand, is still highly possible. However, I still can't understand why they didn't create a Dark Assault right now. New animation just doesn't apply to Dark Assault because there are so many dark powers to choose from already. I mean the timing sounds perfect when Blaster got Dark/Dark. ugh... frustrating. Maybe we won't see any Dark/Dark combination.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
/dark assault seems like a no brainer to me, but I would think that if we were getting it we'd already have it. All of the powers and animations exist already, so it'd just be a matter of cobbling the dominator grab bag of powers together and throwing it on the market.
I personally am hoping for a light/illusion themed control set, although they'd have to rework the controller illusion substantially for it to really make sense for dominators.
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/dark assault seems like a no brainer to me, but I would think that if we were getting it we'd already have it. All of the powers and animations exist already, so it'd just be a matter of cobbling the dominator grab bag of powers together and throwing it on the market.
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The main excuse for Stalker not getting any proliferated primary set is due to the fact that Animation takes the longest time. Assassin Strike will require one different animation. Just one....
They threw in two "new sets" for Blaster. Dark Blast version is different and so is Dark Manipulation. Those two are just re-cycled sets *=(using mostly existing powers with no new animations).
I refuse to think it's harder to create a Dark Assault. All it is is a mix of range/melee and some controls. Da Da! I bet most people here can come up a Dark Assault within minutes.
So the fact that they didn't even have time for Dark Assault raises a question... why not? Maybe there's no Dark/Dark in the work.
I have to say I may get a bit annoyed if Dom ends up having a Dark Assault set that looks similar to Dark Manipulation. The first question in mind is "this takes more than 4-5 months to make?!" You kidding me? I've said it before, "Time" is only an issue if the priority is not right. They tried to say Stalker isn't getting Titan Weapon because time doesn't allow. Well, time is ONLY AN ISSUE if they try to work on another melee set before working on a new Dominator set. I refuse to think balancing a Dark Assault takes longer than testing for Titan Weapon which has new mechanics. So, all in all, Brute/Scrapper is just way more important than Dominator's needs but they don't want to admit. I specifically don't want to test titan weapon and don't care about it (I did test SJ on stalker) because this set shouldn't be created before dom gets something new first. I know I am in the minority here but oh well.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Dark Illusion first (free set since Dom didn't get any since issue 21)
Whip Assault - cash item because the dev knows many people want to whip!
It really doesn't take long to create a Dark Illusion. All they need to do is to decide if the set needs to remain the focus on "pet controls" or adding more controls that can be affected by Domination. Once they made that decision, the rest should be easy.
Actually, the fact that they didn't port Illusion hints that they are leaning towards less pet controls, which kinda defeats the purpose of Illusion set, don't you think? It's like porting Super Strength to Stalker but without Rage. lol It's like why bother?
Pet or petless, I want that set and Whip Assault. Needs it we do.
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