Why should VIPs pay for anything?

They added the second SSA that week too, actually.

People who fabricate other people's emotions or motivations are obviously standing on weak logical ground.

I never said I was quiting, I said I'd no longer be a subscriber. I had never intended to subscribe past my current sub, before I even subbed in the first place. I did it as a bridge to the f2p, nothing more.

It's not about what every single individual VIP wants. If it were, then while the system is fair for you, it's not fair for others, so your argument is moot. It's about what should or shouldn't be included with a subscription fee. I remember back when most sane people balked at the idea of paying 12 dollars a month for a subscription to any game. Heck this continued for years, even sometime past the grand success of WoW.

The mmorpg playerbase has truly become sheep, in contrast to what used to be demanded of mmorpg developers.

Yet, this is tangential, no one has really answered the topic question, because you can't. You are at a loss and have to revert to the same old tired arguments. But by all means, continue repeating them, quoting them, 'this'ing the quotes, etc. It's amusing, which is unfortunately all that rational topics like this can achieve.

Unfortunately, it's the game that will suffer in the longterm. We'll see how energetic the devs are in a few months when their overpriced items and low VIP population leave them back at square one, or worse.

Just because you don't like the answers and can't refute the facts arrayed against your position doesn't mean your question hasn't been answered. But please continue because we find your posts just as amusing as you find ours.

They are more appealing then Sea Monkeys!

... And this is a problem why exactly?

My subscription, as Arcanaville noted, is like five bucks a month. That's something like a new game every ten months. It's already crazy cheap. If there was an "everything included" Super-Duper-VIP subscription model, I'd be interested. But it should go for significantly more, IMHO.


As a side-note, I don't know if this is the intention behind the system, but I find that the Paragon Points system is actually, actively discouraging me from spending money on the market. Before, it was really easy to snatch up a rename token or a transfer token, or something. Now it's kinda a bother. 800 points? That's a lot. And I only have 300... meh, maybe later. Now, I only bother picking stuff form the market if it's something I REALLY want.

Heh...is it the points that make you say no, now? Because the server transfere and rename token was $10 before Freedom, so the price on them hasnt changed.

I'll try to answer in a way you might find acceptable:

The answer is as far as I can see, the devs aren't "crapping" on anyone. The company is simply investing much more into content production than they ever have before and thus needs to recoup those costs as well as make a profit. My subscription cost now has not gone up or down. But what I am getting from the subscription cost has increased though and my options for extras that aren't part of my subscription have vastly increased compared to before Freedom.

For example: I want Street Justice and a costume bundle but I don't have enough points right now and money was tight this month. But I will have enough points once my next stipend arrives. Those things I want are sort of like the old booster packs we paid extra for but now I can simply be patient and accrue points that come from subscription to save me any additional cash expenditure.

That's an example of something extra I am getting from my subscription now that I didn't have before. Prior to Freedom my subscription allowed me access to the game and paid for future development and maintenance of the servers. These things don't magically change when changing to a hybrid payment model. Those servers still need to be maintained and it costs money to do so. The change in model does not mean the devs are obligated to give every new "booster pack" away without cost to subscribers. Especially not at the pace at which they are now producing them.

This content is being produced at an incredible pace compared to before Freedom and thus there's a certain cost in development that must be recouped. That is why every little new thing cannot be given to subscribers for free. The company must not only recoup their investment but also make an acceptable level of profit to their share holders to justify the increased investment costs. The fact that the company is still producing content that comes included in the subscription at a similar pace to before the change in payment model is a testament to the value of the current subscription.

Basically the "booster pack" portion of the game development has been expanded dramatically. And "booster pack" style content has always cost extra even for subscribers. I hope that perspective answers your question.

Of course not, because obviously as sheeple we've been conditioned to blindly accept the payment for "booster pack" style content where if we really had any brains we'd demand it be included in our subscription fee. It obviously doesn't cost them any more money to produce the extra content and they're just laughing at us while rolling in money like Scrooge McDuck.

...

Seriously though while some people clearly find the amount of content we get for our $15 a month is entirely reasonable, others quite obviously don't. I don't really think that any amount of calm explanation, yelling or cajoling will be able to convince most people that the other side is right.

Heck, there's even a number of people out there that think that in no way should any form of entertainment cost money. That it's their personal right to pirate any form of entertainment they so choose and that any form of copyright protection is an infringement on their rights as a human being. I've seriously met people like that. I don't understand them.

You've failed to answer any of the reasonable questions put to you in response.

But hey, that's alright; I get you now. You're one of those people who's convinced that no one (except, of course, for you yourself) has a right to earn a living without being painted with the "evil corporation" brush -- one of those (sadly common) ersatz intellectuals who believe that somehow more labor does not equal more cost, and who can unashamedly point to price points years out of date and pretend that inflation doesn't exist.

Belittling those who disagree with you -- it's a two way street, leading nowhere. Carry on.

Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze Nice build

A lot of people think this point is wrong. I am going to math it up a bit when I get back can someone check my figures?

edit

OMG this is annoying how many new pistols came out with DP?

Why should VIPs pay for anything is a rational topic?




I'd like a timeframe for this prediction, so that we don't have you claiming to have predicted Freedom would be the demise of the game in 2031.

Baaaaaahhhh...
You heard it here first! Lasso Powerset confirmed!!
Baaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!

I mean, BAH!! Really!! I don't have enough points for the fireman's helmet AND Lasso Powerset!!!
BAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

The Electric-Knight ______ Malfaz _____ Zox'Oculox

@Zethustra

"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

www.pauldamonthomas.com - Original Music

Ok I quit...too much work I quit. Anyone who wants to claim we are being lied to and we pay more for less (or the same for less) please show your notes.

The good news: Second Measure told Black Scorpion to implement Shape-shifting.

The bad news: Second Measure doesn't enunciate well, and we're getting Sheep-shifting in I22.

Ewwww ewww eww no no no no AGHHHH MIND BLEACH MAKE THE IMAGE STOP!

1. Lamb Attack: Single Target, Minor Damage, minor chance to stun: You send a small Lamb forward to attack your foes, it isn't very effective but it is cute enough to be distracting.
2. Ewe Attack: Single Target, Moderate Damage, knockdown: A more powerful Ewe charges forward knocking down your foe and damaging him.
3. Explosive Sheep: Moderate damage, targeted aoe: You strap a bomb to one of your sheep and send it forward exploding it in the middle of your foes.
4. Ram Charge: Single Target, High Damage, knockback: A large Ram charges forward sending one of your foes flying.
5. Shepard's Crook: +Damage, +To Hit: You pull out your crook, allowing you to more effectively wrangle your sheep for a short period
6. Punt Lamb: High Damage, Pencil Cone, knockdown: You punt a lamb high into the air so that it lands behind your foes, the enraged mother Ewe charges forward to rescue it knocking down and trampling your foes in the process.
7. Ninja Sheep: High Damage Single Target Snipe: Your highly trained Ninja Sheep sneaks into position to attack your foes before they realize he is there. It takes him some time to get into position during which time any damage will cause him to break off the attack.
8. Cute Lamb: No Damage, Aoe Mag2 Stun: A particularly adorable Lamb wonders into the middle of your foes. High ranked enemies will ignore him but minions may end up becoming completly distracted.
9. Stampede: High damage, long range cone, knockdown: All of your sheep charge forward knocking down and trampling your foes in a single rush.

From this site, The subscription rate should be about $18 to have the same value as in 2004.

Note, I am not saying that we do get less for our money, just pointing out why we should get less for our money. the fact we don't is great :-)

hehe

Capslock is cruise control for SHEEP.

--NT

No, the reason we have not answered the question as stated is because it's a useless question. But, if you want a direct answer: Because NCSoft is a business and their goal is to make money. Anyone who does not feel their subscription is giving them acceptable value should stop subscribing.

Was it really necessary for someone to tell you the blatantly obvious?

As for why people "revert to the same old tired arguments", well, it's because the same old entitlement threads keep showing up again and again.