can't get Hero Merit out of SSA1 anymore
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Posted on: 2011-10-19 11:48 in Bug Report Forums
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if he has the hero alignment power, he has already done it once
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Originally Posted by Flower
This is actaully how it works. The first time you reaffirm your alignment you get 50 reward merits, the second time you do it you get an alignment merit.
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True, if he was on the defender where he earlier said he had the power then it is a bug for sure.
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
if he has the hero alignment power, he has already done it once
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That's not true. Let's say you turn off xp and simply run ouro arcs for merit rewards. A player can simply convert merit rewards + influence into alignment merits without ever running a tip mission or morality mission.|
Originally Posted by Flower
If you have not reaffirmed your alignment at least once you can not earn alignment merits so they now take away that ability from the SSA as well. Once you have reaffirmed your hero or villain alignment once you can earn them through the SSA or tips as you choose.
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I honestly believe this change has nothing to do with the alignment system per se and everything to do with stopping players from using low level alts for quick alignment merit/recipe gains.
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Yep, on the Defender that already had the alignment power.|
Originally Posted by Flower
True, if he was on the defender where he earlier said he had the power then it is a bug for sure.
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That is what is so screwy about it.
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Even after reaffirming morality i'm unable to claim the hero merit, so, not working as intended.
If the intent is to make players grind out more tip missions i'll just skip on the SSA's.
To have to do a full round of tips on all of my characters would take much longer than it would be worth it in the time spent.
This is a very sloppy change devs. Seriously how the hell could you just not make the system check to see if you have going rogue or something else. Making us do this first without first lowering the level for tip missions is just stupid.
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Looks like everyone got reverted to "no alignment", and the first time you run a Morality it won't be to reinforce it. Heroes/Villains will get 50 Reward Merits instead of 1 A-Merit. Vigilantes/Rogues will get 30 Reward Merits instead of 60 Reward Merits. Basically, looks like everyone has to reaffirm their alignments no matter what when they implemented the change to get A-Merits from the SSAs.
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This is a bunch of crap. The only incentive to do these missions was for the A merit or rewards. The missions themselves are lame and not a lot of fun. Ah well...I guess I won't be running these too often. Way to screw us over, yet again.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
This was in this morning's patch notes. Not a bug, unfortunately, but an intended change.
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No. It just means you have to be a Hero or Villain already and then do ONE Hero or Villain Morality Mission.|
Originally Posted by Papaschtroumpf
Actually, does "reaffirming" include waiting a week to get the hero power?
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If you've already been doing them and have earned Alignment Merits or the first time Reward Merit bonus, then you should be good to go.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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yeah, I retract what I thought it was happening in my previous post, everything seems to be normal. I've just ran a few missions and everything looks fine.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
No. It just means you have to be a Hero or Villain already and then do ONE Hero or Villain Morality Mission.
If you've already been doing them and have earned Alignment Merits or the first time Reward Merit bonus, then you should be good to go. |
Changing, Affirming, and Reinforcing your moralityis 3 different things. So it's like what Chad said here. That means for a new character, at level 20 he will have to run 10 tips, one morality to affirm, 10 tips, 1 morality to reinforce and then he will be able to get Alignment Merits from the SSAs.
Assuming you want to change Alignement, lets say Hero to Villain. It would be 10 Vig tips; 1 Vig Morality to change to Vigilante; 10 Vil tips; 1 Vil Morality to change to Villain; 10 Vil tips; 1 Vil Morality to affirm Villain (and getting 50 Reward Merits); 10 Vil tips; 1 Vil Morality to reinforce Villain (and getting 1 Villain Merit). At that point, you can start getting Villain Merit from SSAs
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Maybe not...|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
No. It just means you have to be a Hero or Villain already and then do ONE Hero or Villain Morality Mission.
If you've already been doing them and have earned Alignment Merits or the first time Reward Merit bonus, then you should be good to go. |
On Zombie Man, who has the Hero Alignment Power, I just did a Hero Morality mission... and got 50 Merits. I'll be able to see if in two days, if I reaffirm Hero if I'll get the A-Merit.
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To clarify on what my status was.
I already had 5 hero missions done, did another 5, got the morality mission to reaffirm my alignment.
Proceeded to do the 1st part of the SSA, and the system told me i was ineligible needing to re-affirm my alignment.
It appears a full set of 10 tip missions and a morality mission must be run to be recongnized by the system, which as i posted above, is not worth my time to bother with the SSA's if these are the steps needed to get the alignment merits.
So, since this isn't a bug, where do we go to offer negative feedback?
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Man, that's a load of crap. It's not a cool change period, and it definitely not something that should have had no patch note.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Maybe not...
On Zombie Man, who has the Hero Alignment Power, I just did a Hero Morality mission... and got 50 Merits. I'll be able to see if in two days, if I reaffirm Hero if I'll get the A-Merit. |
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You don't have to reaffirm to get the power. You get it automatically a week after switching to Hero alignment (which gives you the "Countdown to Justice" power or whatever it's called). My main has the power, and I certainly haven't done a Morality Mission since I swapped sides to get the new i21 villain badges.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Maybe not...
On Zombie Man, who has the Hero Alignment Power, I just did a Hero Morality mission... and got 50 Merits. I'll be able to see if in two days, if I reaffirm Hero if I'll get the A-Merit. |
They're just making it so you remain ineligible to earn Alignment Merits if you have not reaffirmed your alignment... the same prerequisite for earning the rewards from Morality Missions.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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boooooooooooooooooooooooooo devs.... totally bogus unnecessary change..
This I do not like AT ALL....
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Maybe not...
On Zombie Man, who has the Hero Alignment Power, I just did a Hero Morality mission... and got 50 Merits. I'll be able to see if in two days, if I reaffirm Hero if I'll get the A-Merit. |
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
You don't have to reaffirm to get the power. You get it automatically a week after switching to Hero alignment (which gives you the "Countdown to Justice" power or whatever it's called). My main has the power, and I certainly haven't done a Morality Mission since I swapped sides to get the new i21 villain badges.
They're just making it so you remain ineligible to earn Alignment Merits if you have not reaffirmed your alignment... the same prerequisite for earning the rewards from Morality Missions. |
Someone who has already done a morality mission and who also has the alignment power SHOULD NOT get reward merits...they should get ALIGNMENT merits.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
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It's as if everyone, with regard to Alignment Merits, has been factory reset to default status before the Alignment System was put in place.
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From the other thread:
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Originally Posted by MallardDuck
Support told me you have to run 10 tip missions + morality mission to become a hero/villain and then an additional 10 tip missions + morality mission to "reinforce" the alignment before you will be able to get an A-merit now from the SSA.
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Maybe they should spend less time playing Rock Band and more time learning how their product works.
While I'm not happy about this change, I can understand why they did it.
I'm not happy because, they just removed a very profitable routine from me, right as I was getting into the swing of it.
I spent last week running the 2 SSA's twice each on 23 characters, some I hadn't logged in in years. Needless to say, the LoTG's make me smile every time they sell!
My method going forward, was to run the SSA1 on any new toon when they hit 14. That way I'd already have 2 AMerits sitting there waiting to be cashed in. Then at 20 I'd run SSA2 and make a quick trip to Trident, thus ensuring they have a nice nest egg.
Now, I'm not sure I'll bother with the arcs until after 20. 22 merits is nice and all but not as enticing as the A-merit.
(Also very unhappy about the apparent 'Reset to default for all' this has caused, I got a morality a few nights ago, was about to run it but decided to wait until a friend joined me. Now I've lost out on that A-Merit apparently...)
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A dev response on this would be nice.
Since its apparently bugged to all hell.
Its definatly bugged, just did it on a character who is hero morality, with call to justice and everything and no hero merit.
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It basically sounds like, as someone else mentioned, that they reset everyone's alignment status so you have to spend FOUR days not two doing tips. First morality to get the 50 merits and a second morality to reinforce and get the alignment merit.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
It basically sounds like, as someone else mentioned, that they reset everyone's alignment status so you have to spend FOUR days not two doing tips. First morality to get the 50 merits and a second morality to reinforce and get the alignment merit.
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One can only assume it's a bug and thus sloppy development and QA which has cause this (which is bad enough). The alternative explanation, that it was deliberately done to allow this change to the SSAs would be epically dumb.
That shouldn't be possible, since this character already has the Hero alignment power?
If you are going to award alignment merits then you should simply require the character to be of the appropriate alignment and have access to the alignment system.
I have a feeling the reason for this change has less to do with having access to the alignment system and more to do with slowing down our acquisition of alignment merits via the SSA.