can't get Hero Merit out of SSA1 anymore
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-10-19 11:48 in Bug Report Forums
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To be fair it would make sense. The first time you run the morality mission you don't recive a alignment merit only after the 2nd morality mission.|
Originally Posted by Brillig
From the other thread:
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Maybe they should spend less time playing Rock Band and more time learning how their product works. |
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
It basically sounds like, as someone else mentioned, that they reset everyone's alignment status so you have to spend FOUR days not two doing tips. First morality to get the 50 merits and a second morality to reinforce and get the alignment merit.
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Well thats a relief at least
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Originally Posted by darksilver_NA
No reset, 5 runs today after the patch with chars that did the morailty missions many times in the past, all recived the hero/villian merit.
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Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
Now I'm confused though, I'm not doubting darksilver, just wondering if he is an exception some how.
Everyone else seems to be reporting the opposite, not being able to claim A-Merits on toons that have affirmed their alignment numerous times in the past.
I'd pop on here in an hour when I get home and run SSA1 right quick (I've got it down to 11 minutes) just to find out, alas it's Thursday.
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While I'd rather they put it back to something sensible, this is the least they could do. It would still slightly slow people making new alts to get 2 merits, but would allow me to play SSA 1 at proper level and not get screwed on the rewards.
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Originally Posted by Ilua
This update has left a sour taste in my mouth, as i can see it has with many others. They cud of at least, reduced what level u can start doing tips and make it level 10, rather than 20.. so u can do tips and then actually get the A-merits from the SSAs...
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Bah I am surely not an exception. If I would, I could play with titan weapons on test but... |
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Now I'm confused though, I'm not doubting darksilver, just wondering if he is an exception some how.
Everyone else seems to be reporting the opposite, not being able to claim A-Merits on toons that have affirmed their alignment numerous times in the past. I'd pop on here in an hour when I get home and run SSA1 right quick (I've got it down to 11 minutes) just to find out, alas it's Thursday. |
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Basically, yes. It's a game-wide factory reset. For everyone complaining, to be perfectly honest it is INFINITELY easier to simply do a game-wide sweep rather than pick through individual player accounts to see who qualifies and who doesn't.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
It's as if everyone, with regard to Alignment Merits, has been factory reset to default status before the Alignment System was put in place.
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Besides, 50 merits isn't a terrible thing and if you were someone who was really into farming for tips for AMerits this isn't going to put a huge dent in your schedule, simply set it back a day or two.
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Doing it without regard for or warning to the player base in general is shoddy and rather laughable.|
Originally Posted by Issen
Basically, yes. It's a game-wide factory reset. For everyone complaining, to be perfectly honest it is INFINITELY easier to simply do a game-wide sweep rather than pick through individual player accounts to see who qualifies and who doesn't.
Besides, 50 merits isn't a terrible thing and if you were someone who was really into farming for tips for AMerits this isn't going to put a huge dent in your schedule, simply set it back a day or two. |
I was assuming it would have to be an unforeseen bug, because the alternative is just too daft for words.
This is really confusing. We ran two villains through SSA 1.2 for the first time on those toons. Both had frenzy, i.e. reaffirmed at some point their villain status and both got villain merits, which is what I was expecting. I don't see anything we did different from what some of you have posted, except that it was maybe the first run on those toons. We only had time for the one run so I don't know if we'd've gotten the timer driven one (timer wasn't triggered on those two).
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I'm with darksilver on this - it's not a global morality reset. I just ran 10 characters through & 8 had the option to get hero/villain merits.
The 8 that were able to get the A-Merit have their alignment power & have gotten A-Merits before. Of the other 2 characters, one just switched to villain & hasn't run a second morality mission to unlock A-Merits (but does have frenzy) & the other character has never run any tips (but was able to get A-Merits before the new patch - still has 3 Villain Merits from earlier runs.)
I've run through SSA missions several times since Tuesday's patch and was able to choose Alignment Merits.
The devs giving out AMerits for running a 3 mission arc was insane in the first place. 1 A merit is worth 100 reward merits (standardized with 5 random rolls). 100 reward merits is worth about 3 hours of non bonus TF content and probably about 10 hours of solo content.
With the SSA the devs gave us a 10 minute soloable arc that on a new level 10 toon could get you 2 Amerits = 200 reward merits = 20 hours worth of solo content rewards once. If you got that toon up to level 17 you could roll a miracle +recovery with those 2 amerits and email that reward to another toon. Every currency in this game is convertable to inf if you are smart about it.
If I was in charge of closing this exploit I would have said no more Amerits on SSAs ever. The 22 reward merits is still a crazy good reward for the amount of time invested in running the SSA.
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I don't think people would be (as) bothered if they had|
Originally Posted by Issen
Basically, yes. It's a game-wide factory reset. For everyone complaining, to be perfectly honest it is INFINITELY easier to simply do a game-wide sweep rather than pick through individual player accounts to see who qualifies and who doesn't.
Besides, 50 merits isn't a terrible thing and if you were someone who was really into farming for tips for AMerits this isn't going to put a huge dent in your schedule, simply set it back a day or two. |
A) Announced the reset before it happened (they wouldn't even have to say why, just say "technical reasons require a reset of the alignment system")
B) Put the reset IN THE PATCH NOTES
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Originally Posted by Dispari
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I would be much less confused if it was at least consistent. I have had several characters complete SSAs and get A-merits, and a few who got the message about needing to "reaffirm". One of those made sense as a level 20 scrapper, but the other two were both level 50s with the alignment power.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I don't think people would be (as) bothered if they had
A) Announced the reset before it happened (they wouldn't even have to say why, just say "technical reasons require a reset of the alignment system") B) Put the reset IN THE PATCH NOTES |
So rather than knowing exactly how it works, we have people fighting and calling each other names, and arguing, because it quite simply isn't working as advertised.
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That would require that they actually understand what they're releasing.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I don't think people would be (as) bothered if they had
A) Announced the reset before it happened (they wouldn't even have to say why, just say "technical reasons require a reset of the alignment system") B) Put the reset IN THE PATCH NOTES |
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Nail on head there sir.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
That would require that they actually understand what they're releasing.
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So in other words, if they had put more effort into the actual signature story arcs that they expect people to pay for, this never would've been a problem in the first place?
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Originally Posted by Mephe
The devs giving out AMerits for running a 3 mission arc was insane in the first place.
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We know that to currently get 1 Amerit it takes 10 tips plus 1 MM. So if each SSA was 11 missions long and could only be done once every 2 days then yeah it should be worth 1 A merit.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
So in other words, if they had put more effort into the actual signature story arcs that they expect people to pay for, this never would've been a problem in the first place?
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But thats probably much more work than they had figured on doing for each SSA. So its much easier to nerf the reward.
Anyway speaking messed up rewards is it me or does the Limkin EB give AV level xp? I am thinking of farming that mission for toons that have high single target DPS.
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And the SSA can only be run for the merit once per week.|
Originally Posted by Mephe
The devs giving out AMerits for running a 3 mission arc was insane in the first place. 1 A merit is worth 100 reward merits (standardized with 5 random rolls). 100 reward merits is worth about 3 hours of non bonus TF content and probably about 10 hours of solo content.
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That's the tradeoff. The hours invested per merit is less, but the number you can acquire over a given period of time is fewer.
That 3 hours of TF content you can run 4 times a day 7 days a week. Even at 6 times the man hours invested, you could earn more merits in 2 days than AMs from SSA in a week.
It's no different than offering one option where people can trade 10 shards for 5 threads and another offering 10 for 10. If you are willing to wait, you get a better ratio. Likewise, if you're willing to wait a week, you get a better time to AM ratio.
It's tortoise vs hare, only they decided to chop the tortoise's back legs off and throw him in a pile of dog crap before the race began.
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I think it's a fair enough assumption that the devs want to lock the A-merits behind "level 20 and have done a morality mission", since that's where it was locked behind to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
Not for nothing but this seems to break the SSA system for anyone who isn't level 20+ and hasn't done any tip missions yet.
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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unless, of course, you have 50 hero merits and 20 million... no tip missions required
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Originally Posted by ArcticFahx
I think it's a fair enough assumption that the devs want to lock the A-merits behind "level 20 and have done a morality mission", since that's where it was locked behind to begin with.
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This update has left a sour taste in my mouth, as i can see it has with many others. They cud of at least, reduced what level u can start doing tips and make it level 10, rather than 20.. so u can do tips and then actually get the A-merits from the SSAs...