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Posted on: 2011-10-13 18:06 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I like how it has the same head and tail that comes with the animal pack.
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Yeah, it blends well, and gives more realism to both the animals and the human-animal hybrids, rather than making a separate style of head and tail for each one.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
I like how it has the same head and tail that comes with the animal pack.
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Animal Masterminds? I was hoping for a Lycanthrope AT!
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It has 3 stances, and 2 main animations - it stands on all fours, then stretches out its front legs and paws the ground a bit, it lies down, and it also sits down and scratches itself with one back leg.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
That is very awesome. I can see it now, Beast Summoning MMs.
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Even if it's not a genuine 4-legged rig, it still opens up a few new things, like cosmetic cats and dogs scattered around the city, or even a Paragon City zoo.
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The problem has never been making four legged critters, the problem was solving the compatibility problem with four legged critters and a mass of animation sequences that rely on a specific rig to make work. In fact, some two legged critters still don't have the same animation rig as players do and those things can't share animations with players either. There's like a couple hundred different entities with different animations specific to them, and most of them are special case critters with just a few animations designed for them, because those things do not have to be able to execute all the animations for every single power and emote. But player rigs do, and more to the point when you make a rig play an animation designed for something else, *something* happens but generally not what you think.
The problem isn't making a four legged dog: the devs clearly can do that. Its probably not that much different than making these in theory:
As long as it only does an extremely limited set of things, those things can be specially created by the animators. The problem is figuring out what's supposed to happen when a four legged dog tries to perform an Eagle's Claw, or eat a doughnut, or draw a set of dual blades, or juggle.
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Then just have it do that limited set of things. They've already got wolf/dog specific emotes/stances in-game (the standing/lying down/sitting/etc.) for these models. If you have to have an attack, just make a lunging bite animation.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
As long as it only does an extremely limited set of things, those things can be specially created by the animators. The problem is figuring out what's supposed to happen when a four legged dog tries to perform an Eagle's Claw, or eat a doughnut, or draw a set of dual blades, or juggle.
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But you could keep things simple by not even bothering with attack animations, and making a 'Wolf Travel Power' that functions like Hover Board. You don't get to attack, your run-speed is greatly increased (jumping height/speed slightly less so), and (possibly) you gain access to a few select emotes that are only usable with that power active. All they'd need to make is a movement animation and a jump animation.
I know a lot of folks who'd buy that even if it was just a travel power, and I'm one of them.
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Well the Kheldian squid-form already has like, no emotes or animations aside from swim-flying and attacking, and as far as I know, people still play them. Why would this be different?|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The problem has never been making four legged critters, the problem was solving the compatibility problem with four legged critters and a mass of animation sequences that rely on a specific rig to make work. In fact, some two legged critters still don't have the same animation rig as players do and those things can't share animations with players either. There's like a couple hundred different entities with different animations specific to them, and most of them are special case critters with just a few animations designed for them, because those things do not have to be able to execute all the animations for every single power and emote. But player rigs do, and more to the point when you make a rig play an animation designed for something else, *something* happens but generally not what you think.
The problem isn't making a four legged dog: the devs clearly can do that. Its probably not that much different than making these in theory: As long as it only does an extremely limited set of things, those things can be specially created by the animators. The problem is figuring out what's supposed to happen when a four legged dog tries to perform an Eagle's Claw, or eat a doughnut, or draw a set of dual blades, or juggle. |
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Or better yet, they do hover-wolves and then they don't need to make any more animations. Zooming around Atlas on my wolf. Yeah.|
Originally Posted by El__D
But you could keep things simple by not even bothering with attack animations, and making a 'Wolf Travel Power' that functions like Hover Board. You don't get to attack, your run-speed is greatly increased (jumping height/speed slightly less so), and (possibly) you gain access to a few select emotes that are only usable with that power active. All they'd need to make is a movement animation and a jump animation.
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But really, this just goes back to mounts. I want this:
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Ah, but kheldians can't use eagle claw, either in squid or human form.|
Originally Posted by Feycat
Well the Kheldian squid-form already has like, no emotes or animations aside from swim-flying and attacking, and as far as I know, people still play them. Why would this be different?
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That's the trick right there.
Acarna's talking about people who want the quadrupedal look as a player model like Male/female/huge.
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I suppose I should clarify a bit. I didn't mean for the character to be mounted on a wolf, just that the power would function like Hover Board.
As far as the actual in-game effects go, the character would just change into the wolf model (possibly with some sort of transforming animation, or just a quick burst of light ala when you become a Rikti Monkey with Secondary Mutation). Transforming into a wolf would work for a lot of various concepts: lycanthropes, alien shape shifters, spellcasters, mutants, lupine-serum inventing scientists, etc. You can work it in to any of the origins we have in-game.
Riding the wolf...That wouldn't fit in the game world nearly as well, imo. The closest thing to a 'mount' travel power I could see easily working is various vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.). It's too fantasy-ish (yes, I know that isn't really a word) to mesh without feeling clunky and besides, there are other games that let you do that already.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It has 3 stances, and 2 main animations - it stands on all fours, then stretches out its front legs and paw the ground a bit, it lies down, and it also sits down and scratches itself with one back leg.
Even if it's not a genuine 4-legged rig, it still opens up a few new things, like cosmetic cats and dogs scattered around the city, or even a Paragon City zoo. |
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The power info says:|
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I believe it was Zombie Man who pointed out on VirtueUnited that [Wolf Pet] is a valid Power Link.
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"You can use this power to call a wolf companion to accompany you. It cannot be damaged and will not engage in combat."
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An animal companion, eh? Cool.
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Or better yet, they do hover-wolves and then they don't need to make any more animations. Zooming around Atlas on my wolf. Yeah.
But really, this just goes back to mounts. I want this: . |
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Genuine 4-legged rigs, or just static decoration?
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