Doctor Who: The Wedding of River Song 1/10 (10/1)


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I'm happy he didn't reuse the "this is all a dream" ending that he used the last time as it seemed they were going once they brought amy on the scene


 

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I take no credit for this thought, but it was pointed out to me why is it when the robot doctor is shot he tries to regenerate before he is shot again?

The Doctor had to convince everyone that he was dead. Both versions of River Song know that Time Lords regenerate. Once he was shot, if a regeneration didn't start, she would have known that something was wrong.


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42!
Nope, doesn't work here either.

It was a good episode, nay, in most regards, it was a great episode, but still a little bit of a disappointment for a finale that's basically going to leave us hanging for two more years.


 

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Having seen the episode last night, I will purchase it on iTunes.
-Eye Patch Lady, ok we know why she wears the eye patch, but where still no clue as to who she really is, her working with the Silence, reminds a lot of how the Master would work with whatever alien race, rather than being a random human flunky, and it seems her opposition to the Doctor seems a bit personal.

-It was a nice bow to the Brigadier, I do think that is one thing missing from this series, is a Brigadier type figure.

-Rory is awesome (and for that point, so is River and Amy)

-I do wonder now if River might have a life beyond the Library

-Also, going back to the Doctor lies, I'm also thinking she didn't burn up all of the rest of her regenerations healing the Doctor( one maybe, but all 10 or so regens she had remaining, and thats assuming she had the 12 regen limit).

-I admit, I was thinking rather than getting past dying the way he did, I was thinking it would have been a doppleganger instead but this way works

Also it seems to me hints are, they'll get back to the Other aspects the Cartmel Masterplan( I hope)


 

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My guess on the true identity of eye patch lady in no order:
-The older Amy from the Girl Who Waited.
-the Rani
-Romana


 

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-Also, going back to the Doctor lies, I'm also thinking she didn't burn up all of the rest of her regenerations healing the Doctor( one maybe, but all 10 or so regens she had remaining, and thats assuming she had the 12 regen limit).
To be fair, it doesn't really matter, because we know her ultimate fate. She could have more, but the body she's in now is the body she ends up in for good.


 

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My guess on the true identity of eye patch lady in no order:
-The older Amy from the Girl Who Waited.
Except she looks nothing like Amy, and also didn't say anything when she could have when Amy went to kill her.

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-the Rani
While I think she could have been the most likely candidate to be the Rani, at this point she doesn't really fit her MO. Plus, I think the Doctor would have recognised her.

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-Romana
Um... no.

I think we've been thinking too hard about this, I think she is just who she is, Madame Kovarian.


 

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I quite liked the episode. It had enough stuff which was just plain cool to keep my interest, and enough moments of awesome to feel quite entertained.

Maybe the script could have been tightened up, a few inconsistencies cleaned up. But still, overall, I'm happy.

Wonder if one of the primary drivers of the next season will be the universe reacting to the Doctor faking his death. How many old enemies will make a move thinking there is no Doctor to stop them? Will others try to take up The Doctor's mantle as the universe's protector, with possibly bad results? Would be a great excuse for The Rani to pop up out of an extra-dimensional hidey-hole, thinking all the other Time Lords are gone.

So, it appears The Silence didn't want to destroy the multiverse, they just didn't realize how bad blowing up the TARDIS would be under those circumstances.

If the other timeline no longer exists, then Madame Kevorian might still show up again. Since she was at the "eye of the storm" of the temporal reset, will she remember Amy killing her?

The question is "Who?". But if it's the oldest question.... then is that only part of the question? Perhaps the full question is "Who created the universe?" or similar. Would explain why a religious order needs to keep the Doctor from revealing things.

This episode did remind me of the Seventh Doctor a bit, in that The Doctor had a master plan all along and was a few steps ahead of his enemies, but he still had to improvise frantically to deal with unanticipated complications.


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I'm thinking the question is actually:

"Doctor Who?" Which implies both that no one really knows the Doctor, and that the Doctor changes every once in awhile.


 

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I'm thinking the question is actually:

"Doctor Who?" Which implies both that no one really knows the Doctor, and that the Doctor changes every once in awhile.
While that might be the "oldest question" in the TV series, I'm not sure it qualifies as the oldest question in-universe.

I'm thinking Moffat is playing one of his clever word games, and adding a fourth wall breaking meaning. We can hear the question as "Doctor Who?" (as in "What name comes after Doctor?") but in-universe, it could be "Doctor, who?" (asking the question "Who?" of The Doctor.)

Which would be even more clever if the answer to both the in-universe and fourth-wall-breaking versions of the question are the same...


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As usual, I thought it was excellent.

As for the first question, I think we're going to see a whole new bad guy, or possibly a big name returning one, someone who was there right at the beginning of the Universe who the Doctor has gone to stop. He introduces himself as the Doctor, the bad guy says....."Doctor Who?" thus creating the first question?

Or is that too obvious?


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Horrible, horrible.

Well...The episode was alright, although the whole "time is happening all at once" representation was a bit ridiculous. Especially seeing as time was continuing, yet happening all at once.

The horrible part was the question. As soon as they remotely associated The Doctor with "The Question" I was like *facepalm*. This is going to make me massively cringe.

And it did. But I suppose it was inevitable. They still didn't have to make him ******* look into the camera though; yes, we get it, you're punching the 4th wall, bravo.



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While that might be the "oldest question" in the TV series, I'm not sure it qualifies as the oldest question in-universe.
I suppose that depends. They might go down the route of some of the novels and make the Doctor like The Other, making him one of the first Time Lords along with Rassilon and Omega. That would make it a very old question.

Or you could just make the argument that since he can travel right back to the start of the universe and introduce himself to someone it could make it the oldest question in a wibbly wobbly kind of way.


 

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I suppose that depends. They might go down the route of some of the novels and make the Doctor like The Other, making him one of the first Time Lords along with Rassilon and Omega. That would make it a very old question.
I'm sure this is leading to Moffat's interpretation of the Cartmel Masterplan.


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I suppose that depends. They might go down the route of some of the novels and make the Doctor like The Other, making him one of the first Time Lords along with Rassilon and Omega. That would make it a very old question.

Or you could just make the argument that since he can travel right back to the start of the universe and introduce himself to someone it could make it the oldest question in a wibbly wobbly kind of way.
Isn't this universe the one he rebooted? Wouldn't he essentially be "God" in such a case? Meaning, what is God's name.



 

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Another still-hanging thread: Who was building the TARDIS in Craig's old house? Seems like if it had been The Silence that thread would have been resolved by now.


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Wait a sec...

What did the Doctor tell River? We've been lead to believe it was his name, but she says it isn't, but the only thing that makes sense with their reactions and such was that he said something about how he beat the time problem... but then what identified River as doctors wife if that's what he did say...

Also doesn't that mean that River told the Doctor how to escape his death?

Also also... we never get to see the Doctor's greatest fear... wonder what it was...

Also also also... why did the doctor say he was 200 years older when it wasn't the doctor at all?


 

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Also also also... why did the doctor say he was 200 years older when it wasn't the doctor at all?
The Doctor was inside controlling the droid, so it was still the Doctor saying it, just by proxy. So...

1. He actually is 200 years older, which may have happened in between episodes at a few different points during the past half-season

or 2. The Doctor lies.

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What did the Doctor tell River? We've been lead to believe it was his name, but she says it isn't, but the only thing that makes sense with their reactions and such was that he said something about how he beat the time problem... but then what identified River as doctors wife if that's what he did say...
Wasn't it "look into my eye"? She saw the real Doctor inside and realized how he was planning to escape his certain death.


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Another still-hanging thread: Who was building the TARDIS in Craig's old house? Seems like if it had been The Silence that thread would have been resolved by now.
It was resolved...sorta. The ship in Craig's house was the same as the one the Silence were using in Day of the Moon. Then the Silence ordered themselves to their deaths, and 40 years later...no more Silence in Craig's house.

The Doctor even mentioned it when he steps out of the TARDIS to save Amy. "I've seen one of these before...abandoned. I wonder how that happened?"


 

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Another still-hanging thread: Who was building the TARDIS in Craig's old house? Seems like if it had been The Silence that thread would have been resolved by now.
Well the design of the wannabe Tardis was the same as the room that the Silence used when they held Amy at the beginning of the season.


 

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The Doctor was inside controlling the droid, so it was still the Doctor saying it, just by proxy. So...

1. He actually is 200 years older, which may have happened in between episodes at a few different points during the past half-season

or 2. The Doctor lies.
The Doctor also said that he was the only one aging in the time distortion thingy because he was the focal point at the center, and we have no idea how long that temporal moment existed.


 

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Well the design of the wannabe Tardis was the same as the room that the Silence used when they held Amy at the beginning of the season.
Completely forgot about that, probably because the first half of the season was completely forgettable for me.


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What did the Doctor tell River?
"Look in to my eye."
*Doctor does a dance in the eye of the Teselecta*

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Also doesn't that mean that River told the Doctor how to escape his death?
No, the Doctor never technically needed to escape his death, the fixed point in time is and always was fooling everyone into thinking he was dead.

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Also also also... why did the doctor say he was 200 years older when it wasn't the doctor at all?
He was the Doctor. The Doctor in a Doctor suit. The Teselecta isn't an automation, it's controlled from the "bridge". The Doctor was controlling it the whole time, as himself.


 

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I suppose that depends. They might go down the route of some of the novels and make the Doctor like The Other, making him one of the first Time Lords along with Rassilon and Omega. That would make it a very old question.
Pretty much exactly where I thought they might be going with it too.

What still eludes me is why the whole of time and space stopped for the Doctor's death?


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What still eludes me is why the whole of time and space stopped for the Doctor's death?
As I understand it, the Doctor's "death" absolutely had to happen. By breaking that "fixed point", it broke the rest of the universe.