Doctor Who: The Wedding of River Song 1/10 (10/1)


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To be fair, it doesn't really matter, because we know her ultimate fate. She could have more, but the body she's in now is the body she ends up in for good.
Thats assuming of course the Library is her ultimate fate ;-)


 

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What still eludes me is why the whole of time and space stopped for the Doctor's death?
The Silence had managed to make the Doctor's death a fixed point in time.
Fixed points cannot be altered under any circumstances, they are events that MUST happen.
River attempted to rewrite a fixed point, which caused time to start "dying".


 

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Well the design of the wannabe Tardis was the same as the room that the Silence used when they held Amy at the beginning of the season.
Thats another mystery that hasn't been answered just yet, I do suspect it was the wannabe TARDIS that the eye patch lady used


 

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Except she looks nothing like Amy, and also didn't say anything when she could have when Amy went to kill her.

While I think she could have been the most likely candidate to be the Rani, at this point she doesn't really fit her MO. Plus, I think the Doctor would have recognised her.

Um... no.

I think we've been thinking too hard about this, I think she is just who she is, Madame Kovarian.
The reason why I included older Amy, we have diffinite motivation. I'm still not 100% convinced that River is a TL, b/c she was conceived in the TARDIS for a number of reasons. Here's my thought,
-At some point during the Time War it might've occured to some Time Lords there was a possibility they might be defeated( which is why I think the Master wasn't the only hiding under a rock), and might've thought it prudent to something like the episode earlier season. That is hide one or more of their young among species likely to make it through the Time War.
When the Doctor was Regenerating, he was drawn to Amy in part to the fact she was Gallifreyan.And lets face it, older Amy looked pretty good for someone who was pushing 60.


 

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The oldest question was pretty much stated, but comes down to "Who Am I?" to anyone who has ever taken Philosophy 101.


 

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"Look in to my eye."
*Doctor does a dance in the eye of the Teselecta*
So what did River tell the Doctor in her first appearance?


 

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So what did River tell the Doctor in her first appearance?
At some point he tells her his name, just not during The Wedding of River Song.


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At some point he tells her his name, just not during The Wedding of River Song.
Yeah there are a lot of things about River that still have to come into fruition, like learning the Doctor's Name, how to drive the Tardis better than the Doctor, and how to read and write Gallifreyan. The latter could explain the first since the Doctor's name happens to be written on his/her own crib.


 

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Well they sort of handled the driving of the TARDIS in "Let's Kill Hitler", simply the TARDIS "showed" her and called her "the child of the TARDIS". The TARDIS may simply imbued her with that knowledge or just possibly chooses to behave when River at the controls.


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Yeah there are a lot of things about River that still have to come into fruition, like learning the Doctor's Name, how to drive the Tardis better than the Doctor, and how to read and write Gallifreyan.
True, but I doubt we'll actually see much of it onscreen. From now on, whenever there's a gap where the Doctor is traveling without a companion, we can assume that he sneaks off to Stormgate Prison, picks up River, and runs around with her for a while before dropping her back off.


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Also also... we never get to see the Doctor's greatest fear... wonder what it was...
His honeymoon, if you know what I mean.

That's why his reaction is more sheepish than horrified and why he hangs a "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door. Why else do you hang a DND sign except for sleeping, which probably isn't his greatest fear.


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His honeymoon, if you know what I mean.

That's why his reaction is more sheepish than horrified and why he hangs a "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door. Why else do you hang a DND sign except for sleeping, which probably isn't his greatest fear.
Or, he may have simply wanted to mark the door so he'd remember not to go in there, but didn't want the others to know he found his room. Cuz you know darn well Amy wouldn't have been able to resist looking in to see what it was the Doctor feared if she knew what room was his.


 

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Also also... we never get to see the Doctor's greatest fear... wonder what it was...
Well you can here the Cloister Bell ringing when he opened it which rings when it and its inhabitants are in perislous danger or if Adric rings it. So his greatest fear must be something happening to the Tardis...or that Zombie Adric has risen.


 

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or that Zombie Adric has risen.
Now I'm going to have nightmares


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I missed *one* episode this season (I think it was 'Let's Kill Hitler') and because of that, almost none of the finale made sense to me. Who was the blue severed head? Where did the Doctor get a shapeshifting robot? Why do the Silence want the Doctor dead so badly?

Sigh. I'll catch up eventually, really I will.


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I missed *one* episode this season (I think it was 'Let's Kill Hitler') and because of that, almost none of the finale made sense to me. Who was the blue severed head? Where did the Doctor get a shapeshifting robot? Why do the Silence want the Doctor dead so badly?

Sigh. I'll catch up eventually, really I will.
Yes most of the info you want is in that episode. The head was actually a guy from the episode when the Doctor saves real Amy by turning in old debts. The shapeshifting robot is from LKH and it is a vessel piloted by a group of mini people who take it upon themselves to go back in time and kill people that history never punished (hence why they were around in LKH). The Silence want him dead because he knows the answer to the first question, and if he ever speaks the answer omfg we are all doomed or some such dangerous situation etc arises. To save the universe from the answer, they want to kill the Doctor. That info was in this episode and spelled out, so I dont know how you missed that one.


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I missed *one* episode this season (I think it was 'Let's Kill Hitler') and because of that, almost none of the finale made sense to me. Who was the blue severed head?
He was from finale in the first half of the season, A Good Man Goes to War. One of the guys the Doctor recruited to rescue Amy.

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Where did the Doctor get a shapeshifting robot?
That one was in Let's Kill Hitler, yeah.

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Why do the Silence want the Doctor dead so badly?
As much as we know is basically as it was stated in this episode. The Doctor is going to be compelled to answer a question frankly and honestly, and that answer must remain hidden from the rest of the universe. So they're trying to kill him before that happens.


 

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The Silence want him dead because he knows the answer to the first question, and if he ever speaks the answer omfg we are all doomed or some such dangerous situation etc arises. To save the universe from the answer, they want to kill the Doctor. That info was in this episode and spelled out, so I dont know how you missed that one.
No, no, I caught that they didn't want him to answer the question. It was just so stupid an excuse for going after a Time Lord that I thought there must be an additional reason that I missed.

I mean, the Doctor has committed genocide more times than I can count, he's tied people up with chains made of dwarf star matter, he's locked people inside of mirrors and cast them into literal hell. You don't tangle with a guy like that without VERY GOOD REASONS. His name doesn't seem to be much of an excuse.

I'm still waiting for the episode where the bad guy says, "Wait, did you say you were the Doctor? Oh. I surrender, then. You win. Please don't hurt me."


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I'm still waiting for the episode where the bad guy says, "Wait, did you say you were the Doctor? Oh. I surrender, then. You win. Please don't hurt me."
That pretty much happened with the first episode with Amy when the guardians of Prisoner Zero showed up and were about to raze the planet to get him and The Doctor gets their attention and basically says, "I'm The Doctor, search your records for what that means, oh, and by the way... run." And they did.


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That pretty much happened with the first episode with Amy when the guardians of Prisoner Zero showed up and were about to raze the planet to get him and The Doctor gets their attention and basically says, "I'm The Doctor, search your records for what that means, oh, and by the way... run." And they did.
Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically... run.


Goodbye, I guess.

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That pretty much happened with the first episode with Amy when the guardians of Prisoner Zero showed up and were about to raze the planet to get him and The Doctor gets their attention and basically says, "I'm The Doctor, search your records for what that means, oh, and by the way... run." And they did.
Also in Silence in the Library where the Doctor warned the shadow-critters to "Look me up" and they retreated.


 

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Because the fixed point wasn't to be the Doctor dying but really was the robot getting shot to look like the Doctor was killed.
And the Doctor could continue to operate normally, I suppose. At this point, the entire universe "knows" that the Doctor died on April 22, 2011, at the age of 1100. So the Doctor, age 1101, can pop out of the TARDIS anywhere he likes so long as he *claims* to be younger than that. Rule 1: The Doctor lies.
The Silence will even be satisfied. They'll see this 'younger' Doctor running about and know that he's going to be shot by River without ever getting the chance to answer The Question. He just has to be really sure that Amy, Rory, and River don't talk about it. Or any of the crew of the Tesselecta, I suppose.

Of course, that more or less falls apart when he regenerates out of Matt Smith.


 

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Of course, that more or less falls apart when he regenerates out of Matt Smith.
Well, only from our perspective. Since the Doctor's a time traveler and stuff anyway, the rest of the universe sees him with all sorts of different faces at all sorts of different times. There's really not much "outside" way to tell which Doctor came when.


 

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Well, only from our perspective. Since the Doctor's a time traveler and stuff anyway, the rest of the universe sees him with all sorts of different faces at all sorts of different times. There's really not much "outside" way to tell which Doctor came when.
Hurm. Other plot problems: If his death is a "Fixed point", that means nothing *else* can kill him without destroying the universe, and the whole universe knows that. Including his enemies. Except that the Doctor himself knows that he can die.

A lot of this seems to be Moffat's way to undo some of the lore that RTD had added to the Whoverse. So I wonder how Moffat's successor will try to undo *this*.


 

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Well, only from our perspective. Since the Doctor's a time traveler and stuff anyway, the rest of the universe sees him with all sorts of different faces at all sorts of different times. There's really not much "outside" way to tell which Doctor came when.
Yep pretty much all a future Doctor has to do to keep the secret that he didn't actually die is say, "What? I'm going to look like that! some day?" and everyone will assume that he's simply an earlier regeneration they hadn't encountered yet.